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UTUSN

(70,683 posts)
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 01:28 PM Sep 2016

Meet Andy MARTIN, the originator of Birtherism (dating from 2004)



Oh, guess who have featured him in years past: Jerome CORSI (George NOORY's best pal); HANNITY; and Ted SAMPLEY/co-founder of Vietnam Veterans Against John KERRY - what a choice crew (to quote from Reflections in a Golden Eye), or "the usual suspects" (to quote from the usual suspects).

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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/birther-movement-founder-trump-clinton-228304#ixzz4KX4I8GXH
[font size=5]No, Clinton didn't start the birther thing. This guy did.[/font]

By KYLE CHENEY

.... In fact, birtherism, as it’s been called, reportedly began with innuendo by serial Illinois political candidate Andy Martin, who painted Obama as a closet Muslim in 2004. That spiraled into a concerted effort by conspiracy theorists to raise doubts about Obama’s birthplace and religion — and essentially paint him as un-American.

Martin, who briefly launched a little-noticed presidential campaign last year, has disavowed the movement he’s often credited with starting, though he still foments similarly discredited doubts about Obama’s religion. ....



[font size=5](from Wiki: )[/font]

Early life
Martin was born in 1945 in Middletown, Connecticut.[8] His father, Ralph Beneducci Martin-Trigona, was of Italian, Maltese, and English descent, and his mother, Helen Anthony (née Vasiliou), was Greek American.[9][10] He received a B.A. from the University of Illinois in 1966, and a J.D. from that institution in 1969.

Career
In 1973 the Illinois Supreme Court refused to grant Martin a license to practice law in the state due to such conduct as attempting to have a parking violation thrown out because it had been "entered by an insane judge" and for commenting that an attorney, who suffers from a mild case of cerebral palsy, was "shaking and tottering and drooling like an idiot." The court also cited Martin's Selective Service record, which attributed to him "a moderately severe character defect manifested by well-documented ideation with a paranoid flavor and a grandiose character."[1]

Martin then became involved in consumer advocacy and referred to himself as "the people's attorney general". He took credit for being the first to file suit under the civil component of the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO), as well as the first to file antitrust actions against the Big Three television networks for anticompetitive practices in network affiliation agreements.[11] ....

Litigation and Anti-Semitic allegations
Over the years, Martin has filed numerous lawsuits, and was labeled as a vexatious litigant by Edward Weinfeld, a federal judge for the Southern District of New York, who observed that Martin had a tendency to file "a substantial number of lawsuits of a vexatious, frivolous and scandalous nature."[1] A number of these filings were allegedly anti-Semitic in nature. In a 1983 bankruptcy case, he filed a motion calling the presiding judge "a crooked, slimy Jew who has a history of lying and thieving common to members of his race."[4] In another motion that year, Martin stated, "I am able to understand how the Holocaust took place, and with every passing day feel less and less sorry that it did."[4] He went on to say that "Jew survivors are operating as a wolf pack to steal my property." [25] When later pressed in an interview about his remarks, Martin claimed that the anti-Semitic comments were inserted into his court papers by malicious judges.[4] ....

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Might as well add on (partially) to the Rogues' Gallery: NOORY, CORSI, Ted SAMPLEY (deceased/2009, who campaigned against McCAIN besides against KERRY) :


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Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
1. That's way back in '04.
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 02:28 PM
Sep 2016

There's also a creep named Jim Geraghty from Natl Review who pushed and published the theory in early March of '08, 2 1/2 months before the anonymous alleged "Clinton supporter" e-mail chains.

Rove always struck me as a great nominee to receive credit for being the actual person identified as "anonymous Clinton supporter", but having to even discuss the lie about the origins coming from the Clinton campaign only lends credence to the orange cannonmouth's false argument.

His whole argument is "Hey, look over there at Clinton. Just because I've spent 6 or 7 years publicly being the face for the fake birther scandal, and I've been all over mass media pushing this lie internationally, that is no reason for you not to blame my opponent for this, because I just said 9 words that put my years-long flogging of this lie behind me permanently. I deserve thanks, accolades and credit for the part I played in this issue, and she's horrible for creating this controversy I demagogued forever about."

UTUSN

(70,683 posts)
2. KKKarl and Roger STONE can be suspects for just about anything.
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 02:44 PM
Sep 2016

I've always thought STONE was behind the Dan RATHER ambush. Him and his lovely Cuban wife Nikki. There was that mysterious woman who passed the documents to Dan's source.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
3. Very interesting, I didn't know that about Rog and Nikki.
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 02:53 PM
Sep 2016

I know that they do have some non-standard family values, from a "traditional family values championed by the repub party" standpoint. The quickness of buckhead's debunking of the memo shows the memo came from their side.

I did see this little Stone statement from right before the il Douche A press conference, that the birth certificate "might be fake":

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141574444

There seems to be some command and control problems syncing the campaign's public positions and statements. Or they're trying to run in two diametrically opposite directions on the issues, at the exact same time.

UTUSN

(70,683 posts)
6. Whew, just slogged through it. I knew I'd need a shower afterwards but it was within bounds.
Sun Sep 18, 2016, 12:59 AM
Sep 2016

This is a *very* in-the-weeds treatise of very intricate and obscure politics of events long forgotten. No mention of the Dan RATHER episode, STONE's involvement I remember being speculated about back when the things were happening. I read Parts One and Two closely, skimmed three through seven, back to close with the rest. Detailed about Coup 2000, his shoddy book smearing LBJ with offing JFK, Joe KENNEDY's mob partnerships, especially good about STONE's "claimed achievements" in dirty tricks (claimed, not substantiated). It's got good links to other reporting on STONE. Maybe this will save some time.

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from PART ONE: [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"] [/FONT]

.... I don’t think Stone ever says what policy he is for in this memoir, and he might well consider a focus on policy a distraction. There is only winning and losing an election, and [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]five methods[/FONT] for achieving a victory recur again and again in races that Stone is involved with, four methods that create a mirror maze of [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]confusion, misdirection, and elimination[/FONT]. The [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]first is through association[/FONT], by having a candidate receive an endorsement from a person or group who potential supporters of the candidate are predisposed to view as an opponent, or through association with something unquestionably malevolent made via protesters, pamphlets, or other means funded by Stone’s campaign but without any fingerprints. The [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]second is by having a group, funded by allied interests, oppose a candidate or policy due to some larger moral principle[/FONT] that everyone can agree on – the issue is not candidate A versus B, but opposition to crime, gambling, or child abuse. The [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]third is the smear[/FONT], saying your opponent is corrupt, weak, racist, a rapist, a murderer, a pedophile, always helpfully done not through you, the opponent on which this tar might stick, but through a phantom proxy. This last is used very, very often by Stone. The [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]fourth, and one of the most effective, is through fragmentation of the vote[/FONT]. There is, say, overwhelming support for candidate A, who will raise the minimum wage, versus candidate B, who won’t. You split this overwhelming vote by funding another candidate, who wants to raise the minimum wage even higher, and who chastises candidate A for compromising their principles and being beholden to business interests for not asking for a higher wage. Through a vote split, candidate B, the one who says he believes the condition of workers must be improved, but not through easy sounding solutions like a higher minimum wage, scores a victory. At the same time, you make great efforts to keep the votes for your own candidate or issue from being fragmented. The [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]fifth is vote suppression[/FONT], of black and latino voters, who tend to poll democrat. The first four have been employed in elections that Stone has been involved in, with Stone often taking credit. The fifth has been employed alongside Stone’s efforts, though perhaps without the collusion of Stone.

from PART EIGHT:

.... ...Stone might well be like his best known client, Donald Trump, who represents an image of a part better than those who play the part far better. Trump is far better at creating a brash, crass entity, a full-figured emptiness, “an opera buffa parody of wealth” in Mark Singer’s phrase, that embodies arrogant capitalism far better than those who are actual successful and important billionaires, whether it be Warren Buffett or Bill Gates. “Deep down, he wants to be Madonna,” says a security analyst of Trump236. Deep down, Roger Stone wants to be Madonna, too. [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]Stone is better at creating an image of a political fixer than he is at the role[/FONT]. His race with Tom Kean was a razor thin victory, while the only presidential campaign he ever headed up, Arlen Specter’s, ended before the first primary. Warren Redlich beat him in the Libertarian primary. His candidate, Kristin Davis, finished dead last in the governor’s race. His two greatest achievements, the Brooks Brothers riot and the leak of Eliot Spitzer’s sexual life, are both [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]inventions, bought up by a gullible and stupid press[/FONT]. His “jokes”, like harassing Bernard Spitzer or his libeling Warren Redlich as a sexual predator, are obvious, cruel, and stupid. The mystery, the malevolence one associates with him are not his own, but the qualities of a political world, now, of secret money and secret power. He is a man who [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]tries to claw at fame by making himself the embodiment of that secret world, but he is one of the players of the least significance. Roger Stone is an evil genius without the genius part[/FONT]. That no large financial donor ended up backing Johnson, through the veiled power of a Super PAC, shows the lack of confidence on the part of secret money in Stone’s ability to pull off this bet. ....


from PART TEN:

.... After exiting his role as manager of the Donald Trump presidential campaign, Roger Stone would have a higher profile than he had in years. Most of this coverage was superficial, sycophantic, and an indictment of the wretched state of the American press. Many of the nether points of Stone’s career – the blood stained clients of BMS&K, the killing of Georgiy Gongadze, the suppression of black votes in the 1981 New Jersey election – all went unmentioned, for a portrait of a lovable mischievous dandy. The supposed dialogue which took place before the break-up which shows up in Marc Caputo’s “Sources: Roger Stone quit, wasn’t fired by Donald Trump in campaign shakeup” was laughably synthetic, a devil’s council re-written as idealistic wrangling by Aaron Sorkin. To my mind, the most realistic account showed up in “Inside Story: Behind Trump’s Breakup With Consultant Roger Stone” by Joe Conason, which most certainly relied on Stone as a source, but not without skepticism. Most of these profiles depicted Stone as a ne plus ultra consultant, somehow forgetting that his last few runs had been failures in the minor leagues, running the losing campaign for the mayor of Miami Beach and losing to Warren Redlich in the race for the New York Libertarian Party goverrnor’s ticket after a smear campaign in which Redlich was falsely accused of being a pedophile. Others saw Stone’s dismissal in favor of campaign manager Cory Landowski as an example of Trump’s amateurism, and I saw it as something different and [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]very frightening: Trump is very serious about becoming president, and had no patience for Stone’s rusty shenanigans[/FONT]. ....

This maneuver – [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]using an obscure publication as a source of a dubious quote about an opponent[/FONT] – was used by Atwater and his colleague Roger Stone against Charles “Pug” Ravenel in 1978 when Ravenel ran against Strom Thurmond for the U.S. Senate. ....

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Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
8. I've gotten through 1 -5, so far.
Sun Sep 18, 2016, 08:16 PM
Sep 2016

Excellent writing, research, and political reporting. A shower isn't going to do it. I need some bleach for my brain, and need some kind of horse tranquilizers to calm down.

I see that part 4 covered the '81 Jersey election "policing" being the cause for the '82 Consent Decree, which legally forbids the 2016 repubs nationwide from doing what Stone and tRump are talking about this year, "Election Policing".

The connections of Manafort to the public housing scandals and HUD rip off from the '80's is interesting, since Fred and little Donnie made all of their money from government subsidies on housing projects.

The connections with tRump and Stone to Native American reservation gambling and lobbying brings to mind Abramoff's scandals in that area, and I saw that Abramoff was mentioned in one of the earlier parts of the series.

I feel lessened, as a citizen and a human being, to see how these people act, and see that they aren't imprisoned.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
10. That seems complimentary. Thanks, USN.
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 10:20 AM
Sep 2016

Last edited Wed Sep 21, 2016, 11:12 AM - Edit history (1)

I appreciate the good quality info links you give in the o.p. and the sub-post. I haven't started part 6 yet, I need a rest to shake it off.

Octa brought up Manafort and Stone a few months ago as wise guys, and I asked him if they weren't actually right wing intel. I didn't hear back, and haven't seen him around here in a while. But I didn't ask the question in a snotty way, and have never had a fundamental disagreement with him on the issues.

There was this guy named Charles Nicoletti, who was a big organized crime hit-man in Chicago, from way back in Capone Nitti Deluca-Ricca times, all the way through the '70's. He said that he was leaving the mob because intel was taking it over, and got hit while the House Assassinations Committee was looking to subpoena him, right after Roselli and Giancana were hit. (He made the mob-intel statement according to a UPI dispatch datelined Chicago, reported in the Miami Herald 3/30/77. It's cited in the Warren Hinckle book Deadly Secrets, pp. 403, 440, hardbound edition.)

Manafort and Stone look like they come from the right wing intel end of things, they're not from any mob gene pool though they may have plentiful mob connections. Same thing for drump, though he appears to plunk down on neo-nazi connections instead of being hooked directly into rightwing intel, like Manafort and Stone are. tRump's not from any wise-guy gene pool, he just rubs elbows and has business dealings with a host of mobbed up Irish Italian Jewish and Greek individuals. He's a fake aristocrat WASP, who has the same business practices and org structure the mob has, and he relies on mob people for some work. But he kissed up to Salerno and Castellano when he rubbed elbows with them, he didn't sit at the table with them and discuss "la cosa nostra".

One reporter who covered his interactions with the mob (D.C. Johnston, I believe) said that little Donnie never put himself in a situation where he was not absolutely sure about his own personal physical safety, though there have definitely been right wing intel people who would openly talk face to face, person to person, with organized crime figures. tRump's too stupid to be intel, he's not a big nazi intellectual leader either, despite his dad's longstanding Klan affiliation. T-Rump just is a high level backer of theirs, and is willing to take all of their adulation, because he regards it as being his due. The rightwing DailyMail said he's another royal family cousin, distantly connected, way way down the line of succession, through his dad's German and his mother's Scottish bloodlines. Sounds about right. (No slur intended to the current Brit monarchy, we all have cousins we don't really get along with. And my mention of the "T-Rump royal family" line in the Daily Mail isn't intended to convey a LaRouchie/Bircher affiliation on my part.)

I'd like to point out that the current increased violence and death rate in Chicago is without a doubt the results of a war by street level proxy between organized crime elements in Chicago. The reverberations of that war expand through Chicago held territory in Cleveland and to disputed territory like Pittsburgh. So after violent crime going down ever since we tossed out the trash in '92, going down through most of the Obama Admin, a few US cities are seeing a sudden sharp uptick as we approach the '16 elections.

UTUSN

(70,683 posts)
11. I fully intended it to be complimentary. And your in depth knowledge of the subject makes the link
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 10:24 AM
Sep 2016

way suited to you.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
7. She helps bring the batista drug running and rightwing intel people to the GOP table.
Sun Sep 18, 2016, 09:38 AM
Sep 2016

One thing I noticed so far, was that Stone's '81 New Jersey moves are what caused the GOP to have to act under the '82 Consent Decree in elections. It's in effect to this day.
https://electionlawblog.org/?p=85289

" Donald Trump May Be Violating RNC Consent Decree Aimed at Voter Intimidation

Posted on August 12, 2016 8:05 pm by Rick Hasen
With Trump’s dangerous and irresponsible hyperventilating about voter fraud and cheating in Pennsylvania potentially costing him the election, it is probably no surprise, as reported by the Weekly Standard, that Trump is seeking “election observers” to stop “Crooked Hillary” from “rigging this election.”

However, there’s a longstanding consent decree that bars the RNC afrom engaging in such activities. Here’s Tal Kopan and Josh Gerstein, reporting in 2013 on the RNC’s unsuccessful attempt to get the Supreme Court to lift the decree
...
The case, Republican National Committee vs. Democratic National Committee, dealt with a consent decree issued in 1982 that prevents the RNC from engaging in some voter fraud prevention efforts without prior court consent. It specifically said the RNC could not engage in ballot security efforts (later defined in 1987 as “ballot integrity, ballot security or other efforts to prevent or remedy vote fraud,” according to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit opinion), especially in areas where racial or ethnic makeup could be considered a reason for the activities.
...

(e) refrain from undertaking any ballot security activities in polling places or election districts where the racial or ethnic composition of such districts is a factor in the decision to conduct, or the actual conduct of, such activities there and where a purpose or significant effect of such activities is to deter qualified voters from voting; and the conduct of such activities disproportionately in or directed toward districts that have a substantial proportion of racial or ethnic populations shall be considered relevant evidence of the existence of such a factor and purpose "

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
13. Part 6
Wed Sep 21, 2016, 12:56 PM
Sep 2016

The tangled story of Dick Morris, Roger Stone, and Argentinian Intel seems difficult to figure out. But it isn't. There is no move that Stone made which was meant to do anything but help bush, hurt Gore, promote anti-semitism even if working with extreme Likud Mossad people, and aid these particular Argentinians:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_Anticommunist_Alliance

and in particular, any movement founded by Stefano Delle Chiaie in Argentina:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefano_Delle_Chiaie

I'm an especially big fan of the work Stef did cross borders in helping Klaus Barbie and his 'Fiancees of Death', while Barbie worked for far right US intel factions and far right Bolivian intel, and for drug kingpins:

https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/neal-isabel-hilton-magnus-linklater-ascherson/the-nazi-legacy-klaus-barbie-and-the-internatio/

That's Stone, nazis, intel, and drugs, but he was "really working against bush". Puts a whole nother perspective on Der Drumpfenfuhrer's ongoing continuous involvement with Joe Weichselbaum.

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The tangled story about Stone's "anti-bush" work is similar to the story of Stone associate Matty Lolavar/Fein / Mahtaub Hojjati's other work (setting up an org called "IPS" where the P means Persian, while backing the latin american terror group who assassinated Letelier and Moffitt via car-bomb in DC, while they were working for the IPS, the Institute for Policy Studies.) They did so through US intel, while Poppy was DCI. It's also enthralling how Lolavar Fein Hojjati's hubby was behind the alleged denunciation of Cheney for his imperial Vice Presidency, while current Stone backed bircher v.p. candidate Pence openly says that Cheney is his model for how a V.P. should operate.

Basically, they try to spin a corkscrew like yarn, but there will never be any harm from Stone and his associates to nazis, far-right intel, bush/cheney repugs, international drug kingpins, or latin American nazi juntas. They're just trying to give us the old triple reverse razzle dazzle here.

Giving credence to any Stone statement about Stone's involvement in these matters would be like taking at face value what Otto West said in A Fish Called Wanda, "Look, you obviously don't know anything about intelligence work, lady. It's an X-K-Red-27 technique." http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095159/quotes

Great section on Stone involvement in flacking for Carl Paladino, and also flacking for Savimbi, Mobutu, Marcos, and Christiani's El Salvadoran ARENA death squad dictatorship. Puts a different perspective on Paladino's many character defects, his insane run for political office, and his current stumping for drump. Also cute how Stone should be in prison for income tax evasion.

There's no way I could cover part 6 in depth, well worth reading. The author is telling me all kinds of new specifics about how that nazi Stone and his crowd operate.

UTUSN

(70,683 posts)
14. Hey, Mc, did you know this tidbit that Roy COHN, Dick MORRIS, & Lawrence FERLINGHETTI
Wed Sep 21, 2016, 02:21 PM
Sep 2016

were cousins - or at least MORRIS's father was cousin to COHN or his father. And now COHN is back as having been DRUMPF's mentor, linked with STONE. The politics are not so odd, from the old days of machine politics.

I'm pressed for time for now but will Google later if need be.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
15. Poor Mr. Ferlinghetti. Thanksgiving must have sucked for him, back in the day.
Wed Sep 21, 2016, 08:18 PM
Sep 2016

I just saw that he's still going in San Fran, though. 96 years old. I visited City Lights as a tourist, a couple of times, around 30 years ago.

The Beats were before my time. I appreciate the things that they were saying back then, but haven't read their work, in depth. Not big on Kerouac, but I like Ginsberg and Burroughs.

I didn't see his family connection to those 2 dirtbags in my online search. I can see the family resemblance between Morris and Cohn, though.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
17. Blue collar anti-nazi white guy from Pittsburgh.
Thu Sep 22, 2016, 10:34 AM
Sep 2016

I've studied the political sociology of active threat nazi groups and movements for a few decades, and study all the good populist movements too.

My journal posts are consistent in terms of where I stand on the issues, what I think are the right aims and tactics, and any personal bio stuff.

I saw an earlier journal entry of yours on the trump purple heart award. I think he either earned that at the "Battle of Harrisburg", or else the wound he suffered was that nasty case of untreated syphilis he picked up during his "own personal Vietnam".

In order to back the Viet era troops, in the past, I've brought up the drug smuggling operation that got cracked during the war, when the bad guys were putting drugs into the body bags of KIAs being returned to the US. That puts Hamburger Hill style actions in a different light, makes it seem like a drug container supply-and-demand issue. And there's Roger Stone.

I know who the bad guys are.

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