TV ad encourages German women to wear Hijabs

[philosslayer]

I think this is a great idea. The hijabs look beautiful, and are becoming a fashion statement. Great effort by the Germans to embrace tolerance.

[Mosby]

1. Maybe it's the Muslims who should be embracing tolerance

Especially for refugees in their HOST countries.

[rollin74]

2. +1000

[LanternWaste]

5. I don't think the one denies the other...

I don't think the one denies the other... despite an inherent bias which may tell us otherwise.

[romanic]

26. Damn straight.

[Duckhunter935]

60. Indeed so

[Rustyeye77]

68. + 1000

just f..king sickening.

[patsimp]

115. one would think

[get the red out]

120. Thank you

Brave statement! But a good one!

[Marr]

133. +1 I've never seen another immigrant population behave this way.

Muslim immigrants in Europe demand their hosts conform to their lifestyle, right down to demanding parallel laws in the form of Shariah. And the rape epidemics throughout Sweden and Germany are simply insane.

[RelativelyJones]

3. Are you serious, or putting us on?

[patsimp]

116. good question

[elehhhhna]

4. Hmmm. Next up;

I am also going to have my female genitals mutilated in solidarity. Can't wait looks so much cleaner and smoother.




No.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

6. How about women/people in general wear whatever the fuck they want and everyone

minds their goddamn business?

As to your comment, congratulations! It's really hard to tell whether it's trolling or cluelesness. .

[Kingofalldems]

7. Based on past OPs---I choose the first option.

[DLevine]

8. Yup. nt

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

9. Makes one wonder. I see ladies in hijabs almost daily on the El on my way to work. Good

for them if that's what they wanna wear. It can look real nice too. But if some motherfucker thinks that not wearing one somehow offends their little sensibilities. The can fuck off. I believe it's called "live and let live".

[patsimp]

117. how does covering human features and hiding identifies look good?

[JI7]

122. same way hats and sunglsses do

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

124. Do you know what a hijab is? nt

[Warren DeMontague]

118. Control Freaks gotta control freak.

[cwydro]

16. Me too.

Obvious.

[Starry Messenger]

59. This.

[smirkymonkey]

23. Thank YOU!

Enough of this crap!

[demmiblue]

98. "It's really hard to tell whether it's trolling or cluelesness."

I think we all know the answer to that.

The new jury system allows people like this to slide.

[closeupready]

10. In America, our ads go, "Put Christ back in Christmas!" Thus,

I'm not at all unaccustomed to "bizarre" religious propaganda, and/or exhortations inspired by religious texts.

[tenderfoot]

11. trolling bee ess from a racist youtube channel

Congratulations!

[RelativelyJones]

12. No, it's legit

Pro7 is a major German TV network, though I think this ad aired years ago. It is not a new ad.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

13. How about

yarmulkes for men as a fashion statement? Oh, and those adorable long curls.

Or the cute little bonnets Amish women wear?

So many possibilities.

[Coventina]

14. Corsets are beautiful! All women should wear them!!

[MADem]

18. Bingo.

Let's go to town--pointy Pope hats for everyone!!!

[smirkymonkey]

24. Brilliant idea!

They are so...regal looking.

[FrodosPet]

34. The bigger the hat, the closer to God

Surely she sits at The Lord's right hand.

[smirkymonkey]

43. Yes - The Miranda Act!

[Yo_Mama]

15. This is an anti-discrimination ad, not an "everyone must participate" ad. n/t

[MADem]

17. That is the stupidest commercial I've ever seen--it's a joke, really.

It appropriates a religiously-related article of clothing that is constructed to conceal the "crowning glory" (the hair) of a woman in order to preserve their "modesty" (whatever that means), turns it into an absurd and rather ugly fashion statement, and this silly fool is bleating about "tolerance" while wearing the item improperly!

It's as insulting and stupid as Cher wearing that Native American headdress. Why not wear that "hijab" with a bikini--LOL!


I put this in the Big Fail category, myself!

[LeftyMom]

19. That link was posted on the Daily Stormer yesterday and InfoWars and World Net Daily today.

Which one of those, pray tell, do you read and use as a source for DU posts?

[philosslayer]

20. Uhhh.... I use YouTube

Which is where I found it. It's a legitimate German commercial. What is your point exactly?

[LeftyMom]

22. You're really not convincing.

[rug]

28. Is UNESCO a right wing source?

[Raine]

21. WOW!

[smirkymonkey]

25. This is effing ridiculous!

Why should German women conform to other cultures, especially when those cultures show no respect for German cultural norms?

[MADem]

29. And stupider still is that the woman is treating the garment as a fashion statement

(displaying the hair when the object of the garment is to CONCEAL the hair) when in actual fact, the garment is supposed to be worn as an outward display of modesty and adherence to Quranic teachings about behavior in public.

The person who coughed up this advertisement did not do their homework at all.

[uppityperson]

83. Seriously. Her hair is loose, making it a headscarf, not a hijab

[romanic]

27. What a stupid commercial and complete propaganda.

German women don't have to conform to shit from some bullcrap religious belief.

[Codeine]

30. Endless apologia from you.

It's fucking tiring, and it's transparent as hell.

[philosslayer]

32. Apologia for what?

Tolerance?

[romanic]

33. You know good God damn well "what"!?

A lot of people are on to your MO.

[RelativelyJones]

45. +1000

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

135. For reasons unclear to me the cultural left has decided this is the hill they want to die on

possibly by beheading at the hands of the lunatics they think they have found a common cause with.

[Grey Lemercier]

40. I see what you did there............

[pnwmom]

31. You must be a guy. Why don't YOU wear an hijab? No one's stopping you.

It would look beautiful, and it would make quite a fashion statement.

[MADem]

36. My Stealthy Freedom, Phase 2, is that, exactly!

Of course, the goal is to point out that compulsory veiling is utter horseshit. And we probably should not forget that the 'compulsion' in countries without veiling laws can come from patriarchs who are assholes.

The Details:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/07/29/why-iranian-men-are-putting-on-the-veil/

A campaign encouraged by the site My Stealthy Freedom — a gathering point for images and comments about Iranian life away from the eyes of authorities — is urging Iranian men to don head scarves, known as hijab, or full Islamic coverings as a poke at the public dress codes for women.

The responses have included veiled men — complete with mustaches and stubble — and even a few who have put on a chador, a flowing full-body garment that reveals only the face.....

[pnwmom]

37. Right. When I see a woman in a store here in full face veil, accompanied by a man,

and he's doing all the talking, there's no way for me to know she wants to be dressed like that.

[GulfCoast66]

57. Her wanting to is not the issue

We all know she really has no choice. That is the issue. All this 'well, maybe she wants to wear it' drives me crazy. Of course she wants to wear it because the alternative is either getting the shit beat of her or her head looped off.

[get the red out]

121. That is the way I feel too

If someone a captive? Or do they have freedom of choice? We let a lot of women be basically held hostage due to men's religious privileges, and extremist Muslims would not make up much of a percentage of these. Our country really abandons human rights in the face of home grown cults.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

144. My Saudi neighbors sort of settle this issue for me

There is this old dude, he has to be eighty. He wears the traditional desert attire at all times and rides around on a motorized scooter.

When this guy is around, lets just call him Grandpa. The young women who live there dress extremely conservatively. They don't go for the full black abaya but something similar, shorter and in lighter colors. When Grandpa isn't around, well lets just say I have seen one of them stumbling drunk standing topless in the middle of the street. The young men who live in the house also dress very conservatively when grandpa is around.

I would bet the kids living in that house are about as good a muslim as I am, and I'm jewish. But when the scooter dude is around they fall into line.

Every Muslim I have ever known living in California and Alberta has basically told me the same thing, the entire family in a given area will basically just go along with whatever the most vocally conservative member of the family demands, just to keep the peace among themselves. That norm obviously doesn't put the women in the best position.

[Waldorf]

35. Seems to me the new immigrants need to embrace tolerance and the German culture.

If not they can always return to their former Countries.

[Warren DeMontague]

38. Why isnt this cultural appropriation?

I mean, if a meal hall at an Iowa college serves sushi, it's supposed to be cultural appropriaton. If a white kid at lollapalooza has dreads, it's cultural appropriation.

http://site.people.com/food/lena-dunham-oberlin-food-court-cultural-appropriation/

http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/07/white-people-black-hairstyles/

Why isnt this?

[Behind the Aegis]

41. BINGO!

[Warren DeMontague]

42. I'm apparently no longer allowed to wear Dashikis OR cargo shorts, albeit for different reasons.

Man, some days it just doesn't pay to get dressed at all.

[SMC22307]

103. Cargo shorts?! Whose culture is being appropriated...

the British military?

It's impossible to keep up...

On edit: Nevermind, I found the WSJ piece.

[Warren DeMontague]

105. No i guess cargo shorts are just the latest verboten item from the fashion police

Apparently we're not supposed to wear shorts at all, that's the feeling I'm getting.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cargo-short-debate-to-wear-or-not-to-wear-fashion-faux-pas/

[SMC22307]

107. Someone wrote a Ph.D. thesis on cargo pants...

and is now a professor at Drexel. That's the bigger story.

(This woman says wear them... they're comfy and utilitarian!)

[Dorian Gray]

48. Well

What oberline called a bahn mi is in no way a bahn mi. I don't know that I'd complain about cultural appropriation, but I would scream about false advertising. If you thought you were getting one thing and got a pulled pork sandwich? Yuck!


(The head scarf issue, though... yeah, I don't think the german ad nailed it. She's wearing the scarf more like a turban than what it is intended. It feels more like mockery.)

[Warren DeMontague]

49. I hear that. But calling bullshit on craptastic food, while a noble pursuit, is not the same thing

as calling it cultural appropriation.

Maybe bad cultural appropriation, like you're doing it badly. A well done bahn mi is great.

But when that discussion first happened, the way it was framed was pretty bad.

[riderinthestorm]

39. Are you Muslim? If so Sunni or Shia? TIA. nt

[smirkymonkey]

50. Not a very clever one either.

[Codeine]

58. I recall him speculating how wonderful

it will be when the great, neglected cathedrals of Europe become thriving, active mosques. He's a ridiculous cartoon.

[philosslayer]

62. I wasn't speculating " how wonderful it would be "

I was predicting what may eventually happen. And based on current trends, my prediction stands.

[Codeine]

65. Your post certainly reads like you're all a-quiver at the prospect;

Christianity will slowly fade and die (as its already a relic in much of Europe anyway), and Islam will grown exponentially as its already begun to do. The grand cathedrals of yesteryear will be reborn (and revitalized) as Mosques. The rich culture and heritage that the migrants are bringing will undoubtedly strengthen Germany. Hopefully, Germans can see past the current pain.

The Europe of 2066 will certainly be a place to behold!!

You're a cartoon. Luckily most people here recognize this.

[philosslayer]

72. You can fear the future

..... or you can embrace it. I choose to embrace it. Now, tell me what about that post you disagree with. Instead of throwing broad aspersions, why don't you engage in reasoned discussion.

[Codeine]

74. Europe will not allow itself to be Islamified.

Your silly trollish, transparent fantasies aside, there is zero chance that Europeans are going to allow their cathedrals to become mosques or let their secular freedoms be erased by Islamic social mores.

Nothing in Islam is going to "revitalize" European culture, certainly not before Muslims have figured out how to revitalize their own cultures.

[philosslayer]

76. This post is laughable in its naivety

How do you think native Europeans are going to prevent it exactly? Especially when their birth rates are stagnant, while the birth rates of recent immigrants are significantly higher. This is a demographic questions that will play out over the next decades.

[romanic]

80. " This post is laughable"

Like all 2600 of your posts (and counting). Keep on with your fantasies of an Islamfied Europe, it's very amusing at this point.

[philosslayer]

82. Again, nothing to refute my hypothesis

Just more attacks. If I'm wrong, tell me why.

[tritsofme]

119. A similar scenario is the premise of a best selling book in Europe, "Submission"

Basically in 2022, the major left/right parties in France ally with the Muslim Brotherhood to deny Le Pen's National Front the presidency. The rest of the book describes the creeping Islamization of French society and its impact.

The English translation is on my reading list, looks to be an interesting read. These sorts of anxieties are definitely on the minds of Europeans, so your outright dismissal seems odd.

I think that sort of timeline is unrealistic, but given demographic realities in Europe, it hardly seems unrealistic that politically Islamic parties with potentially illiberal values will start to appear in European parliaments over the next generation.

[EL34x4]

137. Thanks for this!

I think I'll add it to my reading lit as well.

https://www.amazon.com/Submission-Novel-Michel-Houellebecq/dp/0374271577/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1474205361&sr=1-1&keywords=submission+houellebecq

[randome]

46. No, it's fucked up.

The essence of culture in the West is to not hide or disguise yourself. It's become an intrinsic part of who we are. It's hard to balance openness and freedom with confining clothes promoted by men who want women to do what they say.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

[Ron Obvious]

47. I've often suspected you were a troll

This rather confirms it.

[NaturalHigh]

132. +1

[Demit]

51. I was on the jury for this post.

Since I don't follow individuals on DU very closely, I didn't have an opinion on whether the OP is a rightwing provocateur or a troll. I judged the German commercial & the OP's comment at face value. Yes, I could see that the model is not wearing a true hijab. I also could see that the intent of the commercial was to promote tolerance.

I have read in the past that many Muslim women LIKE wearing the head covering. Therefore I'm not going to be as loud as others in condemning it. I agree with whoever it was on this thread who said Live and let live.

I think the ad is a little stupid to call the hijab a fashion statement, but it is trying to normalize it, and in this climate of visceral hatred today I think that's a good thing.

I'm glad the post didn't get hidden.

[philosslayer]

52. Thank you

I'm surprised the post was alerted on. Does promoting tolerance offend some on DU? It's a bit bizarre.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

53. So how long before you declare that women who choose....

....not to follow the ad's advice are bigots?

[philosslayer]

61. It's called tolerance

Why is that so hard for you to understand? Women should feel free to wear them... or not.

[Odin2005]

139. Neocons did a good job infecting "New Atheism" with blatant Islamophobia...

...and convincing otherwise progressive people that Muslims are the enemy of Western Civilization. Se all the Islamophobic and pro-Imperialist BS spewed by Sam Harris.

[muriel_volestrangler]

85. Read the sub-thread from #65 onwards, just above this

Sadly, it would have been much better if philosslayer did have their OP hidden. They are a ridiculous "ooohhh, fertile Muslims are going to overrun the weak Europeans" fearmongerer. Nothing they post is worth reading or leaving on DU.

That's the problem with the new jury system - you can't show a jury past evidence of posting in bad faith. I can understand why you'd have voted to leave it, but philosslayer is gaming the system.

[philosslayer]

89. Fearmongering???

What fearmongering? I have postured that in 50 years, based on demographic trends, Muslims may be in the majority in some European countries. It's basic math. And I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing. Yet, for posting this opinion I face an onslaught of personal attacks. AND, no one provides evidence to refute what I have laid out!!! Surely you are better than that. Tell me where I'm wrong.

[muriel_volestrangler]

99. Yes, that fearmongering. It's not 'math', it's bullshit. You are wrong.

Muslim population in Europe to reach 10% by 2050, new forecast shows

Muslims will nearly double their numbers in Europe – to more than 10% – by 2050 and will outnumber Christians worldwide by 2070, according to a new forecast of the growth of religions around the world.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/02/muslim-population-growth-christians-religion-pew

The projections for 2050:

France Christians 29,900,000 Muslims 7,540,000 Unaffiliated 30,570,000 Total 69,300,000
Germany Christians 41,650,000 Muslims 7,000,000 Unaffiliated 20,910,000 Total 70,220,000

etc. No, they will be nowhere near a "majority' in any European country except Bosnia. It's not 'math', its far right bullshit you've read somewhere and decided to pass on, for the sake of fearmongering.

[philosslayer]

101. Finally....facts!!

Of course, this article is from April 2015, which is before the refugee crisis began. Last year more than 1 million refugees the vast majority of whom are Muslim fled to Germany alone. Therefore, those numbers are a bit suspect.

However I do appreciate that you are at least posting some facts, unlike other posters

And I have repeatedly stated they do I do not believe the rise of Islam in Europe is a bad thing, therefore it is not fear mongering

[muriel_volestrangler]

106. 1 million in a population of 80 million is not going to make it a 'majority'. Not even 15%

even with a generous assumption of growth. The only thing 'suspect' here is you.

So, we know you were lying, and you know you were lying too. Not surprising, when you post videos you said you found on a far right YouTube channel (though I suspect you found them on a far right website).

At times, you claim it's a good thing. That's the way you avoid getting hides. But the way you frequent far right websites and/or YouTube channels and repeat their lies gives you away.

[philosslayer]

108. What was I lying about?

I posted an opinion. Regardless, in 50 years we shall see.

[demmiblue]

102. Absolutely.

And good DUers are getting hides for saying things such as, "The alerting is getting out of hand."

I would not be surprised if your post is hidden. The new system is really off-putting.

[Demit]

113. Huh? There wasn't a way to show a jury past evidence of posting in bad faith.

There was the alerter's rationale for alerting, if that's what you mean. I like the new jury system. I think it's cleaner. I like not having to get embroiled in DU rivalries. Or having to go back and read threads for context or subtext—having to struggle with a lot of bullshit, frankly. I like being asked only to judge something at face value.

I hold no brief for the OP and whatever his/her agenda might be. I was asked to evaluate whether the post had broken a specific rule. Not to judge whether or not he/she was posting in bad faith or gaming the system.

This is a discussion board, muriel. If DUers feel another DUer has a ridiculous viewpoint, they are free to ridicule him or her for it in the discussion. I think that's as it should be.

[Marr]

134. You made the right call. Too many here hide posts based on

paranoid animosity, or for failing to conform to their personal orthodoxy.

[Chathamization]

54. That's a white nationalist youtube channel that's pro-Trump and bashes liberals, immigrants, Muslims

and Jewish people.

The video description includes this:

The entire network was bought by a Jewish billionaire, Haim Sabam, and subsequently every channel was infiltrated with a multicultural agenda. In some cases, the blatant propaganda of privately owned channels is even more ridiculous than State Television.

Some other videos on that channel:

' "Is this Africa?" - Japanese Girl goes on Paris vacation for her VLOG, can't believe her Eyes'

"Meanwhile in Germany Afro German playgroup celebrates cultural suicide of ethnic Germans"

"Rabbi justifies illegality of mixed race marriages in Israel mocks ancient Romans, Egyptians"

[Loki Liesmith]

55. Ugh

[GulfCoast66]

56. Maybe

In a show of tolerance to their new home, Muslim women should start donning bikinis. I am sure their tolerant husbands, fathers and brothers would be totally fine with it.

[Igel]

63. We must embrace and celebrate our culture.

By adopting another.

That's sort of saying, "Hey, theirs is better."

When one side is uncommitted and the other is very committed, the outcome is already decided. Assimilation is a foregone conclusion.

Rejection of assimilation and intentionally exacerbating differences usually leads to persecution. Jews, Xians, Yazidi, Sikhs. That's humans for you. They don't like being told, "Yewwww, I don't want to be like •you•!!"

[RelativelyJones]

64. Your MO is clear

This ad was made in 2011, long before the refugee crisis or the terrorist attacks in Europe. The video just turned up on a bunch of RW websites who promoted it as if it were new. Obviously you picked it up on one of these. You then bring it here and promote it with glowing approval. Why? Because you know this will circle back to alt-right sites who will push it as left wing decadence. You have played this game before.

[Codeine]

71. This. A thousand times this.

You've encapsulated the poster's entire reason for existence in a few cogent sentences.

[romanic]

81. Nailed it.

I was actually angry about him posting all of this crap, but now I'd rather laugh at him to see how far he goes into making false claims of "spreading tolerance". lol

[MineralMan]

66. That video may not mean what you think it means.

Or maybe it does...

[Codeine]

67. As long as he gets a response he couldn't care less.

[Rustyeye77]

70. Youre not kidding.

[AgadorSparticus]

69. I'm sorry, but I think this is more detrimental to tolerance

Than helping. While on the surface it seems like it might be a good gesture, it really ignores basic human instinct. And it also gives the extreme right grist for their vile mill.

[philosslayer]

73. The extreme rights vile mill?

All you have to do is read this thread. It appears the left has a vile mill of its own when it comes to Islam

[Codeine]

75. Oh please. Just because we aren't buying your stupid bullshit

doesn't mean we've suddenly become bigoted. It just means we see through your act.

[philosslayer]

77. You could have fooled me.

especially based on what I'm reading on this thread

[Throd]

79. Anyone who comes here with any regularity is well aware of your shopworn schtick.

You're as transparent as the Putin fan club.

[Codeine]

88. You're the white nationalist,

if your choice of YouTube channel is anything to go by. . .

[philosslayer]

90. I have no idea who posted the video

I didn't look at the source. Are you denying the video is legitimate?

[Codeine]

92. I'm just amused by your viewing habits, Herr Philosslayer. nt

[philosslayer]

95. Clearly you are only interested in personal attacks

And incapable of discussing facts.

[Codeine]

104. Facts? You mean your unsupported suppositions

about Muslims becoming the majority population in Europe and turning cathedrals into mosques? Those aren't facts, they're the fever dreams of the White Nationalist/"Eurabia" crowd, who make a lot of videos you apparently enjoy.

Even with current demographic trends Muslims aren't even close to becoming a majority in Europe, and increased exposure to modern, secular lifestyles will almost certainly result in a decrease in birthrates for that group.

You're a cheesy RW provocateur who deliberately apes the most extreme and cartoony liberal tropes in an attempt to get people to agree with your nonsense, thus reinforcing stereotypes. It's not working as well as you'd hoped, is it?

[Codeine]

93. I'm just amused by your viewing habits, Herr Philosslayer. nt

[muriel_volestrangler]

86. You claimed you found it on YouTube - #54 shows it's on a white nationalist channel

So you're saying you posted a white nationalist video here. So, yes, "the extreme rights vile mill" is exactly what you wanted to post here.

[AgadorSparticus]

127. No. People don't have to show conformity to show tolerance

Towards a culture. I don't have to wear a headscarf to show tolerance towards Islam. Makes no sense. Not sure if I missed some other thread about this, but on this thread, I don't see any vile statement made by anyone on the left.

[David__77]

78. Strikes me as bullshit.

I think lots of Muslims consider women who don't wear that to be sluts.

And hijab that's plain and modest strikes me as unattractive.

[uppityperson]

84. That is NOT a hijab, just a headscarf. Educate yourself.

[muriel_volestrangler]

87. Here's the YouTube channel you're promoting:

The Greens are notorious for their efforts to legalize Pedophilia and normalize transsexuality for children - high ranking party officials like Daniel Cohn-Bendit openly spoke about their sexual experiences with kindergardeners.The party also stands for a complete abolishment of Germany's national borders: The "Green Youth" division prides itself with posting pictures of members urinating on the German flag on social media. They also support the mass influx of millions of young, fertile Muslim men to "thin out" the German people as Joschka Fischer, former Foreign Minister, put it.

For these reasons the Greens are accused of putting forward the proposals, camouflaged as promoting "tolerance", in a deliberate attempt to destroy the traditional family and further lower German birth rates.

The Gender insanity has reached critical levels in Germany: Soon it may become a hate-crime to imply that there are only two genders as it has already become for opposing mass immigration.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCajseclvegSGQgKaRNfrQOw

You are pushing far right bullshit. Remove it, or we'll know you support it.

[melman]

96. Anyone that knows how YouTube works

knows that you don't see that channel unless you're looking for it or it was suggested to you.

And the only reason YouTube would suggest that to you is if you were looking at a lot of other stuff like that.


OP's act has been obvious for a long while, but this really seals it. Well and truly exposed.

[Binkie The Clown]

110. FYI: YouTube has a "search" feature, so your claim is demostrably false. n/t

[melman]

112. No kidding

That's why I said the part about "looking for it"

The point is, NS channels don't just pop up put of nowhere.

[Binkie The Clown]

125. Anyone who uses YouTube search knows the large percentage of garbage "hits" that come up. n/t

[melman]

126. That doesn't make sense

If it's a garbage hit why post the video here? Clearly it's what the OP was looking for.

[Binkie The Clown]

128. So you have never watched a spurious "hit" out of curiosity? I have, plenty of times. n/t

[davidn3600]

91. So it's Germans that have to change...not the immigrants?

[Codeine]

94. That's how Europe gets revitalized.

We need to wipe the slate clean and do the tenth century all over again.

[Warren DeMontague]

100. If only we had listened to the people who want to outlaw the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue

we wouldn't be having all these "problems", know what I'm sayin?

[WinkyDink]

97. Your post was sardonic, right?

[Binkie The Clown]

109. What's the German word for "Appeasement"? n/t

[Codeine]

111. "Filoschslaier" nt

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

123. +1

[patsimp]

114. Would't it be great if women in musim majority countries could wear what they wanted, love

who they wanted, ask questions about their religion without fear of death?

Tolerance would be good

[fishwax]

129. where's the part that encourages German women to wear the hijab?

[NaturalHigh]

130. What concessions are YOU willing to make in the name of tolerance?

[Warren DeMontague]

131. write you in prison when you're arrested for looking at the SI Swimsuit Issue?

but of course, it will be a letter exhorting you to repent.

[Albertoo]

136. This German ad is a disgrace

The hijab is not, has never had any religious justification. It is merely an expression of the opinion of some imams at one point of time in history based on the clothing practices of the societies they lived in.

But ever since the revival of islamism (from wahhabism to the creation of the Muslim Brotherhood), fundamentalists want to IMPOSE a strict dress code for women, head covering included. The head covering becomes the uniform of those accepting or forced to accept the more rigid, sexist version of the Muslim ideology.

To see the German democracy willingly play along is appalling.

[Odin2005]

138. Jesus Christ, DU, the Islamophobia in this thread is terrifying.

[Codeine]

140. Oh, bullshit. nt

[Ron Obvious]

141. Islamophobia

It never ceases to amaze me how the most conservative, misogynistic, homophobic, illiberal religion around today has so many liberal defenders.

[Odin2005]

142. Fuck Hitchins, he was one of the worst Islamophobes.

[philosslayer]

145. its almost continual now

A totally different atmosphere than only a few years ago. Its very discouraging.

[romanic]

148. *farts*

[philosslayer]

149. That pretty much sums up your contribution to this thread.

[mwrguy]

146. Many western women now wear hijab

It's a classic look.

I'm glad that germans are being so welcoming.

[philosslayer]

147. I agree

And the women in those pictures look beautiful!

[B2G]

150. Since when is a hijab slit up to the hip?? Nt