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(2,955 posts)
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 11:11 AM Sep 2016

Clinton Losing Millennial Support Nationally and in Key States

Personally I don't think this will matter too much (Because probably a lot of them are just gonna vote Johnson), but what are DU's thoughts on this issue? What can Hillary do to attract more millennials and make them feel like she represents them?

IMO she needs to take a greater interest in raising the minimum wage, dealing with high tuition costs, reigning in big pharma and take some kind of assertive stance on cannabis decriminalization.


http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/clinton-losing-key-millennial-support-nationally-key-states-n650076

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Clinton Losing Millennial Support Nationally and in Key States (Original Post) Calculating Sep 2016 OP
Are you familiar with her policy positions? nt DURHAM D Sep 2016 #1
Do you mean President Xi (pronounced She?) aka "her" nice image of a hero here: Jeffersons Ghost Sep 2016 #109
President Obama was an amazing candidate we are unlikely to see ever again ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2016 #2
Hopefully "the youth" will grow up & realize that presidents don't have to be matinee idols Demit Sep 2016 #55
weed is everything to some of them... nevermind the rest of Johnson's beliefs OKNancy Sep 2016 #3
75 for retirement age is probably inevitable Albertoo Sep 2016 #128
so? you think a laborer can keep working until 75? OKNancy Sep 2016 #131
As I said inevitable -> adjustments Albertoo Sep 2016 #133
This message was self-deleted by its author FrodosPet Sep 2016 #134
She can't. They are not responding to her because they see her as "mom"... Moostache Sep 2016 #4
It's all media concoction. Clinton's not a cool mom, just as Trump is the crazy rich grandpa. haele Sep 2016 #60
The ones she is "losing" won't come out to vote anyway. leftofcool Sep 2016 #5
I agree. cwydro Sep 2016 #34
Is F.L.O.S. an acronym for replies that represent FULL OF SHIT IN THE OP? nice pic... Jeffersons Ghost Sep 2016 #107
While the DEms seem to have blended Bernies ideas into their platform, Hillary has spent a lot of... dmosh42 Sep 2016 #6
God forbid that Hillary try to broaden the base comradebillyboy Sep 2016 #31
I understand your sentiment, but there is only so far she can Exilednight Sep 2016 #85
She will get some more back.. SCliberal91294 Sep 2016 #7
millennials are NOT one homogeneous group, and consist of all political persuasions still_one Sep 2016 #8
That's true loyalsister Sep 2016 #11
The big picture, good luck with that...... mrmpa Sep 2016 #46
I don't think it's fair to stereotype them loyalsister Sep 2016 #57
Envy brings out the worst in us Malekah Sep 2016 #102
I'm not sure what that has to do with stereotyping millenials loyalsister Sep 2016 #120
You are right. LiberalFighter Sep 2016 #65
My daughter and everyone she knows is voting Hillary, and we live in right wing land. mountain grammy Sep 2016 #74
Hillary will win a majority of voters under 30. DemocraticWing Sep 2016 #9
is she losing black and brown millennials? or is she only losing white millennials? La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2016 #10
Educated Guess otohara Sep 2016 #22
There was some polling done... MellowDem Sep 2016 #36
Change is possible Malekah Sep 2016 #104
other than renaming herself Snapchat McInstagram, just keep on promoting her student debt relief geek tragedy Sep 2016 #12
Not good enough. Wilms Sep 2016 #15
Gary Johnson wants to do nothing about climate change and college affordability geek tragedy Sep 2016 #16
I don't speak for Millenials. Wilms Sep 2016 #17
the only way to really cut into Gary Johnson's support is to make geek tragedy Sep 2016 #18
By all means, keep me in the loop. Wilms Sep 2016 #24
As too, we would entertain hearing the solutions you may come up with as well... LanternWaste Sep 2016 #26
Is There A Correct Way to Speak otohara Sep 2016 #23
I see you're off to a good start. Wilms Sep 2016 #25
After Being Called otohara Sep 2016 #28
I didn't say anything about kid gloves. Wilms Sep 2016 #41
So you think the threat of a Trump administration is useless as persuasion. Demit Sep 2016 #59
Yes. It's useless. Arazi Sep 2016 #92
What is a typical election? Demit Sep 2016 #100
I'd send them to bed without supper... Wilms Sep 2016 #115
In other words... Act_of_Reparation Sep 2016 #45
Sounds about right. VulgarPoet Sep 2016 #56
No doubt, you'll allow us your own proposals as to how to "win them over" as well, yes? LanternWaste Sep 2016 #29
Oh, knock it off. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2016 #42
Well, they're gonna luv-luv-luv President Trump then... calimary Sep 2016 #69
narcissists typically don't care about the real world consequences for others nt geek tragedy Sep 2016 #70
that may explain the support for Johnson over Stein JI7 Sep 2016 #89
Johnson voters don't care about issues geek tragedy Sep 2016 #91
We Are Their Parents otohara Sep 2016 #43
That's a bit dramatic. Wilms Sep 2016 #47
No, but Ross Perot pulled enough younger republican voters from GHW Bush, allowing haele Sep 2016 #63
Important post. Kick and rec Arazi Sep 2016 #93
Excellent and reasoned analysis. susanna Sep 2016 #97
I'm not surprised. demmiblue Sep 2016 #13
IMO, this lack of enthusiasm is a real problem for HRC. Calista241 Sep 2016 #14
Yes Calculating Sep 2016 #33
Two main things she had to do underpants Sep 2016 #52
The relentless misinformation campaign waged at them didn't help. BobbyDrake Sep 2016 #19
Stop your condescension... MellowDem Sep 2016 #32
Pointing out that "some" Millennials don't have historical perspective on things they used to judge BobbyDrake Sep 2016 #35
Your original post speaks for itself... MellowDem Sep 2016 #39
K&R At least she Clinton hasn't lost touch with her humanity, like Trump has Jeffersons Ghost Sep 2016 #20
It's incredible. This is an election where each candidate is running against the ONLY person Marr Sep 2016 #21
If this is true. MynameisBlarney Sep 2016 #27
Considering they're Clinton's biggest support... MellowDem Sep 2016 #40
Wait...what? MynameisBlarney Sep 2016 #50
What can you do about it? liberal N proud Sep 2016 #30
Develop a party platform that appeals to young people? Act_of_Reparation Sep 2016 #54
And you think Trump will offer something Clinton can't? liberal N proud Sep 2016 #73
Is this about me? Act_of_Reparation Sep 2016 #78
Barring any evidence otherwise, I can only assume you must be a millinnial liberal N proud Sep 2016 #86
And that's exactly what I'm talking about. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2016 #117
Young people don't want the traditional politician davidn3600 Sep 2016 #37
Libertarianism is a tremendous threat to America and the world. Democrats_win Sep 2016 #38
Do you mean, "tenets of Libertarianism", rather than "tenants"? closeupready Sep 2016 #48
How quaint... Blue_Tires Sep 2016 #44
just learned a millenial relative is not voting for pres.... believes salin Sep 2016 #49
Do they watch the show Veep? tammywammy Sep 2016 #108
don't know salin Sep 2016 #125
Didn't they support Bernie to start with? treestar Sep 2016 #51
I heard that too, but maybe Milennialls don't accept that it's a 2 party system. HereSince1628 Sep 2016 #71
Post removed Post removed Sep 2016 #53
It's disappointing that any person would take the label of "millennial" stopbush Sep 2016 #58
Are you serious? Act_of_Reparation Sep 2016 #61
Most don't. Turin_C3PO Sep 2016 #67
I support Hillary, even though she was not the Dem's best choice. n/t Binkie The Clown Sep 2016 #62
Millennials are only part of the equation. LiberalFighter Sep 2016 #64
I venture to say that either of the two Dem primary candidates would be experiencing this lull... Tarheel_Dem Sep 2016 #66
One thing I don't understand... Turin_C3PO Sep 2016 #68
We are scared because phallon Sep 2016 #72
They do here because DU's user base skews really old TransitJohn Sep 2016 #96
Got it in one. Il_Coniglietto Sep 2016 #121
That's been puzzling me too TubbersUK Sep 2016 #103
Millennials have much better BS detectors than boomers Tsiyu Sep 2016 #75
+10 brazillions Arazi Sep 2016 #95
the Clintons are a product of and for another generation Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2016 #76
You're gonna love Trump then. phallon Sep 2016 #80
If I could bring myself to vote for Gray Davis, I can bring myself to vote for Hillary Clinton Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2016 #83
"Someone going through the motions so they can collect their perceived birthright." Zing Zing Zingbah Sep 2016 #82
Trump isn't making that much of an effort Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2016 #84
That's why he is just going threw the motions... Zing Zing Zingbah Sep 2016 #111
Trump isn't even doing that much, Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2016 #122
Thinking you deserve to be president Zing Zing Zingbah Sep 2016 #124
Coming out more strongly for legalization of cannabis would be an easy and smart move Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #77
so why aren't they supporting Jill Stein over Johnson ? JI7 Sep 2016 #90
It's a good question. One thing, it's possible GJ is more accessible. He certainly gets more airtime Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #99
We think you're full of it. brush Sep 2016 #79
Her lead in the 18-35 crowd is the strongest of any age grouping. Yo_Mama Sep 2016 #81
According to your link, 65 or older is showing the strongest support. demmiblue Sep 2016 #87
The problem is, she's not Obama. Obama ran to her left in 2008, and won Exilednight Sep 2016 #112
It's a weird election - people are at sea. Yo_Mama Sep 2016 #123
Thx for this, more unneeded drama from M$M uponit7771 Sep 2016 #98
HIllary's loss started about 3 weeks ago eniwetok Sep 2016 #88
Oh good, another thread where a bunch of senior citizens scold Kids Today. LeftyMom Sep 2016 #94
welcome to DU. Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #101
It's a perverse reciprocity, at the end of the day. VulgarPoet Sep 2016 #113
Ok, what's your recommended length of time for talking to a Millennial Demit Sep 2016 #116
Long enough to know better than to broad brush. VulgarPoet Sep 2016 #127
Unresponsive. Demit Sep 2016 #130
Completely unsurprised. VulgarPoet Sep 2016 #132
I don't think millenials understand the Ilsa Sep 2016 #105
I don't think a new initiative on millennial issues will do much good aikoaiko Sep 2016 #106
Part of the problem MichMan Sep 2016 #110
Hate to have to count on this, but Clement Langhorn Sep 2016 #114
A lot of the support for Johnson comes from single-issue potheads. Odin2005 Sep 2016 #118
Should be easy to draw them in then Calculating Sep 2016 #119
When Hillary wins, she should thank DonCoquixote Sep 2016 #126
It might make more sense to scure the floating Independents by weighing down hard on Islamists Albertoo Sep 2016 #129
first fix sallie mae. Javaman Sep 2016 #135

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
2. President Obama was an amazing candidate we are unlikely to see ever again
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 11:18 AM
Sep 2016

I hate to say it, but Hillary is an Al Gore or John Kerry type candidate who just doesn't excite the youth even as much as her husband did, as shallow as that is. We will have to fight this campaign at lot harder and be happy we got such a scumbag as Trump as an opponent. Her policy is not the problem at all.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
55. Hopefully "the youth" will grow up & realize that presidents don't have to be matinee idols
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 03:19 PM
Sep 2016

to be good presidents. I think one way we could fight this campaign harder is to stop using lukewarm phrases like "her policy is not the problem at all" and start speaking emphatically and specifically about how good her policies actually are.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
3. weed is everything to some of them... nevermind the rest of Johnson's beliefs
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 11:21 AM
Sep 2016

no real liberal would go for: pro private prisons, pro- TPP, 75 for retirement age, school vouchers, until recently said get rid of Social Security and Medicare.

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
128. 75 for retirement age is probably inevitable
Wed Sep 21, 2016, 08:22 AM
Sep 2016

Someone in High School today has a 50% chance of living to 100 yo..

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
131. so? you think a laborer can keep working until 75?
Wed Sep 21, 2016, 09:00 AM
Sep 2016

Someone with an office job and good benefits would probably be OK, but people who use their bodies at work could never do it.

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
133. As I said inevitable -> adjustments
Wed Sep 21, 2016, 10:05 AM
Sep 2016

Like manual workers 'retiring' into an office/service job at 50+ ?

Response to Albertoo (Reply #133)

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
4. She can't. They are not responding to her because they see her as "mom"...
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 11:22 AM
Sep 2016

The so-called Millennials won't bother showing up at the polls in anything even approaching 50% of their numbers. They are - as all youth vote has been - utterly unreliable. Clinton should stay on message and have surrogates dominate the news cycles every day from now to the election.

Needle Trump on Twitter with Warren. Provoke him.
Hammer Trump with President Obama. Marginalize him.
Harp on his mistakes with Biden. Ridicule him.
Flood the air with his own words. Expose him.

Lather.
Rinse.
Repeat.

Take a page out of Trump's shrew and answer EVERY question with an attack on Trump's character and honesty problem.
The idea that Trump has TWICE given tacit approval for his supporters to kill Hillary Clinton should be THE STORY...and at the debate, the FIRST thing Hillary should do is ask Donald (slyly into a conveniently 'hot' mic) "Why do you want your supporters to kill me, Donald?" Then watch the Talking Yam implode on the debate stage...

Cut this lowlife scumbag pond scum off at the knees and then keep on slicing...

haele

(12,646 posts)
60. It's all media concoction. Clinton's not a cool mom, just as Trump is the crazy rich grandpa.
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 03:50 PM
Sep 2016

What the kidlet's (now reaching her mid-20's) cohort sees is not the "cool mom" who's smart, concerned, and sassy, they see the distant mom with her own career who didn't seem to be as interested in keeping the family together as she is getting that corner office.

The news readers (you know - they used to be journalists, but the journalists all got replaced) - media in general is looking to do whatever they can to grab the most eyes, because the people who own the media are only interested in future revenue. So, disaster porn is the way to go.
Neither care what they're doing - both the news would prefer ten years of political corruption, riots or other social insecurity to breathlessly blather about - to ten years of "slow but steady progress"- when the only interesting things on the news would be the occasional natural disaster or major accident.

So, the news readers are telling the millennial that Hillary Clinton becomes the "Ice Queen" mum who will say or do anything to get what she wants, and Donald Trump is painted as the rich granduncle who "tells it like it is" and really does have their best interests at heart, even though he's a bit bumbling, excitable, and slightly out of touch.
The bet the media is operating on is that millennials are too shallow and dependent on their corporate-owned gadgets and social media to actually question the first bit of gossip they're handed as "fact".

Haele

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
107. Is F.L.O.S. an acronym for replies that represent FULL OF SHIT IN THE OP? nice pic...
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 07:01 AM
Sep 2016

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dmosh42

(2,217 posts)
6. While the DEms seem to have blended Bernies ideas into their platform, Hillary has spent a lot of...
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 11:27 AM
Sep 2016

her time and efforts to getting Republican backers and big donors behind her. Not much focus has gone
to the platform ideas on inequality, college tuitions, environment, etc. Plus the Trump camp has succeeded
in putting Hillary on defense with his constant lies.

comradebillyboy

(10,143 posts)
31. God forbid that Hillary try to broaden the base
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 01:43 PM
Sep 2016

and not tailor her appeal to the most unreliable voting demo.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
85. I understand your sentiment, but there is only so far she can
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 09:13 PM
Sep 2016

Pivot to the right before she starts turning off mainstream progressives. She's getting dangerously to that point.

SCliberal91294

(170 posts)
7. She will get some more back..
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 11:36 AM
Sep 2016

Obama was +23 with Millenials, I see her getting to +17 or so. They will like her policies in the debates.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
11. That's true
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 11:45 AM
Sep 2016

Many I have talked with see their votes as a war protest. I can see their point, but they seriously need to look at the big picture.

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
46. The big picture, good luck with that......
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 02:42 PM
Sep 2016

I honestly don't trust the millenials in showing up to vote for Hillary. Too many of them are near sighted and if they don't see or hear what they want to see or hear, they walk away. They honestly cannot connect the dots.

My apologies to millenials on this board, you are the exception(s). I've met too many millenials who sound like Trump with their bluster.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
57. I don't think it's fair to stereotype them
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 03:39 PM
Sep 2016

I have heard Democrats of all ages sound like Trump with their bluster. One recently quit going to local party events because of hateful disposition towards immigrants was unwelcome.

Donald Trump is a reflection of our culture and particularly the dominant majority. And, they are not millenials. There is one who I have talked to who has fallen prey to a local peacenik guy who protested at an event where Kirsten Gore was speaking. He is a boomer Ralph Nader and Jill Stein supporter.
Many of the Millenial women I know are die hard feminists and since Sanders lost, they are mobilizing to help elect and recruit local candidates. As a matter of fact, there are 2 who represent districts in my area and another we are hoping to elect. Write them off, if you wish, but they are likely to surprise you.

Malekah

(2 posts)
102. Envy brings out the worst in us
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 06:24 AM
Sep 2016
At the last correspondence dinner when Pres O lambasted the small handed guy from the Queens he inadvertently set up this reality show. Case in point. The Little hand man was too angry and afraid that night to say a word or even try to smile but he never forgot. He was livid and he never forgot that slight and the way he was laughed at by the world. He (the small hand ) was never the same.. IMO He does not want to be pres he simply wants to shame the BLACK GUY! However, as a former GOV employee for over 3o yrs I can tell you that the GOV will never allow the small hand to win which is why we have the electoral college..Is this fair? Heck no however, as a ret military vet and citizen who came from Cuba, in the 60's I can tell you that there is a diff between evils! I will also say that my cultures I am Afro Cuban will vote Hillary in! And the EC will do the rest.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
120. I'm not sure what that has to do with stereotyping millenials
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 11:35 AM
Sep 2016

But, the point was they are not a monolithic group and the majority that I have talked with want what is best for the country and know that means keeping Trump out of office. Yet people are trying to preemptively blame them and are pushing a narrative that stereotypes and maligns their intentions. It's counterproductive since we're all in this together.

mountain grammy

(26,613 posts)
74. My daughter and everyone she knows is voting Hillary, and we live in right wing land.
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 07:44 PM
Sep 2016

They're not stupid. They know about climate change and how it'll affect them. They care about the earth and, most of all, they're not haters.

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
9. Hillary will win a majority of voters under 30.
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 11:40 AM
Sep 2016

It might be close to 50% but her margin of victory will be impressive. This is a weird election and she's not really popular with the public (not like Obama) so it's hard to really dominate. But I can see her winning by something like 50-20-20-10. Young people hate Trump.

In a two way race against any other candidate (non Democratic candidate) she would win 60 or 70%. Unfortunately there are more than two names on the ballot.

MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
36. There was some polling done...
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 02:13 PM
Sep 2016
https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/06/07/age-and-race-democratic-primary/

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/huge-split-between-older-younger-blacks-democratic-primary-n580996

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-madrid-california-latino-generational-divide-20160606-snap-story.html

Here's a couple sources I found, if you can use support for Sanders as proxy for enthusiasm for Clinton. From what I remember, he did best with young white voters, beat Clinton with young Hispanic voters (by not as great a margin as young white voters) and did the least well with young black voters, but still better with them than any other age group of black voters.

Couldn't find much information for Asian voters.

Basically, Clinton did less well among all younger demographics than the older version of the same demographic, and there definitely is a racial and generational divide that crosses both ways.

Malekah

(2 posts)
104. Change is possible
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 06:32 AM
Sep 2016

The sad thing and maybe the best thing is that Millennial are all races and many do not find her un electable..Besides Bernie will drive many many to the polls This is just the beginning Trust me HRC will be the next POTUS. Why you may ask Because the Gov is not having a nutcase in the white house and the GOP is not happy with small handed men either..Bernie said it right the election process is heaped in question it is rigged and it is unfair. However it is up to the good Americans to change it! VOTE!

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
12. other than renaming herself Snapchat McInstagram, just keep on promoting her student debt relief
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 11:48 AM
Sep 2016

proposals

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
15. Not good enough.
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 12:30 PM
Sep 2016

I think it's going to take insulting their clothes, hairstyles, and negatively commenting on their anti-war stance, music, and concern for the environment...for good measure.

THAT is what worked during the seventies. By the eighties, the problem was solved. We had Reagan and Yuppies and it was Morning in America.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
16. Gary Johnson wants to do nothing about climate change and college affordability
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 12:37 PM
Sep 2016

But they like him better than Hillary, because he's perceived to be 'cool' in a way that an older woman can never be. Voting for Johnson serves as a social signifier to show that they're too cool for the room, etc.



 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
18. the only way to really cut into Gary Johnson's support is to make
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 12:45 PM
Sep 2016

it uncool to support him.

Part of this means ridiculing the shallow poseurs who are supporting him because Hillary is purportedly too 'centrist.'

People who are preferring Johnson to Clinton (and Stein for that matter) are voting for him for the shallowest of reasons--call them Gary Bros.



 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
26. As too, we would entertain hearing the solutions you may come up with as well...
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 01:38 PM
Sep 2016

As too, we would entertain hearing the solutions you may come up with as well...

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
23. Is There A Correct Way to Speak
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 01:12 PM
Sep 2016

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to those who have hate in their hearts?

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
25. I see you're off to a good start.
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 01:35 PM
Sep 2016

What other labels might you toss about them? One of 'em, surely, will win them over.

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
28. After Being Called
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 01:40 PM
Sep 2016

Last edited Mon Sep 19, 2016, 02:23 PM - Edit history (1)

Shillary, HillBot, A Mental Cripple, stupid, moron, idiot, Democratic whore, whore, sheeple, vagina voter, and the "c" word by the Bros I'm having a hard time with this notion that we treat them with kid gloves.

If a possible Trump presidency isn't enough to win them over - who's fault is that again?



 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
41. I didn't say anything about kid gloves.
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 02:29 PM
Sep 2016

That's the only alternative you have to shaming and insulting?

And threatening them with a Trump admin has been tried over and over again. WHY should they vote for HRC? One reason is the degree that she moved to the left. You may consider highlighting that.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
59. So you think the threat of a Trump administration is useless as persuasion.
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 03:47 PM
Sep 2016

I'll need some time to absorb that, if that is indeed a fact. I had high hopes for the millennial cohort, but if that's true, I guess we have to wait for them to mature some more. Maybe four years of a Trump presidency, Republican control of both houses, and a couple of regressive Supreme Court justices will give them the experiences they need.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
92. Yes. It's useless.
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 12:24 AM
Sep 2016

This isn't your typical election so HRC'S campaign, her surrogates, and her supporters MUST come up with reasons to vote FOR her instead of against Trump

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
100. What is a typical election?
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 06:00 AM
Sep 2016

Obama vs McCain?
Bush vs Kerry?
Bush vs Gore?
Clinton vs Bush I vs Perot?
Reagan vs Mondale?
Reagan vs Carter?
Carter vs Ford?
LBJ vs Goldwater?

All unique. Anyone who has lived through elections over the decades can tell you that.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
45. In other words...
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 02:35 PM
Sep 2016

...you're denigrating millions of people because of your own anecdotal experiences with, what, about handful of them?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
29. No doubt, you'll allow us your own proposals as to how to "win them over" as well, yes?
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 01:42 PM
Sep 2016

No doubt, you'll allow us your own proposals as to how to "win them over" as well, yes?

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
42. Oh, knock it off.
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 02:31 PM
Sep 2016

They don't need to have a better plan to know when someone else's plan is shit. I don't know how to build a fucking green car engine, but I know the ones we have aren't good enough.

JI7

(89,244 posts)
89. that may explain the support for Johnson over Stein
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 12:15 AM
Sep 2016

Stein is an idiot but so is Johnson ("and what is aleppo" ?).

but if these people care about issues why johnson over stein ?

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
43. We Are Their Parents
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 02:34 PM
Sep 2016

Please for the love of Gawd, stop playing the victim card to the nth degree for these kids who want to throw everyone under the bus including the women who pushed them out of their cocoon.

I know so many Hillary parents who tippy toe around their Sanders loving Millennials for fear of being splained too again.

Here's a little history lesson for you - Ross Perot received 20 million votes in 1992 amounting to ZERO electoral votes.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
47. That's a bit dramatic.
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 02:44 PM
Sep 2016

And who, here, is really playing the victim?

And you might consider how many electoral votes Bush lost because of Perot.

haele

(12,646 posts)
63. No, but Ross Perot pulled enough younger republican voters from GHW Bush, allowing
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 04:34 PM
Sep 2016

W. Clinton to win at least two critical states, one of which being California. It's very difficult for a relative unknown to beat an incumbent, no matter how "blah" the incumbent seemed to be.

See, in 1991, Somalia and the Horn of Africa was just starting to blow up (this just after Desert Shield/Desert Storm), and there were already rumors that we might be getting involved as part of NATO in the Balkans. That, along with the bad taste Iran-Contra and the "anti-communist" adventures in South/Central America that could be tied around GHW Bush from his Reagan era operations, along with economic factors such as the S&L debacle, factories closing, manufacturing going overseas - well, many younger republicans - the ones who were born in the 1950's and 1960's - thought that in that environment, Ross Perot would be a good protest vote alternative to the New World Order they saw being built up by the Bircher/Randroid operatives that controlled the Republican party of Nixon/Reagan/Bush.

Older Republicans still voted the party line, but out of the groups of either (sic) Independent voters and 20- to 30-year old Republicans I knew, a full 70% of those who voted cast a ballot for Perot. Perot was actually more of a spoiler for GHW Bush than Nader was for Gore.

Now, Lee Atwater's group had Clinton in their sights long before the Democratic Primary started. As soon as it looked as if he'd be the Democratic nominee, I was hearing variations of "Slick/Hick Willy, "draft-dodging communist operative", "hate the crooked coward, (they) wouldn't shed a tear if someone shoots him before the election" - mostly from supposed independents, who ended up voting for Perot because GHW Bush was just a bit too NWO for them.
They just couldn't imagine their protest vote would actually get their "mortal enemy" elected...

I can easily see much the same thing happening now.

History tells us that with very few exceptions, political and policy change begins at the bottom.
The top tier candidates are very rarely be the ones to actually change the status quo; it's the county commissioners, the local judges, the state representatives, the Congressional races where change and protest votes count.

Here's the deal with the way things run in the United States of America.
The Constitution is set up so that the Will of the people is heard through their Representatives. The President is in charge of the Executive Branch, not the Legislative Branch. If you want your voice to be heard, if you want things to change, vote for your Representatives, don't let the Chamber of Commerce and the Dominionist Mega-Churches elect your Representatives.


If we had a Parliamentary system, it would be different. You can make your protest vote and still have a government that works reasonably well for most people. We'd be Canada. But we're stuck with what we have, unless enough people actually want enough of a civil war to change things.

Haele

demmiblue

(36,838 posts)
13. I'm not surprised.
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 11:48 AM
Sep 2016

I am glad to see the FLOTUS, Warren and Sanders out there stumping for her... that should help.


Calista241

(5,586 posts)
14. IMO, this lack of enthusiasm is a real problem for HRC.
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 11:54 AM
Sep 2016

Trump voters are fucking excited and i'm really concerned that HRC cannot drive the turnout we need to win. Obama is not on the ticket this time, so a revert to the 2004 turnout model is not out of the question.

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
33. Yes
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 01:55 PM
Sep 2016

It doesn't matter if more people would vote for Hillary than Trump if a bunch of the Hillary voters don't bother voting on election Day.

underpants

(182,736 posts)
52. Two main things she had to do
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 03:08 PM
Sep 2016

I've been saying this for 2 years:

Whoever the Dem nominee turned out to be, they had to bring the supporters of their competition (only the pundits there would be no opposition) to vote for them.

Apathy. The Repubs pushed this hard at the beginning. Apathy was going to be a problem across the board.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
19. The relentless misinformation campaign waged at them didn't help.
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 12:52 PM
Sep 2016

Now every time I engage with a younger Millennial (depending on which sociologist you ask, people born my year may or may not be Millennials themselves), I have to hear that "super-predator" open-lie bullshit parroted back at me over and over. Idiot kids; I lived through the 90s. Don't come at me with your know-nothing hindsight purity nonsense.

MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
32. Stop your condescension...
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 01:44 PM
Sep 2016

There are plenty of reasons progressive Millenials don't like Clinton, and I think many of them are very good reasons, not "misinformation". And most will be voting for her anyways, as I am, because we understand how a two party system works, as much as it sickens us, and how tired we are of it.

The primary voters went with a known entity that they knew was not going to generate lots of enthusiasm and that was distrusted and disliked by younger Millenials as far back as 2008. None of this is a surprise.

Meanwhile, it's the older generations that are among Trump's biggest fans. If its generation bashing time, let's start with them. Or, maybe Clinton herself deserves some of the blame, if you want to place it.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
35. Pointing out that "some" Millennials don't have historical perspective on things they used to judge
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 02:01 PM
Sep 2016

isn't "condescension." Just fact.

"Condescension" actually looks like phrases like "as much as it sickens us," in reality. If there's condescension here, it's only because you brought it with you.

MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
39. Your original post speaks for itself...
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 02:25 PM
Sep 2016

and drips in condescension. "Idiot kids", "Every young millennial I talk to" etc. etc. Projection doesn't change that. I'm not being condescending by pointing out many Millenials are not enthusiastic about Clinton or the two party system in general. I'm trying to let you know why Millenials don't like Clinton much even as they are her biggest supporters by generation.

In comparison to Trump we think she's the best, and that's the problem. It takes someone like Trump to get some of us enthused out of fear. Something for the Democratic Party to keep in mind going forward.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
21. It's incredible. This is an election where each candidate is running against the ONLY person
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 01:03 PM
Sep 2016

they could conceivably beat.

MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
40. Considering they're Clinton's biggest support...
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 02:26 PM
Sep 2016

by generation, what does that make the other generations?

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
86. Barring any evidence otherwise, I can only assume you must be a millinnial
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 09:21 PM
Sep 2016

Regardless anyone critical of Clinton's policy must ask themselves what else is there?

Protesting Clinton is counter productive in an election that could have such a dangerous result.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
117. And that's exactly what I'm talking about.
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 09:07 AM
Sep 2016
Protesting Clinton is counter productive in an election that could have such a dangerous result.


That has been more or less the official Democratic argument to young people for at least the fifteen years I've been a registered voter. Whether it's right or wrong, it's a stupid fucking sales pitch. Here's why:

1) It clearly isn't working.

You want to complain about the stupidity and selfishness of the young? It's the same stupidity and selfishness of their parents, and their parents before them. You can sit around complaining that people don't do the right thing, or you can do what all successful politicians across human history have done: satisfy interests. Offer something meaningful.

It doesn't matter whether or not Gary Johnson, Jill Stein, or Donald Trump actually have something to offer young people. What matters is they are perceived to. If you think that makes millennials especially stupid or gullible, well...

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
37. Young people don't want the traditional politician
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 02:18 PM
Sep 2016

Obama was viewed as something different and something new. They viewed him as a change candidate who would shake up Washington because he was young and new to the scene.

Democrats_win

(6,539 posts)
38. Libertarianism is a tremendous threat to America and the world.
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 02:18 PM
Sep 2016

Any support of Libertarianism shows the poor state of our education system. Sadly students do not read the great philosophers like Hobbs or Locke. Wikipedia settles the basic argument over government

"Hobbes postulates what life would be like without government, a condition which he calls the state of nature. In that state, each person would have a right, or license, to everything in the world. This, Hobbes argues, would lead to a "war of all against all" (bellum omnium contra omnes). The description contains what has been called one of the best known passages in English philosophy, which describes the natural state humankind would be in, were it not for political community:


In such condition, there is no place for industry; because the fruit thereof is uncertain: and consequently no culture of the earth; no navigation, nor use of the commodities that may be imported by sea; no commodious building; no instruments of moving, and removing, such things as require much force; no knowledge of the face of the earth; no account of time; no arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death; and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hobbes

The basic tenants of Libertarianism were proven wrong centuries ago. Why are we still having this argument? Because the Libertarians and so-called Conservatives have taken thinking out of our education system in favor of a more "utilitarian" training which is obsolete even before you graduate.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
44. How quaint...
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 02:35 PM
Sep 2016

I remember being their age once and voting for Nader in 2000... Do they really want to re-live those days again?

salin

(48,955 posts)
49. just learned a millenial relative is not voting for pres.... believes
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 02:59 PM
Sep 2016

no one will win, and it will go to Congress, and they will pick someone other than Trump. First I heard of anyone believing that is a plausible possibility (because it isn't.)

treestar

(82,383 posts)
51. Didn't they support Bernie to start with?
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 03:05 PM
Sep 2016

We've heard they don't like Hillary before.

But I thought Don the Con had lost them big time, remembering reading that before.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
71. I heard that too, but maybe Milennialls don't accept that it's a 2 party system.
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 06:12 PM
Sep 2016

They maybe getting ready to answer Rahm's question about the Left's F***ing Re****s, "Where are they gonna go?"

Seems everyone is very concerned about that answer.

Response to Calculating (Original post)

stopbush

(24,395 posts)
58. It's disappointing that any person would take the label of "millennial"
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 03:45 PM
Sep 2016

as the main definer of who they are as a person - not a woman or a college student or a progressive or any other handy label, but a millennial.

Who knew that being born in a certain time frame consigned your mind to group think.

LiberalFighter

(50,856 posts)
64. Millennials are only part of the equation.
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 04:53 PM
Sep 2016

How many millennials are even going to vote?

Look at all of the groups that Trump has demeaned and attacked. Women, immigrants, Latinos/Hispanics, African-Americans, handicapped, LBGT, and many others. She doesn't need to rely solely on millennials. The other groups are more likely to vote and the spread is much bigger that Trump can't repair it.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,228 posts)
66. I venture to say that either of the two Dem primary candidates would be experiencing this lull...
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 05:06 PM
Sep 2016

right now. One candidate managed to fire up millenials, and the other opponent won everyone else. Although enthusiasm was high among millenials, there were HUGE weaknesses with the rest of the Democratic coalition. Now that we're allegedly united, we should all be working toward the same goal. Let's hope the debates offer a newly energized coalition.

Turin_C3PO

(13,952 posts)
68. One thing I don't understand...
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 05:23 PM
Sep 2016

Why do Millennials get more criticism than other groups who are actually largely voting for Trump? Turnout has always been relatively low among the young but at least they're voting in large numbers for Hillary.

phallon

(260 posts)
72. We are scared because
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 07:02 PM
Sep 2016

MSM will use as a wedge that gives aid and comfort to the 30 and up bigots trying to rationalize what politically correct means to them while supporting Republicans. Look at Portman race in Ohio.

TransitJohn

(6,932 posts)
96. They do here because DU's user base skews really old
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 12:47 AM
Sep 2016

compared to the internet, and real life, as a whole.

Il_Coniglietto

(373 posts)
121. Got it in one.
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 12:07 PM
Sep 2016

There are a few of us here, but it's frustrating to be a millennial Hillary supporter (especially on the internet). Shocking, we exist!

The thing is, you have to remember that most of us don't remember the first Clinton Administration. We were children watching cartoons and learning to roller blade. We didn't see how Hillary Clinton was vilified constantly by the Republicans and the press or witnessed any of her successes. Most everything we know about her is through a lens filtered by time and right-wing propaganda.

Actually, if you look at polls that breakdown support by younger millennials and older millennials, Hillary does best with those who may have memories of her as First Lady, and she does poorest with those who don't.

So 30 years of attacks can be a hard wall to knock down. Far too many people I know uncritically repeat the slander they've heard elsewhere, and when you ask them to break down why they feel that way, they can't. The impression is enough.

But I ask those who would throw all millennials under the bus to remember that no generation is homogeneous in thought or behavior. And no generation is perfect.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
75. Millennials have much better BS detectors than boomers
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 08:38 PM
Sep 2016


If Hillary wants to woo them, she needs to get real and cater some ads directly to their demographic.

She needs to highlight the differences between her party and the other party.

And front page reddit threads like this one do not help one bit.

Millennials feel screwed by BOTH parties, and they don't have the discernment or experience to sort out that Democrats will do far more to help them than Republicans will.

The Clinton campaign needs those kids, and she needs to reach them with honesty and a clear message about how she will help them.

To the person saying "weed" is their biggest concern, that's a bunch of horse shit, no offense intended. They are drowning in student loans, unable to move forward as earlier generations did, and they are SICK OF GOVERNMENT CORRUPTION AND DECEIT.

But promising to legalize cannabis will certainly make a few millennials show up at the polls. She has to decide whether protecting pharmcos and the DEA is going to get her more votes than promising an end to the failed drug war. This has less to do with wanting to use weed than with wanting to see an end to mass incarceration of young people over a goddamned plant, and the resultant cost to young people and young families when we jail people for victimless crimes. Kids DO think that is a bunch of crap only benefitting the rich, and they see Hillary as continuing that farce and disaster of a public policy.

The ball is in her court.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
76. the Clintons are a product of and for another generation
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 08:42 PM
Sep 2016

The perfect boomer "power couple" doesn't resonate the same way millennials and Jr. Xers the way it did with the professional middle class boomer a quarter-century ago. The woman "trail blazer" doesn't necessarily resonate with young women either.

Millennials globally are basically going one of two ways:

1. Political Superstars: Obama, Trudeau etc.
2. Foaming at the mouth radicals: Corbyn, Bernie etc.

Hillary Clinton is neither, she just comes across exactly as Romney did. Someone going through the motions so they can collect their perceived birthright.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
84. Trump isn't making that much of an effort
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 09:09 PM
Sep 2016

Romney and Hillary at least sort of say the right things, even if they come across aloof and alien.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
111. That's why he is just going threw the motions...
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 07:36 AM
Sep 2016

He is just doing the bare minimum to collect on what he thinks his birthright. You described that as a trait of Hillary, but I really think that describes Trump. Plus, no woman could think the presidency is her birthright since no woman has ever been elected. That doesn't make sense.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
122. Trump isn't even doing that much,
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 12:41 PM
Sep 2016

I think Trump's campaign is the product of his hypersensitivity of his social standing, which among the "1%" has always been laughable. I think his campaign was probably born out of a confrontation in a country club locker room where Trump poked some billionaire in the chest and said "I am going to burn your world to the ground".

I think the Trump campaign is basically Trump trying to give the people who rejected him and his father fatal indigestion.

And yes, Hillary 100% believes she is entitled to be President, she has been surrounded by sycophants for the last thirty years telling her that.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
124. Thinking you deserve to be president
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 12:59 PM
Sep 2016

because of decades of experience working in government is not the same as thinking you have a birthright to be president. The candidates that seem to come across as "I ought to be president because I was born into privilege" are rich white guys like Trump.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
77. Coming out more strongly for legalization of cannabis would be an easy and smart move
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 08:46 PM
Sep 2016

It would bring in a lot of millennials and enthuse more, its supported by a majority of Americans, and since CA is probably going to legalize, something is going to NEED to be done to reconcile the conflict between federal and state law.

Unfortunately, the east coast tends to lag about 5 years, culturally, behind the west, and too many beltway types still think legal pot is a big joke.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
99. It's a good question. One thing, it's possible GJ is more accessible. He certainly gets more airtime
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 12:53 AM
Sep 2016

also, although some people -particularly boomers- may roll their eyes and get all heavy sigh indignant over notions of "freedom", etc, the fact is that the 'no nanny or daddy state' rhetoric of the Libertarian Party is decidedly appealing to a broad swath of Americans, particularly younger ones- who see that the past several decades; particularly due to the drug war- have led to an unprecedented destruction of the bill of rights and encroachments on personal freedom.

They hear people on 'the left' who are in perpetual temper tantrum mode over things like internet pornography or full frontal nudity on HBO. They don't understand why the government seems to care what size sodas people drink.

Now, when I was that age- late teens, early 20s- we were up to our ass in Reagan and Falwell and the Moral Majority. With the possible exception of Andrea Dworkin playing patty-cake with Ed Meese, the left WAS the side that was standing up for personal freedom and liberty, in the face of theocratic and authoritarian bullshit.

But these kids, in particular, they don't really remember what it was like to have right wingers running the show. They don't understand for every annoying pseudo-authoritarian on the "left", there are 20 ACTUAL fascists, on the right.

And unfortunately IMHO those of us on the progressive side of things haven't done a good enough job communicating that we are the people standing up for free speech, ending the drug war, the right of people to make their own decisions about what do do with and inside their own bodies, bedrooms, bloodstreams, etc.

So the Greens may not seem as appealingly "change" oriented as, say, the libertarians might. Now, we know how full of shit they are, even if they're right about something like the drug war--- they also want to privatize fire departments and do away with the FDA.

But again, someone hasn't done a very good job of messaging what we actually stand for. It's a shame.

demmiblue

(36,838 posts)
87. According to your link, 65 or older is showing the strongest support.
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 09:23 PM
Sep 2016

Also, 32% of that age group (18-39) is not committed to voting for either Clinton or Trump.

In the 2008 election, 66% of the 18-29 year old age group voted for Obama.

There is definitely room for improvement.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
112. The problem is, she's not Obama. Obama ran to her left in 2008, and won
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 07:44 AM
Sep 2016

the GE twice by more than 50% of the vote. The first president to do so since Eisenhower.

This is why I shake my head when baby-boomers say that America is right of center and the path to victory is turning against liberal ideas and pivoting towards progressivism.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
123. It's a weird election - people are at sea.
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 12:42 PM
Sep 2016

I will get a raft of accusations if I expand on that, so I'll leave it at that.

eniwetok

(1,629 posts)
88. HIllary's loss started about 3 weeks ago
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 09:27 PM
Sep 2016

In 3 weeks Hillary's lost 17% of the 18-34 age group while Johnson has gained 13%. And they are not going to Stein. Here are two Quinniapiac polls

SOURCE:
Aug 20th https://www.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us08252016_U88mxwn.pdf
Sept 14th https://www.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us09142016_U27xtpb.pdf

AGE IN YEARS 18-34
Clinton 48% > 31%
Trump 24% > 26%
Johnson 16% > 29%
Stein 11% > 4%

The questions differ a bit between the two polls... but they're essentially the same

6. If the election for President were being held today, and the candidates were Hillary Clinton the Democrat, Donald Trump the Republican, Gary Johnson the Libertarian, and Jill Stein the Green party candidate, for whom would you vote?


4. If the election for President were being held today, and the candidates were Hillary Clinton the Democrat, Donald Trump the Republican, Gary Johnson the Libertarian, and Jill Stein the Green party candidate, for whom would you vote? (If undecided) As of
today, do you lean more toward Clinton, Trump, Johnson, or Stein?



LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
94. Oh good, another thread where a bunch of senior citizens scold Kids Today.
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 12:39 AM
Sep 2016

It's always abundantly obvious that nobody involved in the discussion has actually talked to a Millenial for longer than it took to order coffee, but everybody thinks they're an expert on them because they read something written by a Boomer.

Tomorrow can we have a thread about how they don't know how to music? Or is it a panic about their sex lives?

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
113. It's a perverse reciprocity, at the end of the day.
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 07:49 AM
Sep 2016

They dump the blame for the shit they've done off on us now, but as soon as they turn sixty, they'd better hold on to every strand of cognitive function they got, or they're getting dumped in a home. (The panic over our sex lives seems to firmly be a Republican trope, however.)

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
116. Ok, what's your recommended length of time for talking to a Millennial
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 08:40 AM
Sep 2016

so a person can say they've talked to a Millennial? If a millennial tells you what they're thinking inside of a few minutes, is that disqualifying? Must we discard that information as not true?

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
127. Long enough to know better than to broad brush.
Wed Sep 21, 2016, 08:17 AM
Sep 2016

Cause I could say anyone over the age of like thirty-five is a traditionally repressed, sex-negative, barely-better-than-a-technological Luddite with a taste for fossil fuels and harmful Abrahamic religion, but I'd be wrong.

Ilsa

(61,692 posts)
105. I don't think millenials understand the
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 06:43 AM
Sep 2016

Problems Libertarians wouuld bring us. Maybe we need some targeted ads on what Libertarians would destroy in our country.

aikoaiko

(34,165 posts)
106. I don't think a new initiative on millennial issues will do much good
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 06:55 AM
Sep 2016

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Any big epiphany on weed or other issues will be viewed as a cynical move which is the lens through which she is viewed by millennialist.

MichMan

(11,900 posts)
110. Part of the problem
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 07:34 AM
Sep 2016

Many see her as a continuation of the Obama administration. While everyone agrees that the Student loan system is a time bomb, no one seems interested in doing a damn thing about it. I don't recall Hillary working with the current administration to reform it until Sanders made it a key issue. Now it does seem like pandering to some I have spoken with.

Mine are all paid off, but where has she been on this issue the last 4 years?

114. Hate to have to count on this, but
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 07:53 AM
Sep 2016

it seems to me many millenials are of a sort that'll only come out en masse if it seems the circus sideshow candidate is actually going to win, or something else (weed?) big on their agenda is at stake. WOuldn't be at all surprised at a considerable amount of panic johnson -> clinton switching if it looks neck and neck.

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
119. Should be easy to draw them in then
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 11:29 AM
Sep 2016

Right? Not sure why Hillary has been so skittish about the issue saying "we need more research" and such. We've had nearly 100 years of research and it's all more or less concluded that cannabis is less harmful than alcohol and certainly less harmful than tobacco.

The issue is supported by a majority of the public, and a HUGE percentage of millennials who see the WoD as the corrupt revenue generation and control scheme that it is. I wish Hillary would actually LEAD on this particular issue, rather than taking her 'on the fence' stance.

Her hesitation to take a stance on the issue just leads to unnecessary speculation that she's in bed with big pharma, big LE/Prison and the DEA. Trustworthiness is one of the big things her campaign has been struggling with. What better way to stick it to the haters?

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
126. When Hillary wins, she should thank
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 01:56 PM
Sep 2016

the Russian hackers. Why?

Because one of the most vocal and arrogant voices to keep Marijuana Illegal came from a state that voted more than 50% to legalize it, Florida.

In other words, she should be thankful the mails allowed her to dump Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

Javaman

(62,510 posts)
135. first fix sallie mae.
Wed Sep 21, 2016, 10:55 AM
Sep 2016

sallie mae was privatized by President Clinton in 1997. But sadly was allowed to keep the name.

since then it has become a massive corporation for profit on the backs of students.

it was spun off into it's own entity in 2014 but still is a for profit private entity that makes money off of student debt.

go back to it's original purpose as it was set up in 1972 as a government backed loan.

There, fixed.

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