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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 05:02 PM Sep 2016

Yes He Can: Obama Absolutely Has The Authority To Release Donald Trump’s Tax Returns

http://reverbpress.com/politics/obama-order-trump-tax-returns-released/

Transparency has become the word of the week in the 2016 presidential campaign in light of Hillary Clinton’s bout with pneumonia. After the Democratic nominee fainted leaving a 9/11 memorial service, pundits and opportunistic opponents alike questioned why she didn’t announce her diagnosis earlier and called for the release of her medical records. Clinton quickly obliged. But transparency on the other side of the aisle has not been so easy. Fifteen months after he began his campaign and less than two months before Americans go to the polls, Donald Trump is still yet to release any of his tax returns. Despite calls from both Democrats and past Republican nominees, Trump remains defiant to a long-standing bi-partisan tradition. But there’s one person who could render this whole debate moot. One man has the sole authority to order any of Trump’s tax returns be publicly released: President Barack Obama....

The power of incumbency has a longstanding tradition in electoral politics. Historically, it’s why the party in power holds the second convention. More recently, it allowed George W Bush to tinker with the Terror Alert System during the 2004 campaign. It gave Obama the opportunity to reaffirm leadership during Superstorm Sandy in the final days before the 2012 election. But a sitting President ordering that the IRS to release the tax returns of the opposition party’s nominee would bring that power to a new, and possibly uncomfortable, level. Furthermore, it would feed the GOP narrative that Obama is a president reliant solely on executive power. And though it’s hard to imagine when you look at the changing demographics of America, there could be a day when Republicans control the White House again. This precedent could easily backfire.

Yet this legislative branch has had an opportunity to decided whether or not to compel all nominees to release their returns. Ron Wyden (D-OR) introduced a bill in May that would do just that. And like almost every other bill or nomination to come before this particular Senate, they did absolutely nothing. So in a sense, if Obama did release Trump’s returns, it would follow the trend of acting with executive authority only on matters where congress has failed to act at all.

Perhaps the mere knowledge that the President can order this information made public will be enough to amplify the pressure on Trump, or more importantly, force undecided voters to seriously consider what the alleged billionaire is hiding in his refusal. Either way, it’s one heck of a “trump card” in the President’s deck.


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Yes He Can: Obama Absolutely Has The Authority To Release Donald Trump’s Tax Returns (Original Post) KamaAina Sep 2016 OP
DO IT !!! misterhighwasted Sep 2016 #1
OH MY GOD! Glamrock Sep 2016 #2
Me too ..... and I'm a female !! alittlelark Sep 2016 #20
I just sprayed Mountain Dew on the dashboard, my shirt, my pants.... Glamrock Sep 2016 #34
Remind yourself in four hours to call your doctor. AngryAmish Sep 2016 #27
Shit, Glamrock Sep 2016 #35
As great as that would be - for this instance, it sets a bad precedence - IMHO...nt jonno99 Sep 2016 #3
The real precedent is not revealing your financials. Old and In the Way Sep 2016 #32
I don't want to get too excited unless we can verify beyond any doubt. anamandujano Sep 2016 #4
Pres Obama is an honorable man jehop61 Sep 2016 #5
Absolutely Separation Sep 2016 #8
He will never take the easy road unless it's also the right road. randome Sep 2016 #16
What kind of precedent? kentuck Sep 2016 #17
I agree. It would also be stupid strategically. democrattotheend Sep 2016 #22
I'm worried it could backfire against HRC. Ilsa Sep 2016 #6
I don't think this is a good idea as it will only strengthen the resolve of RWers. LonePirate Sep 2016 #7
What the hell do you have to lose? safeinOhio Sep 2016 #9
Possibly, but only if he wants to put him in the White House. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2016 #10
Agreed democrattotheend Sep 2016 #23
Section 6103g of the Internal Revenue Code authorizes release of returns to the President. rug Sep 2016 #11
That's what I see, too, looking at the statutory excerpt pinboy3niner Sep 2016 #12
I think it's there to give the President rapid access in national security concerns. rug Sep 2016 #13
A short orange finger on the red button is not a national security concern? KamaAina Sep 2016 #24
For many, the failure of Congress to do something means that the President has the authority. Igel Sep 2016 #19
Could the press then file a FOIA request? KamaAina Sep 2016 #25
I doubt it. The IRS puts a high priority on confidentiality. rug Sep 2016 #26
But once Obama requested them, they would be White House records. KamaAina Sep 2016 #36
And the last effing thing we need is a court case and a legal shaming of the Democratic Yo_Mama Sep 2016 #29
What a horribly bad idea onenote Sep 2016 #14
He should make him think he is going to do it... kentuck Sep 2016 #15
If he did the headlines would be more about the President "abusing" his power than what was in them Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #18
Bad idea democrattotheend Sep 2016 #21
He has no legal authority to do it - all of this is covered by statute. Yo_Mama Sep 2016 #28
You are correct Crabby Appleton Sep 2016 #33
It can generally only be disclosed to officials and law enforcement Yo_Mama Sep 2016 #38
How about instead... vi5 Sep 2016 #30
Horrible idea. EL34x4 Sep 2016 #31
I'd settle for info on whether or not he's being audited. GreatCaesarsGhost Sep 2016 #37

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
1. DO IT !!!
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 05:05 PM
Sep 2016
One man has the sole authority to order any of Trump’s tax returns be publicly released: President Barack Obama.

DO IT!!!

Glamrock

(11,787 posts)
34. I just sprayed Mountain Dew on the dashboard, my shirt, my pants....
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 09:49 PM
Sep 2016

The laughter was worth it tho, thanks!

Glamrock

(11,787 posts)
35. Shit,
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 09:51 PM
Sep 2016

I just officially became middle aged. I'm thinking about having it bronzed while it still works!

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
32. The real precedent is not revealing your financials.
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 08:38 PM
Sep 2016

If we don't know every thing about a candidate's health - financially and physiologically, then we need a President to do it. We can't allow for Trump to create a precedent where voters can't evaluate a candidate"s fitness to hold office.


anamandujano

(7,004 posts)
4. I don't want to get too excited unless we can verify beyond any doubt.
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 05:14 PM
Sep 2016

I want to post it somewhere but have to wait until it's verified.

jehop61

(1,735 posts)
5. Pres Obama is an honorable man
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 05:19 PM
Sep 2016

and he would not set such an awful precedent. He is a student of history and acts according to our Constitution. No way.

Separation

(1,975 posts)
8. Absolutely
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 05:28 PM
Sep 2016

This would set a horrible president and I can only see horrible things coming from this. Everyone getting a "chubby" from this, well go ahead. But it would be like waking up the next morning only to find out you have a STD.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
16. He will never take the easy road unless it's also the right road.
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 06:01 PM
Sep 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]A 90% chance of rain means the same as a 10% chance:
It might rain and it might not.
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kentuck

(111,051 posts)
17. What kind of precedent?
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 06:02 PM
Sep 2016

Donald Trump is the one setting the precedent.

Every President for the last 50 years has released their tax forms. Trump wants to set a precedent of not releasing his tax forms.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
22. I agree. It would also be stupid strategically.
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 07:23 PM
Sep 2016

It would shift the story to whether he was playing politics with the release rather than the contents of the returns. It would turn Trump into a victim. Terrible idea.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
6. I'm worried it could backfire against HRC.
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 05:20 PM
Sep 2016

Look, it's private information that she would be perceived to benefit from. People are worried enough about privacy as it is. This could be dangerous, as much as we'd like to see the filings.

LonePirate

(13,407 posts)
7. I don't think this is a good idea as it will only strengthen the resolve of RWers.
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 05:21 PM
Sep 2016

This would be Exhibit A in their case of big government wielding its powers against American citizens.

The most likely scenario to see his tax returns involves a disgruntled but patriotic IRS employee leaking them even at the risk of termination, prison time and lawsuits.

safeinOhio

(32,632 posts)
9. What the hell do you have to lose?
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 05:31 PM
Sep 2016

Think of all the crap they have said you are going to do and never did. FEMA camps, take away grand pa's shot gun, instal marshal law, the list is to long. Alex Jones didn't even call this one. October surprise!

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
10. Possibly, but only if he wants to put him in the White House.
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 05:34 PM
Sep 2016

Can you imagine the (mostly justified) outrage it would cause?

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
23. Agreed
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 07:24 PM
Sep 2016

Bad, bad idea on so many levels.

It might even help Trump so much that it would get the media speculating on whether he actually wanted to tank Hillary because despite their public lovefest they secretly still hate each other.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
11. Section 6103g of the Internal Revenue Code authorizes release of returns to the President.
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 05:38 PM
Sep 2016

It does not authorize the President to in turn release the confidential information to the press.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
12. That's what I see, too, looking at the statutory excerpt
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 05:43 PM
Sep 2016

The quoted provisions do not include the authority to make the records public. And how would that square with other privacy laws and the constitutional right to equal protection under the law?

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
13. I think it's there to give the President rapid access in national security concerns.
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 05:47 PM
Sep 2016

If he did make the request, he'd have to give a reason. "Because trump sucks", while true, is not a valid reason.

Igel

(35,270 posts)
19. For many, the failure of Congress to do something means that the President has the authority.
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 07:11 PM
Sep 2016

I'd imagine that if Congress fails to raise taxes to 80%, the tsar' could. If Congress fails to declare war or ethnically cleanse Arizona, the tsar' could.

Tsar' nash batyushka.

Zhivi i zdravstvui,
Tsar' nash batyuska!
Raduisya, veselisya, liud,
Zdravomyshliaiushchii liud!

Uzh kaka na nebe soltse,
Slava! Slava!

(Yeah, it's Boris Godunov. Yet some attitudes towards authority never change. They love authority as long as it oppresses those who they dislike.)

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
29. And the last effing thing we need is a court case and a legal shaming of the Democratic
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 08:09 PM
Sep 2016

party over this.

onenote

(42,531 posts)
14. What a horribly bad idea
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 05:54 PM
Sep 2016

Even assuming it could be done legally, which is extremely doubtful (the President isn't a dictator who get to do whatever he or she wants -- that's the whole argument against Trump's view of the office), the backlash would be extraordinary if the President just demanded to see the returns, let alone release them to the public.

It isn't a trump card. It's a non-starter.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
18. If he did the headlines would be more about the President "abusing" his power than what was in them
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 06:51 PM
Sep 2016

It would probably be the best possible way for them to get out for the Trump campaign, because it would give a distraction away from whatever is in them, and would feed right into the RW talking points about the IRS being abused by Democrats against cons. Heck, this article itself will feed into that narrative.

Horrible idea when you look at it from a strategic point of view.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
21. Bad idea
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 07:22 PM
Sep 2016

If he does that the media will focus on whether he was "playing politics" by releasing them rather than on what is in them.

The media is starting to hit him harder for failing to disclose them. Unless and until he does, Hillary and her campaign should keep hitting him on it and talking about what he might be hiding. She can also do what lawyers are permitted to do in court and argue a negative inference from his failure to produce them, challenging him to prove that he paid his fair share of taxes and actually gave as much as he claimed to charity.

I would much rather have him never release them and have voters wonder what he is hiding than have the media spend days talking about whether it was appropriate for the president to release them.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
28. He has no legal authority to do it - all of this is covered by statute.
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 08:08 PM
Sep 2016

I don't know where someone got this idea, but tax information is generally, and strictly, confidential.

Crabby Appleton

(5,231 posts)
33. You are correct
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 08:52 PM
Sep 2016

At the very top of 26 USC 6103


(a) General rule
Returns and return information shall be confidential, and except as authorized by this title—
(1) no officer or employee of the United States,

...

shall disclose any return or return information obtained by him in any manner in connection with his service as such an officer or an employee or otherwise or under the provisions of this section. For purposes of this subsection, the term “officer or employee” includes a former officer or employee.


The President can obtain the info in a tax return but can't disclose it.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
38. It can generally only be disclosed to officials and law enforcement
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 10:38 AM
Sep 2016

With grounds, and certainly not to the public.

That is a crime under the statutes.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
30. How about instead...
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 08:21 PM
Sep 2016

..we get people with the HRC campaign out there on every news show, every day, hammering Trump on this?

How about we run ad after ad about how he won't release his tax returns and ask what he's hiding?

Why do we always go to the most convoluted and ill-informed ideas rather than doing what is easy, simple, and to the point? And more importantly.....what campaigns are SUPPOSED to be doing?

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
31. Horrible idea.
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 08:25 PM
Sep 2016

Truth is, the people who want to see Trump's tax returns the most have no intentions of voting for him whether he releases them or not.

Trump's supporters don't care about his tax returns and many of them see Trump's refusal to release them as a middle finger to a bureaucracy they already loath.

There's nobody out there saying, "I'd like to vote for Trump if only he'd release his tax returns." Additionally, there's nobody saying, "I was going to vote for Trump until I saw his tax returns."

Democrats have nothing to gain if president Obama forced the release of Trump's tax returns. Sure, this might make people already in Hillary's camp happy but it won't earn her any new votes and it might very well backfire, hardening the reserve of her opposition.

GreatCaesarsGhost

(8,584 posts)
37. I'd settle for info on whether or not he's being audited.
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 11:03 PM
Sep 2016

If he's not being audited, that would reveal the big lie.

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