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Is this really beneficial to the cause? All I see it doing is driving more whites to white supremacist thinking.
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LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Is this really beneficial to the cause?"
Who specifically is arguing that it is in fact, beneficial?
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)
TampaAnimusVortex
(785 posts)I thought it pretty obvious the op meant the aggressors do so under the banner of 'the cause".
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Why is it I knew exactly what was meant?"
Possibly because we always seem to "know" that which precisely validates our biases, regardless of what we may allege otherwise...
TampaAnimusVortex
(785 posts)I think anyone over the age of 5 understood exactly what was meant. Only you and one other poster seemed confused about how they stated it, and my guess is that it's an intentional "misunderstanding" - to support your bias of course.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)How do we know she's not already a white supremacist.
B2G
(9,766 posts)Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Did she hit one of them before the video started?
Egnever
(21,506 posts)If someone hits me first, I'm hitting back twice as hard, and not stopping. It's called self defense.
B2G
(9,766 posts)Disgusting.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)Exilednight
(9,359 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)How do you figure that?
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Everyone on who has replied is acting like they have a law degree, but it's obvious no one does.
melman
(7,681 posts)that if someone hits you, you then have license to do whatever you want. No limit.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)Neutralized in a self-defense situation cannot be considered excessive.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)Exilednight
(9,359 posts)There's nothing in law that says equal force is illegal.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)
Orrex
(63,172 posts)Thanks for the tip, counselor.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)based on what was used in the attack.
No weapon would be considered assault and battery, even if they fail to land the blow. Aggravated assault is when someone attempts to more than just threaten you, so if they land the blow it is aggravated assault and battery which can be charged as a felony in every state.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)Orrex
(63,172 posts)A lawyer told me so, and he assures me that he passed the bar in four states.
Hell, you can also probably kill your attacker's family and pets, burn his house to the ground and push his car into the river. Why not? Your alleged assailant allegedly assaulted you, after all, so feel free to cut loose on him.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)2.1. Self-defense or defense of someone else
One very common form of justifiable homicide is a killing committed to defend oneself, or someone else, from death or serious injury.27
This kind of justifiable homicide is a type of the broader legal defense of California self-defense laws . . . which can apply not just to murder or manslaughter but to other crimes as well.28
In order to successfully make the case that a homicide was justifiable because of self-defense, a defendant has to show that the following things were true when the killing occurred:
The defendant reasonably believed that s/he or someone else was in imminent danger of being killed, suffering great bodily injury, or being the victim of a "forcible and atrocious" crime;
The defendant reasonably believed that s/he needed to use deadly force to prevent that from happening.
Orrex
(63,172 posts)You have a cartoonish grasp of what "serious injury" means.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)who is a member of the bar in CA without having ever gone to law school.
If I slap you once in anger, is there a chance that I will hit you again and seriously injure you? How do you know I didn't mean to slap you in the throat and just missed. A slap to the back of the neck can cause sever nerve damage. A slap that gtazes the eyes can cause blindness. A slap to the temple can kill you.
Need I go on?
Orrex
(63,172 posts)Is it your assertion that, if a person slaps you, then you are justified in beating that person to death?
Okay, one more question: if I call you a sad buffoon, will you sue me?
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)My mom can slap me and get away with it.
I wouldn't have to sue you. Small minds are the ones who call people names.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)Is serious or not. It certainly seems like he (I'm assuming) is suggesting deadly force is justifiable and legally permissible in any self defense situation. I'm having considerable difficulty believing that.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Technically? Yes.
In reality? No.
At what point do you consider someone no longer a threat? If someone gets a six month sentence for assaulting you, are they no longer a threat to you on day 181? My argument, based on past experience, is yes they are still a threat to me. The last thing I want is some vindictive SOB going after my family because they assaulted me and got their ass handed to them.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)A threat, and at what point your action in self defense becomes excessive and unjustifiable. I interpret what you wrote as an intentention to kill based on the potentiality of future harm AFTER the immediate threat has been neutralized. In all honesty, I can't imagine beating someone to death after an open handed slap and expecting to be allowed to go on my way.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)what a jury says.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)And for that to go to trial. Let us know if this happens, I would follow such a trial with keen interest.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Over the past three years justifiable homicide has seen double digit increases as a reason not to prosecute.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Exilednight
(9,359 posts)jmg257
(11,996 posts)about justification.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)What is imminent to you may not be to me.
You're attempting to deal in absolutes and courts deal in the grey areas.
If someone pulls a BB gun on you, are you justified in shooting and killing them with a .357, even though you know it's a BB gun?
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Especially one as prominent as "imminent".
Killing someone who punched you because 181 days from now he may look to take his revenge?...CLEARLY NOT "imminent danger".
Just not that grey a term.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Past, present and future.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Even a normal dictionary describes it as "about to happen".
Scary.
Orrex
(63,172 posts)Regardless, you didn't open by telling us all about the charges your imaginary assailant would face; you declared that you had the right to respond with astonishing violence ("twice as hard, and not stopping"
after an attack.
Either you're not actually a lawyer or you're a terrible lawyer if you think that an assault gives you unrestricted licence to respond with violence. I'd like to see the precedent that you'd cite in mounting such a defense.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)
bighart
(1,565 posts)Last edited Thu Sep 22, 2016, 05:46 PM - Edit history (1)
Until what point:
Someone pulls you off?
Until they are unconscious?
Until they require medical aid?
Until your anger is satisfied?
Until they are comatose?
Until they are dead?
Just not sure what ""I'm hitting back twice as hard, and not stopping" means.
And there is a point when self defense turns into assault and battery.
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)"If someone hits me first, I'm hitting back twice as hard, and not stopping. It's called self defense."
No, not stopping when a threat is no longer present is assault, or if they perish, manslaughter or potentially even murder.
Rex
(65,616 posts)nt
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Disproportionate force doesn't mean what you think it means.
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)How can you morally justify going rampage on someone far beyond the point of self defense?
"I'm hitting back twice as hard, and not stopping." - Please elaborate on what you mean by "not stopping". Someone who is a near physical equal, or physically superior who is maintaining resistance is different than someone you are overwhelming, and or surrenders early on.
If you just keep going for ego and emotion, when continued fighting is unnecessary to self preservation, then that is evil, regardless of the initial trigger, and regardless of any politically or socially disgusting opinions your victim may hold.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)It's there's. I've dealt with this when I was a child, and I'll never deal with it as an adult.
It actually got to a point when I was a child that I had to have protection from the state police. Try going to school with two armed officers who follow you around all day.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Marengo
(3,477 posts)Marengo
(3,477 posts)Orrex
(63,172 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)
jmg257
(11,996 posts)
bighart
(1,565 posts)"If someone hits me first, I'm hitting back twice as hard, and not stopping. It's called self defense."
At what point WOULD you stop your so-called self defense?
Marr
(20,317 posts)If anyone asked for 'context' in a similar situation with the skin colors reverse, you'd be screaming.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)It's just a video of some kids having a fight in a parking garage.
There was a lot of ugly back and forth last night between bystanders and protesters. I know people of all ages, races and social class who were there. It was chaotic, largely due to mishandling by the police.
Protesters were there for one reason, to get answers about the death of Keith Scott. Things got out of hand after the police used tear gas and pepper balls on protesters without warning and then shot a guy in the head at close range with a rubber bullet (we think, since no live rounds were fired by anyone, per multiple eye-witness accounts). After that, things got out of hand.
Some would like to make this conflict about black vs. white, but it is not. It is about justice-loving citizens of Charlotte demanding transparency and accountability from their public servants.
mwrguy
(3,245 posts)Not protesters.
So much BS I don't know where to start.
There were about 800 well behaved protestors. The other 100 were out of control.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)I wasn't, but know three people, personally, who were present last night and were on Tryon when the "rioting" started. One activist/organizer, one minister and one young man who works for me. One was so close, he came away with blood and brain matter on his clothing from the guy who was shot with the rubber bullet. Only two know each other. All their separate stories corroborate. Mayhem instigated by the police when they launched tear gas on disorganized but peaceful protesters with no warning. A guy seriously injured. Two think (independently) that it was a rubber bullet shot at close range. One is not sure how he was injured. All three agree there was no live ammunition fired by either police, protesters or bystanders.
Or you can listen the Rev. Robin Tanner's account, which also corroborates the three individuals I personally know. The entire video is good, but Tanner's account begins at about 21 minutes.
http://livestream.com/accounts/5188266/events/6385839/videos/136541684
One young AA man I know tried to get away from the mayhem by cutting through Epicenter and was called any number of horrible racist things by bystanders. Another group of mixed race protesters had a gun brandished at them by a bystander in a car. So who knows what was going down in the parking garage or what precipitated that encounter or if those people were even involved in the protest. All sorts of random people hang out around that area at night.
You know what is bullshit? The video the OP posted. I saw it multiple times when I searched the #CharlotteProtest hashtag on Facebook. It is making the rounds on Twitchy, Conservative Book Club and Europa Rising. Why it is still up here, I do not understand, but there is clearly an agenda. The OP has no idea who is and is not "innocent". Like Blue_Tires said, there is no context for that video. And seeing who is posting it around the interwebs speaks loudly.
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)cleveramerican
(2,895 posts)NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)would you be asking for context?
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Anybody with half a brain would.
Videos can reveal, videos can deceive.
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Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)What could be the context that would make that sort of behavior acceptable?
Bonx
(2,051 posts)
PersonNumber503602
(1,134 posts)Assaulting the protesters would be another story.
Bonx
(2,051 posts)Otherwise he wouldn't have been assaulted. Surprising that he took on a crowd of 15 or so on his own. Must be a really crazy racist.
Ace Rothstein
(3,143 posts)It wouldn't be the first time that happened during a riot. One of them shoved a reporter to the ground on live TV.
narnian60
(3,510 posts)Ace Rothstein
(3,143 posts)I just brought that up because it was an unprovoked attack.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)PersonNumber503602
(1,134 posts)Just be clear, I'm not saying it's likely he did something to warrant to being attacked. I have no idea what happened, and I lean more toward him not being the one who initiating physical contact (but that's just an assumption based on how stupid it would be for a lone person to do that to a crowd of people)
Caliman73
(11,725 posts)Someone drunk or just driven to rage starts problems with a group or someone larger than them self. You are thinking rationally. When you are full of adrenaline and testosterone you can do some dumb stuff.
I am not condoning violence or making any judgement on what happened, just adding that I have personally seen people start physical violence with groups of other people.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)Then can assault you?
Bonx
(2,051 posts)MicaelS
(8,747 posts)Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Quote from the photographer of the video (who is black)
It's ok to peaceful protest but when you start looting, beating up innocent people because of race, and tearing up the city you live in NOW that's a real issue! Yes the killing of that man was wrong AF but 2 wrongs don't make it right IDGAF what color race you are. Yall steady screaming #BlackLivesMatter but yet your killing your own people over the dumbest stuff how TF do you expect others to respect your March when your showing the world your no better 💯 it's a difference between protesting and provoking WAKE UP
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Who is arguing appropriate context would make it acceptable?
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)
TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)Asking for full context before rushing to judgement is nowhere near the same as using that context as an excuse for violence.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Someone begging for mercy as a crowd pummels him doesn't meet that threshold.
TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)Reading is fundamental.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)What context could justify what we have seen?
melman
(7,681 posts)although I think # 9 is sarcastic.
But it's all over this thread, anyone can see that. Those that pretend it's not are just playing a game.
melman
(7,681 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)
sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)it fucks up a lot of worthy causes.
Warpy
(111,138 posts)is if the cops wouldn't show up unless a peaceful protest had degenerated into a riot. Staying out of sight on side streets would be beneficial.
Showing up armed and in riot gear at a protest while it's peaceful only escalates the situation and makes rioting inevitable. Odd how that works.
Another thing that would be beneficial is if the peaceful protesters would simply leave the scene as soon as a few jerks turn violent. Melt away down alleys and side streets. At least there used to be alleys in that area when I lived there. Let the cops cope with the dozen or so violent jackasses instead of having hundreds of peaceful people caught in the crossfire.
It's never going to happen that way, of course. Cops want to convince themselves they're in control of every situation. No civilian wants to be pushed around by a cop.
And so it goes.
This country has a hell of a lot to learn about nonviolence.
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)
ileus
(15,396 posts)I won't take a knee in worship for any cause but at church.
My countrys flag I proudly stand for and along with millions of others shed blood for.
The kneeling cause is not the fault of 330 million countrymen, but a few government employees that need not be employed in the law enforcement profession. Protest your President, your AG, your Legislators, your Governor, Mayor that employs those unfit for the job, but don't expect the country to embrace your protests as they are divisive and dangerous. To call 330 million 'innocent' people not innocent because they won't kneel in subservience is ridiculous as those that are kneeling which to most means worshipping, in this case the flag they bemoan has failed them.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)"shed blood" for a piece of cloth. The only meaning a flag has is the meaning that people put into it. When someone becomes a soldier, the last thing they ever think about defending is a piece of cloth that people put ritualistic value behind.
We become soldiers for many different reasons, but I have yet to hear someone say that they did it for the flag. The flag is just a marketing symbol and the national anthem is a jingle. Especially after the last two wars. You can thank corporate politics for that.
DustyJoe
(849 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)DustyJoe
(849 posts)I did not take note of the question mark on your line and assumed without needed reading comprehension that it was a statement.
BootinUp
(47,076 posts)
DrDan
(20,411 posts)a small issue in the grand scheme of things - and hence not something to be concerned about.
MineralMan
(146,254 posts)draw any conclusions, really. And nobody has said it was beneficial to anything. How about coming back and replying to some of the people who have taken the time to respond to your original post? That'd be great.
Calculating
(2,955 posts)What kind of context would justify that savage beat down? Did he call them bad names or something? I can't imagine him going out of his way to start shit with an angry group of 10-15 individuals.
MineralMan
(146,254 posts)Not me.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)MineralMan
(146,254 posts)I didn't use that word or anything like it. I asked for context, which didn't exist.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I don't get the justification stuff, where are people saying this was okay? I asked and got no reply in return. Context matters when you make a bold claim like the OP did.
MineralMan
(146,254 posts)I'm always interested in the context in place when the video was made. Sometimes people use videos out of context to try to make some point, even when the video has nothing to do with an event.
In this case, we really don't know the context, so I asked.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Some are asking in what context did that happen and are being told go look for it themselves. Not very encouraging imo.
jalan48
(13,841 posts)
tenderfoot
(8,425 posts)Calculating
(2,955 posts)That's not even how I came across it. I actually came across this on the political discussion area of a tech related website.
tenderfoot
(8,425 posts)Don't peddle right-wing talking points, smears, or sources
Do not post right-wing talking points or smears. Do not post content sourced from right-wing publications, authors, or pundits. Exceptions are permitted if you provide a clear reason for doing so that is consistent with the values of this website.
Why we have this rule: News media and the Internet are already awash with conservative propagandists attacking our candidates and our values -- we're not interested in providing them with another outlet. We understand that many of our members might hold some conservative viewpoints on isolated issues, but nobody here should be parroting hateful garbage from the RNC, the NRA, or the Family Research Council. Forum members should expect that the only time they'll have to read a right-wing smear or an article from Breitbart is when someone is pointing and laughing at it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice
Calculating
(2,955 posts)However this is a youtube video. It's hardly from an official right wing source just because the guy who started the channel supports Trump. As I've said, I came across the video and posted it because I felt it was relevant to the current situation in Charlotte. The same video is probably posted in several hundred other youtube channels by now.
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,311 posts)
Kingofalldems
(38,421 posts)Why are you posting Trump propaganda on DU?
Calculating
(2,955 posts)Would it make you feel better if I found the exact same video from somewhere else. It's a damn youtube video. There's nothing inherently political or biased about it. It's simply a recording of actual events which happened.
tenderfoot
(8,425 posts)eom
jonno99
(2,620 posts)tenderfoot
(8,425 posts)very trollish behavior.
Calculating
(2,955 posts)Of those demanding to know the context. There's no context which possibly justifies a group beating on a lone individual short of him pulling a gun or something.
tenderfoot
(8,425 posts)Just some random clip to prove some point or another.
B2G
(9,766 posts)What are you talking about?
tenderfoot
(8,425 posts)shocking!
Black people are just violent animals... see the proof is right there!
jonno99
(2,620 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)Said local is black.
Google it yourself.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Some vile, nasty stuff on that page. Including this video! Hmmmm....
sheshe2
(83,645 posts)Of well armed officers shooting an unarmed black man with his hands in the air either, Calculating. Correct?
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Again, who specifically is arguing that what is shown in the video is in fact, beneficial as you imply in the OP? Or are you simply making that argument to have something to argue against?
Calculating
(2,955 posts)That the rioters in this particular video do not directly represent BLM. However, they should stop and consider how many people watching the video are going to associate their behavior with BLM. In effect, they're indirectly doing harm to the cause.
rockfordfile
(8,695 posts)linuxman
(2,337 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)That is really sad.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)I suppose you never considered white people just as capable of beating someone to death. Telling.
Very telling.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)I looked at the video and thought "man, a group of people beating kicking my head in would be quite a threat".
You looked at it and saw a race-specific scenario. Could you even imagine taking place with white aggressors? I don't think you were able to, so you suggested that if a gun owner didn't want to get his/her brains dashed in, they are only concerned about blacks doing it. Not cool Hoyte, even for you. That type of one dimensional think is pretty telling. Reminds me of my grandpa.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)linuxman
(2,337 posts)Own it hoyt.
I mean, you technically already do, but doing so formally would be nice. I won't hold my breath.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Check out gun fancier websites too. Who is pushing Stand You Ground and similar BS?
Do you think the NRA, militia groups, etc., are Civil Rights activists or something.?
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)aren't fooling anyone.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)They never leave the house. Do I qualify as a "gun nut" to you? Be honest now.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)
?w=460
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)
There! Black people have guns, too!
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)of those photos was in response to ignorant white wingers carrying guns a Chipotle.
These are the the armed folk we better worry about:
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XemaSab
(60,212 posts)In 2013, White people murdered about 2,700 people and Black people murdered about 2,600 other people.
Looks like you're at risk from both groups.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)to racists with guns than anything else. It's kind of like some white winger saying, "why do 'the Blacks' have to have their own Prom or beauty pageant." Well, maybe because for decades they weren't welcomed at white wingers' proms, beauty pageants, universities, etc.
stone space
(6,498 posts)
pintobean
(18,101 posts)How is self defense creepy?
stone space
(6,498 posts)Posters who announces that this is the reason why they carry don't belong here at DU.
They belong on some Trump/NRA forum.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)I'm not sure your opinion on that is worth the electrons you used. I mean you're entitled to it, but it seems pretty worthless, frankly. I carry everyone legally permitted. I advocate for self defense. You advocate against it. Very progressive of you.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Second Amendment rights apply to all of us, including Democrats. The poster is discussing legal activity. Everyone has the right to defend themselves.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)Not as creepy as revisiting weeks old posts, or as creepy as getting my head kicked in by some unrestrained assholes who I'm there to support, who then steal my wallet, but sure...
stone space
(6,498 posts)It really is.
You are comparing rotten apples with oranges.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)Especially when a gang of violent thieves nearly kick someone to death in a parking garage. Clearly having agency to prevent that sort of thing offends your delicate sensibilities. Tough
Mc Mike
(9,111 posts)And of course, the repug party wants riots in our cities through the summer, in order to keep running their orange nazi on his "law and order" platform.
Motley13
(3,867 posts)someone that is giving info, like it or not.
"I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
Some here prefer to ridicule.
B2G
(9,766 posts)So they shoot the messenger.
Same as it ever was.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)The OP claims that the video / information is available elsewhere ... why not use those sources?
if the use of a right wing site was accidental and the video is available on a mainstream site the OP could have easily edited their post and added links to a site where it would not be offensive to direct traffic to.
melman
(7,681 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)One only needs to look at it (the link at the actual vid) ... I do not appreciate being directed to racist, bigoted, disgusting youtube channels. We should be able to click on links at DU without giving traffic to hate site videos and channels
the link to the youtube vid takes us someplace really vile
BootinUp
(47,076 posts)linuxman
(2,337 posts)What context would excuse a group of people chasing a man down, trying to kick his head in, ignoring his pleas for mercy, and ignoring it to keep inflicting serious bodily injury and possibly death? Seriously. What could have possibly preceded this that would make you go "Huh, I guess he deserves that."?
Something tells me a group of white folks doing this to a POC wouldn't get that same benefit of the doubt. "Wait now, hang on! We don't know what he did to them! Maybe he said something mean! Maybe he assaulted every member of the group that's trying to kill him!"
Yeah, fuck that.
B2G
(9,766 posts)linuxman
(2,337 posts)Are you in NC?
B2G
(9,766 posts)My oldest kid lives a mile from this shit show. I'm about 10 miles from there.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)Word is they're protesting in the suburbs this weekend. Things could get very tense. An understatement.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)They are coming to getcha in Ballantyne! Stay safe 
B2G
(9,766 posts)wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Matthews? Go barricade yourselves into South Park Mall. Maybe they will leave the Cinnabon open. Everyone can get a free makeover at Nordstrom after.
B2G
(9,766 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Sounds like a few are desperate for a certain narrative.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)pointing it out again for you would be a colossal waste of time. Pretty sure that would count as a personal call-out as well.
Rex
(65,616 posts)The OP made a certain claim with a video that shows no proof of said claim. We know these folks are rioting or protesting? Funny, some of you are the very same folks always demanding we wait for more proof of a claim...but okay, this time is different.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)I'm not going to waste my time trying to point out anything for the willfully ignorant.
Have a nice night.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Fine. Makes it that much easier.
Marr
(20,317 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)We asked for context, because the OP made a bold claim...don't play dumb.
Marr
(20,317 posts)And you know it.
Rex
(65,616 posts)And you know it.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Has nothing to do with the actions being right or wrong. The title is also "innocents", not innocent man, not man, etc. implying this is more widespread, but I just see the one video of one person getting attacked in a place I don't recognize. It being linked to a right wing site, when right wing sources have shown false footage of protests and riots numerous times before means you can't just post a video like that without skepticism that it's as strightforward as is being claimed.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)But I'm referring to the comments about "Who knows what he said or did before this?" and that kind of BS.
Also, call me crazy, but I doubt someone was just saving this video for the next riot. I have no reason to doubt it's authenticity, though I suppose anything is possible. The fact remains, people in this thread are trying to minimize and excuse the act in and of its self.
ecstatic
(32,648 posts)when it's a black person who was beat up or gunned down?
BTW, I didn't look at the video and don't plan to.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)ecstatic
(32,648 posts)and not one of the people who urges everyone to "wait for the facts" when video footage shows a law abiding citizen being murdered by cops.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)But there are plenty in this thread giving the ol' "I don't know what preceded this beating, so I can't say anything!" nonsense, which is what I was referring to.
When video shows it clearly, no, I don't. When there is no video, You bet your ass.
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)picking on someone at random?
romanic
(2,841 posts)BUT
I've watched a couple livestreams of what's gone down in Charlotte and people on here talking bout "context" need to have several damn seats.
These morans looting and shooting and knocking out CNN reporters don't give anymore fucks about that guy than the cops who shot them did. All they want is a chance to hit a cop, play "race war" and steal honey buns from the nearby corner store. -_-
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Rex
(65,616 posts)Showing something without any context then making a bold claim can be a very bad idea, as we see with this OP.
tenderfoot
(8,425 posts)eom
Calculating
(2,955 posts)...
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Checking Calculating's journal shows numerous posts made drawing attention to police brutality. I don't think Calculating was intentionaly trying to cause any trouble.
Calculating
(2,955 posts)Because you disagree with the message? The video is non narrated and entirely unbiased. The purpose is merely to show something which happened. Shall we all bury our heads in the sand and pretend that things aren't getting out of hand?
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NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)Pure and simple
I hope they spend a long time in prison.
Wednesdays
(17,311 posts)nt
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)There is no excuse for rioting. None. These rioters don't give a shit about the guy who was shot; they just want to do some rioting.
sheshe2
(83,645 posts)There is no excuse for shooting unarmed black men with their hands in the air. None. These officers don't give a shit about the guy who was shot; they just want to do some killing.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)sheshe2
(83,645 posts)Wrong.
Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)Why on DU would anyone feel compelled to demand punishment for rioters while remaining silent about the judicially-condoned open season for cops on black males?
No justice NO peace
sheshe2
(83,645 posts)jack_krass
(1,009 posts)wildeyed
(11,243 posts)There is no excuse for shooting innocent people. None. These police don't give a shit about the guy who was shot; they just want to bust some heads.
But seriously, not saying I condone violence, but please remember why it started.
romanic
(2,841 posts)Agree 1000 percent.
Wednesdays
(17,311 posts)Very calculating.
I'm enjoying the chorus of sock puppets.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Earlier today, there was a story in Raw Story about how a video, allegedly of Charlotte rioters kicking the crap out of a white man, that later turned out to be old video from London.
Wednesdays
(17,311 posts)Don't question the narrative.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Who knows the context. That area is busy at all hours. Bars, restaurants, theaters letting out. I was walking around down there on Saturday night. There was professional bull riding at the coliseum so hordes of people in cowboy boots and big hair driving in from out of town for that. Festival of India was on Tryon St., complete with drums, sparkly outfits and wonderful smelling food all up and down the street. Masses people were wandering around playing Pokemon Go. Bars going full throttle with tippy young women in tall heels walking from one to the next. Street preachers who wanted me to find Jesus. People coming and going through the Transit Center. Public transport is a shit show in this city. If you want to take a bus anywhere, you have to change busses in the Transit to get there. Homeless, wealthy, young, old, drunk, sober, black, white and everything in between.
Who know when that video was taken. If it was during the protest, who knows if any of those people were associated with "the cause". Total bullshit.
I can go find the vid of the white guy in a car waving a gun at random people during the protest too. Sure as shit no excuse for that either. But weirdly, I am not seeing that video shared repeatedly on RW outlets.
White guy waves gun at INNOCENT Charlotte protesters!!!!!111!!!! Be afraid! Be VERY afraid!!!!!! Nope, not seeing that. Wonder why?
Heeeeers Johnny
(423 posts)and the video was taken by a black guy who is active in the BLM movement...
https://www.facebook.com/lenard.s.bennett
He removed the video from his page, but thanks to the power that is Google cache, it's still available 
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:2PDrnXwbJpYJ:https://www.facebook.com/lenard.s.bennett/videos/vb.100000140066228/1380126282002027/+&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
demmiblue
(36,823 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,421 posts)philosslayer
(3,076 posts)Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)It strikes me that pushing the idea that the actions of a small group of youths in any way, shape or form is emblematic of the Charlotte protests is a 100% right wing Trump loving racist meme better suited for some other site.
But that's just me.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)Times 1000
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)I don't have t wonder about the motivation 
uponit7771
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Calculating
(2,955 posts)The video can be found in plenty of other places too.
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Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)Otherwise some people would actually have to address what the video shows.
Bullet dodged!
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)
JustAnotherGen
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Calculating
(2,955 posts)And not the source? I don't have time to look through all the youtube videos to find one that isn't posted by a trump supporter or some racist. Just because such groups are fond of hosting this video doesn't make the video inherently a right wing propaganda piece. How are we supposed to have a proper discussion on the content of the video when we get so hung up on the source? It's something being used by our political enemies to further their points. Are you suggesting that we just shouldn't be allowed to discuss it? Burying one's head in the sand and pretending that this video doesn't exist won't make it go away.
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Rex
(65,616 posts)Their desperation is so amusing.
CRF450
(2,244 posts)And slammed for trying to demonize demonstrators in general, when it was plainly obvious what was going on. Bigotry happens on both sides, people. We can't ignore things like this when it helps republicans spear more fear.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Have fun with that! 
CRF450
(2,244 posts)Doesn't matter who ends up copying it to make their political case, the content is the same, and the context very obvious.
Matrosov
(1,098 posts)He might have said some racist shit to the protesters. That doesn't mean he deserves to be attacked, but saying racist shit to a crowd that's already very angry about law enforcement doing some racist shit probably isn't a good idea.
Taitertots
(7,745 posts)An observer would be 100% justified (legally and morally) shooting them. The police would be justified (legally and morally) using lethal force to stop mob violence.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)We don't have any more context than we did when it was first posted?
Typical...
Ace Rothstein
(3,143 posts)Per the Charlotte-Mecklenberg PD's Twitter.
https://twitter.com/CMPD/status/780942421605703680
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Bonx
(2,051 posts)"A 24-year-old Charlotte financial services worker has come forward as the man who was beaten, kicked and stripped of his pants last week by a group of 10 attackers during Charlotte’s violent uptown protests Sept. 21.
Mitchell Barnes says he suffered a broken jaw in the attack, which he said occurred about 10:15 p.m. in the EpiCentre garage at 210 E. Trade Street.
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Mitchell Barnes told the Observer Friday that he lives in uptown and came out Tuesday night to watch the marchers and show support for their cause.
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Barnes says the attack in the garage started when someone hit him in the back of the head. Over the next few minutes, he says he was chased, punched, kicked and stripped of his pants. In addition to a broken jaw, he says he suffered a concussion.
“I didn’t see who hit me first. It was unprovoked,” said Barnes, struggling to speak clearly with his jaw wired shut. “I was knocked to one knee and took some big shots. I was just trying to plead my way out of it.”
As for why the culprits ripped his pants off, Barnes guesses that happened because they were reaching into his pockets, trying to steal his wallet. The beating lasted only a few minutes, but Barnes said it “felt like forever.”"
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/special-reports/charlotte-shooting-protests/article105105896.html
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)There was another victim who was attacked in a similar fashion that night.
I hope they catch all the perpetrators.
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)romanic
(2,841 posts)We shouldn't be advocating riots or use that tired-ass MLK quote about riots being the voice of the unheard.
Has anything really changed from the Charlotte riots? Not to my knowledge no.
