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DFW

(54,358 posts)
3. I think 20000 and 2004 showed
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 08:17 AM
Sep 2016

....that even with blatant fraud and manipulation on the part of the Republicans, the results will stand.

With the SCOTUS evenly divided, though, it is a legitimate question to ask whether Bush v. Gore would have been decided as it was.

underahedgerow

(1,232 posts)
8. Well, this time the gop doesn't have the evil bush regime behind them. And why it would be most
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 12:16 PM
Sep 2016

excellent to get Obama's choice into the SC pretty darned fast.

And remember, the GOP electorate doesn't actually want trump in there. They just don't like Clinton. It's a tough year to be an electorate.


Haven't seen hide nor hair of rove. Not missing his sorry ass at all.

Clinton is walking a fine line of continuing to woo the undecideds and independents. It has to be done very, very carefully, they are the deciding factor in this race.

Trump is just farting all over the place, so let him. He's not doing himself any favors and that's just fine. Gawd I hope it's a full moon on election day, he'll be exploding all over the place.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
9. SCOTUS stopped the count, thus changing the results of the election. Willfully and Shamelessly.
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 12:18 PM
Sep 2016

We haven't had a real democracy since then.

DFW

(54,358 posts)
14. Be careful what you wish for
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 04:13 PM
Sep 2016

If there's a full moon on election day, Trump might revert back to this:

michaz

(1,352 posts)
4. A dictator from another country literally changing results or hacking would be a whole new ballgame.
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 08:30 AM
Sep 2016

Seems to me.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
7. It's happened several times throughout US history
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 11:59 AM
Sep 2016

In 1824, John Quincy Adams became president despite losing not only the election, but the electoral college.

In 1876, Rutherford B. Hayes became president despite losing the election.

In 1888, Benjamin Harrison became president despite losing the election.

In 2000, George W. Bush became president despite losing the election.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
10. Well technically the people dont directly elect the President
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 12:34 PM
Sep 2016

It's the electoral college that elects the president. Therefore, it is the states that elect the president. It's just that the state laws tie the electoral votes to the votes of the people in that state. So your right to vote for President doesn't exist in the federal constitution, it's in your state constitution.

But it's important to note that the state has a right to distribute its electoral votes any way that it wishes. It can do it as winner take all as most states do, or it can divide it by congressional district which Maine and Nebraska do. Article II, Section I of the Constitution gives the states this power. The federal government isn't really supposed to be involved in how a state conducts its elections. The Supreme Court has only allowed very few exceptions and only when it is clear the state is trying to violate equal protection.

For example, there has been talk in Michigan and a few other states to divide the electoral vote up by district which would actually benefit Republicans. If the state decides to do that....then there is nothing anyone can do about it. It's perfectly Constitutional.

This is not really that abnormal. The United States is not a direct democracy, we are Constitutional Republic. Also, in most other democracies around the world, the head of state isn't directly elected either. They are elected usually by a coalition in the parliament or legislative branch.

But no, the election can't be cancelled. The Constitution calls for someone to elected every 4 years. Now, there are ways that the person elected didn't actually win. And that's happened before, legally. But in each of those cases the House selected the President. You can't cancel an election because you don't like the results and try again. It doesn't work that way.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
11. Nullifying an election that Trump presumably won
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 01:10 PM
Sep 2016

and keeping Obama in office for a 3rd term will accomplish what, exactly?

Start over?

Sure. And men with guns will decide the next President.

What the hell, we're probably not long down this road as it is.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
13. Sure. Just tell Dick Cheney we need his services that day.
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 01:53 PM
Sep 2016

Oh, hang on. I'm guessing you want it declared null and void by someone YOU choose.

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