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Fri Sep 16, 2016, 10:40 PM

Republican Andy Martin started birtherism, not Hillary or her supporters.

The MSM has finally gotten around to calling out Trump's lie that Hillary started birtherism. But they tend to dispute Trump's lie by repeating another lie: that "diehard Clinton supporters" started the birtherism whisper campaign in 2008.

As Chris Hayes told Trump campaign strategist A.J. Delgado on Monday when she repeated the lie that Hillary started the birther movement in 2008, in fact it was a man named Andy Martin, a Republican (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Martin), who started the birtherism campaign against Obama -- in 2004. Chris Hayes wrote about it in The Nation in 2007. https://www.thenation.com/article/new-right-wing-smear-machine/

And as reported by the NY Times in 2008:

Theories about Mr. Obama’s background have taken on a life of their own. But independent analysts seeking the origins of the cyberspace attacks wind up at Mr. Martin’s first press release, posted on the Free Republic Web site in August 2004.

Its general outlines have turned up in a host of works that have expounded falsely on Mr. Obama’s heritage or supposed attempts to conceal it, including “Obama Nation,” the widely discredited best seller about Mr. Obama by Jerome R. Corsi. Mr. Corsi opens the book with a quote from Mr. Martin.

“What he’s generating gets picked up in other places,” said Danielle Allen, a professor at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, N.J., who has investigated the e-mail campaign’s circulation and origins, “and it’s an example of how the Internet has given power to sources we would have never taken seriously at another point in time.”

Ms. Allen said Mr. Martin’s original work found amplification in 2006, when a man named Ted Sampley wrote an article painting Mr. Obama as a secret practitioner of Islam. Quoting liberally from Mr. Martin, the article circulated on the Internet, and its contents eventually found their way into various e-mail messages, particularly an added claim that Mr. Obama had attended “Jakarta’s Muslim Wahhabi schools. Wahhabism is the radical teaching that created the Muslim terrorists who are now waging jihad on the rest of the world.”
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2008/10/13/us/politics/13martin.html

And while Hillary explicitly told her supporters and campaign staff not to repeat the rumor (http://www.politicususa.com/2016/09/16/trump-proves-clinton-not-birther.html), this is what Andy Martin did in 2008:

On October 17, 2008, Martin filed a lawsuit against the state of Hawaii calling for the public release of Barack Obama's birth certificate and other vital records.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Martin


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Reply Republican Andy Martin started birtherism, not Hillary or her supporters. (Original post)
SunSeeker Sep 2016 OP
Yallow Sep 2016 #1
SunSeeker Sep 2016 #3
creeksneakers2 Sep 2016 #2
SunSeeker Sep 2016 #4
Adenoid_Hynkel Sep 2016 #5
SleeplessinSoCal Sep 2016 #6
BlueMTexpat Sep 2016 #8
SunSeeker Sep 2016 #9
BlueMTexpat Sep 2016 #7
malaise Sep 2016 #10
Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #11
SunSeeker Sep 2016 #12

Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Sat Sep 17, 2016, 12:41 AM

1. I Was Wondering If Someone Would Print Who Started The Birther Racist Nonsense

 

Is this it?

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Response to Yallow (Reply #1)

Sat Sep 17, 2016, 12:44 AM

3. Yep. Chris Hayes wrote about Andy Martin in The Nation in 2007.

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Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Sat Sep 17, 2016, 12:44 AM

2. That's an origin of the lie

about Obama being a Muslim, not birtherism. I have a link I got from thefogbow.com, where the greatest expertise on birtherism on the net resides.

http://barackryphal.blogspot.com/2011/06/secret-origin-of-birthers.html

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Response to creeksneakers2 (Reply #2)

Sat Sep 17, 2016, 12:51 AM

4. All your link says is Free Republic bloggers brought up unsourced rumors in early 2008.

But Andy Martin was out there questioning Obama’s "hetitage"since 2004, and feeding it directly to Free Republic, as the cited OP articles document.

As Chris Hayes wrote about Martin in 2007:

Within a few days of Martin’s press conference, the conservative site Free Republic had picked it up, attracting a long comment thread, but after that small blip the specious “questions” about Obama’s background disappeared. Then, in the fall of 2006, as word got out that Obama was considering a presidential run, murmurs on the Internet resumed. In October a conservative blog called Infidel Bloggers Alliance reposted the Andy Martin press release under the title “Is Barack Obama Lying About His Life Story?”
https://www.thenation.com/article/new-right-wing-smear-machine/

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Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Sat Sep 17, 2016, 12:58 AM

5. The same Andy Martin who Hannity

 

used as a source in his anti-Obama election eve special report in 2008, then was left a sputtering mess when Robert Gibbs called him out for including an anti-semite and conspiracy loon in a news segment

http://mediamatters.org/research/2008/10/08/journalist-sean-hannity-gives-bogus-defense-for/145546

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Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Sat Sep 17, 2016, 01:48 AM

6. MOVE ON!!!

Trump has momentum and better PR. They have to come to terms that Robby Mook is not cutting it. And that she needs to appeal to the white angry males' women. Somebody has to snap them out if it. And women know how to do that.

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Response to SleeplessinSoCal (Reply #6)

Sat Sep 17, 2016, 05:08 AM

8. This ...

Trump has momentum and better PR.


If you say so.

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Response to SleeplessinSoCal (Reply #6)

Sat Sep 17, 2016, 05:31 AM

9. So we should not challenge Trump's lies?

What is your point and what does it have to do with the OP?

Seems to me Trump's birtherism "press conference" yesterday backfired badly. For the first time, the media are using the "L" word (lie) with regard to Trump. Major Garrett went on a rant about how Trump rick rolled the media...Major Garrett of all people! Why do you want us to "move on" from that?

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Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Sat Sep 17, 2016, 05:06 AM

7. Please don't forget the "contributions"

of the despicably deplorable Orly Taitz to the birther cause.

Orly herself is just fine with Trump's disavowment because she believes it is purely for purposes of getting elected and not sincere. That is likely the reaction of all pro-Trump birthers.

See, e.g.: Birther Orly Taitz Is Okay With Donald Trump Dropping Birtherism To Win The Election http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-orly-taitz_us_57dc4a5ae4b08cb14095dd06

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Response to BlueMTexpat (Reply #7)

Sat Sep 17, 2016, 06:30 AM

10. They are not winning a damned thing

Don the Con will never be president - and he will disappear on election night without as much as a concession.

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Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Sat Sep 17, 2016, 08:31 AM

11. Found this in 2004 & 2007 at the FReak site

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1192827/posts?page=61#61

He was not born in Hawaii, he immigrated there when a child

61 posted on 2004-08-17, 5:14:07 AM by JustPiper (~ It can be good news when there is no terror threat to report ~)


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1773468/posts?page=69#69

How does one prove they meet the Constitutional requirement, born in the U.S., to be president? Submit a birth certificate to whom?

I want to see OB's BC.
69 posted on 2007-01-25, 11:40:26 AM by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)


Andy Martin made a big fuss in 2004 to see Obama's birth certificate to see if it stated he was Muslim.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #11)

Sat Sep 17, 2016, 01:20 PM

12. Andy Martin attacked Obama’s "heritage." It wasn't just a matter of his religion.

But thanks for the links to the FR, not that I will ever give that cesspool the clicks. Documentation uncovered by Chris Hayes indicates Martin was the earliest known birther, and Martin’s "press release" to FR in August 2004 spread that conspiracy theory to the FR fever swamp, as your FR links demonstrate.

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