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Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
2. The second cartoon is pure desinformation arson
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 09:54 AM
Sep 2016

The police are out to kill people (the kill count sticks) and are racists (black lives don't matter)

This gives a fair representation of what the police departments all over the US stand for.

Congratulations to the cartoonist. A good job well done.



 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
3. I think
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 12:37 PM
Sep 2016

given the last 7+ years and the many shooting/executions and a very high profile hanging, that it put everything into clear and concise perspective from someone at risk of ending up like the person(s) in the cartoon(s).

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
5. So one case sums up the daily activity of 1 million law enforcement personel? Riiiiiiight..
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 02:56 AM
Sep 2016

Viewed in the light of the activity of that million people, that cartoon is disinformation.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
6. this case among many
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 08:47 AM
Sep 2016

points to the fact that american policing is out of control insofar as their response(s) to incidents overall and in the AA community especially. You can be the apologist for them, they need you and I don't mind or really care. You'll always be around muddying the waters with distraction and diversion from the facts at hand. They are murdering and executing brown people in numbers rivaling or surpassing the Jim Crow lynching days I remember in growing up 2 miles from Stone Mountain, Georgia. Lots of police under those sheets then as under the metaphorical and REAL ones today. Yep they are still under the sheets, literally.

The cartoon is right on. No doubts.

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
10. The cartoon is obviously slanted
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 09:52 AM
Sep 2016

Unless you believe the great majority of police officers write counting sticks on their cars to keep score of the number of innocent POCs they managed to kill.

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
11. Facts do matter: police officers, day in, day out, keep society safe
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 09:59 AM
Sep 2016

And a few debatable cases are extremely minor caveats to that unescapable major fact

Unless you think you would feel safer in Brazil or Uganda.

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
12. We agree, they do keep society safe... they're also given impunity and cover when they fuck
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 10:01 AM
Sep 2016

...up bad

Also, given the facts there are NOT just a few caveats ... disproportionate amount of young blacks are shot relative to their crime rate

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
14. You are making a mountain out of a molehill
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 10:10 AM
Sep 2016

Your blanket condemnation of the whole police forces in the name of a few incidents (which are often ruled in favor of the police officer by courts) would be a godsend to the Trump crowd if only they got hold of it.

Your claims of impunity are conjured up out of thin air given the amount of media and judicial scrutiny given to each case.

EX500rider

(10,798 posts)
13. "someone at risk of ending up like the person" How much risk?
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 10:05 AM
Sep 2016

Considering the police arrest around 1,000,000 people a month...or 30,000 a day.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
15. "how much risk", you ask
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 10:17 AM
Sep 2016

one look in my direction. Get real. Your numbers are BS distraction and diversion from the reality faced by many PoC in this society.

EX500rider

(10,798 posts)
16. Actually the numbers are from the FBI database showing how many people are arrested every month..
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 10:23 AM
Sep 2016

....so as a percentage out of 1 million arrests every month the chances are infinitesimally small of anyone being wrongfully shot by the police.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
17. okay, anything you surmise
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 10:58 AM
Sep 2016

is all you need. I live in the real world, numbers can be embarrassing to a nation where those numbers can be easily found by anyone in the world and because of that and not wanting to look racist and biased as this nation's policing is, those numbers put up can already be skewed in favor of putting a better face on policing in america. Have a good one. Any person knowing how things REALLY work in this country could figure that out. Geez .

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
18. Your reasoning is still problematic.
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 11:18 AM
Sep 2016

What does "wrongfully shot by the police" even mean? If we're talking legality, I must point out that what's legal is not necessarily what's just. The law might allow a police officer to blast an unarmed suspect resisting arrest, but that doesn't make it right.

But if you don't want to get philosophical, you still have numbers to reckon with. The rate at which suspects are shot by American police is disproportionate to those in other countries of our class, and within our own demographic people of color are shot at a rate disproportionate to whites, and poor people shot at a rate disproportionate to the middle class and wealthy.

The numbers leave a lot to be concerned about, even if the number of people shot versus the number of people arrested is still "infinitesimally small".

LakeArenal

(28,798 posts)
4. I think some want to start a race war.
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 12:47 PM
Sep 2016

They gin everything up, lie, and accuse.

I've said many times: Keep poking at that lion with a stick. Eventually you'll get the reaction you are asking for.

One should start substituting "police" with officials. It isn't just the police.

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