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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 04:51 AM Jun 2012

Pictured: The UFO-shaped object found at the bottom of the Baltic Sea

Sceptics expected that a deep-water dive would debunk the slew of extra-terrestrial theories surrounding an unidentified object sitting at the bottom of the Baltic Sea.

But the Swedish expedition team that took the plunge surfaced with more questions than answers - and certainly no solution to its origins.

The divers found that the object, which some have likened to the Millennium Falcon because of its unusual round outline, was raised about 10 to 13ft above the seabed and curved in at the sides, giving it a mushroom shape.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2160297/Pictured-The-UFO-shaped-object-the-Baltic-Sea--covered-soot-little-fireplaces-lying-end-1-000ft-runway.html#ixzz1y2SmpCRg

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Pictured: The UFO-shaped object found at the bottom of the Baltic Sea (Original Post) dipsydoodle Jun 2012 OP
I wish more effort was put toward sea exploration. LuvNewcastle Jun 2012 #1
Back in about '90 Bohunk68 Jun 2012 #5
Looks as if there will be more information to come as soon as they can get the funding Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #2
the so-described "soot" covered rocks eShirl Jun 2012 #3
Spam deleted by Violet_Crumble (MIR Team) Lambrecht98 Jun 2012 #4
UFO 'shaped' object? Shadowflash Jun 2012 #6
About the same shape pintobean Jun 2012 #10
They're always round Confusious Jun 2012 #15
How weird. Quantess Jun 2012 #7
Cheney`s undisclosed location. n/t Flying Squirrel Jun 2012 #8
Its 285 ft down & they make it like sound like this difficult... Historic NY Jun 2012 #9
Im sceptical too. This should not be difficult to investigate and verify. DCBob Jun 2012 #13
218 feet is the deepest a well trained Confusious Jun 2012 #14
The press release said they have already dove down to it.. DCBob Jun 2012 #18
weather? Confusious Jun 2012 #26
Yeah, could be. DCBob Jun 2012 #29
Well, there may not be gold or gems inside... malthaussen Jun 2012 #39
Imagine if it was just Shankapotomus Jun 2012 #11
it would be cool if it was some Confusious Jun 2012 #17
Why do they need to sensationalize with references to Star Wars, runways, soot, etc? DCBob Jun 2012 #12
I'm not sure a 60 metre diameter object in that location dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #16
I think "treasure hunters" explains the sensationalism... JHB Jun 2012 #19
yeah, for sure, however, its still quite odd for a natural shape. DCBob Jun 2012 #20
A volcanic pipe was my first thought when this story came out petronius Jun 2012 #46
You can sort of imagine a Devil's Tower like structure underwater.. DCBob Jun 2012 #52
Yep - the exposed top of an intrusive column, with chunks broken away petronius Jun 2012 #54
Also have those stories earlier this year out of Antartica with the Russians. What a planet. freshwest Jun 2012 #28
To appeal to rich philanthropists. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #32
That does sound like what is going on here. DCBob Jun 2012 #35
Yup. It's a rock. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #36
Sounds like an ad for the sub company RandiFan1290 Jun 2012 #21
Send in James Cameron. morningfog Jun 2012 #22
Send in Richard Dreyfuss pinboy3niner Jun 2012 #23
Really.. pipoman Jun 2012 #24
Spam GeorgeGist Jun 2012 #25
Right. bemildred Jun 2012 #27
You see what you are looking for? siligut Jun 2012 #37
If there is a picture in the linked article madamesilverspurs Jun 2012 #30
Here are a couple of the images... pinboy3niner Jun 2012 #31
Thank you! n/t madamesilverspurs Jun 2012 #33
It's Gamera's Graveyard. randome Jun 2012 #34
It's obviously the Martians. pintobean Jun 2012 #47
Round up the usual suspect pinboy3niner Jun 2012 #53
Could be just about anything. The amount of crap that falls off Marr Jun 2012 #38
Is this a Murdoch paper? Archae Jun 2012 #40
Don't be ridiculous dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #42
And...? Archae Jun 2012 #43
Your actual question, dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #44
Where the hell do you think Cheney was hiding for 8 years ! RagAss Jun 2012 #41
Ok Lucas has struck gold with two things nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #45
After watching Prometheus with all its unnecessary and confusing 'answers' to the Alien mythos... randome Jun 2012 #49
Uh oh ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2012 #48
It can't be aliens Confusious Jun 2012 #50
I love that guy! zappaman Jun 2012 #51
lol slutticus Jun 2012 #55
Awesome cool looking sub!! felix_numinous Jun 2012 #56
The first comment at Gizmodo may have the answer csziggy Jun 2012 #57
Are these people stupid or what? It's a USO. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2012 #58

LuvNewcastle

(16,834 posts)
1. I wish more effort was put toward sea exploration.
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 05:28 AM
Jun 2012

Most of the world is covered by ocean, but there's so much we don't know about it. I think that sea exploration is at least as important as space exploration. There's no telling what's down there.

Bohunk68

(1,364 posts)
5. Back in about '90
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 06:46 AM
Jun 2012

I had a college professor who stated that the archaeology that was the least covered was that in the waters because of the Ice Age and the lower water levels then. Since then, a lot of stuff has come out, like the prehistoric caves along the French Mediterranean coast that can only be reached by diving. The same goes for the English Channel settlements that were featured in a tv program within the last year.

Judi Lynn

(160,449 posts)
2. Looks as if there will be more information to come as soon as they can get the funding
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 05:54 AM
Jun 2012

needed to go back. That should be forthcoming when they start allowing those who can afford the trip to go down to see it for themselves in their submarine.

A comment in the article was intriguing:


'I can’t explain what we saw, and I went down there to answer questions, but I came up with even more questions.'

Hope to hear more about this A.S.A.P.

Thanks!

Confusious

(8,317 posts)
15. They're always round
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 07:45 AM
Jun 2012

have you been living under a rock?

I'm sure one of the dungeons has pictures and someone who has seen one.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
7. How weird.
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 07:13 AM
Jun 2012

My theory? The aliens wanted a closer look at the stone walled medieval city Visby, on Gotland, Sweden.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
9. Its 285 ft down & they make it like sound like this difficult...
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 07:26 AM
Jun 2012

the Titanic is 13000ft down. Its beginning to sound like some scam to sell to the tourist trade. Burnt rock & fireplaces...please.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
13. Im sceptical too. This should not be difficult to investigate and verify.
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 07:40 AM
Jun 2012

Makes you wonder their motives.

Confusious

(8,317 posts)
14. 218 feet is the deepest a well trained
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 07:41 AM
Jun 2012

and fit scuba diver can go on compressed air.

330 feet is the deepest a scuba diver can go using trimix.

The Baltic also has some real difficult weather, usually turning on a dime.

So, yea, it's a little difficult to get to.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
18. The press release said they have already dove down to it..
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 07:52 AM
Jun 2012
http://www.oceanexplorer.se/

Not sure why they cant just go back down and investigate it further. Seems to me it would be fairly obvious if it was stone or not. Just wack it with a hammer and chisel.

Confusious

(8,317 posts)
26. weather?
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 10:16 AM
Jun 2012

you only get a limited time with trimix. like 10 or 20 minutes at a site. don't really know.

Probably also don't want to touch anything until they talk to an expert.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
29. Yeah, could be.
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 11:10 AM
Jun 2012

But it appears they are purposely playing this out for all its worth. Announcing an unusual rock formation is not nearly as appealing as a possible crashed UFO.

malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
39. Well, there may not be gold or gems inside...
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 12:15 PM
Jun 2012

... but they're probably hoping for some gold outside.

All right by me. Especially if the funds they earn can go towards some real science.

-- Mal

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
11. Imagine if it was just
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 07:33 AM
Jun 2012

a huge fossilized dinosaur turd ...flattened into that shape when a lumbering Brontosaurus stepped in it millions of years ago?

Confusious

(8,317 posts)
17. it would be cool if it was some
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 07:50 AM
Jun 2012

sort of stone age communal hut or something, but it's probably just a cooled magma bubble.

PS after looking at it, norway/Sweden were covered by glaciers which then created a huge freshwater lake, so in the time humans have been alive, it's been covered by glaciers and underwater, so no stone age. Here's hoping for aliens, cause a magma bubble would be boring.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
12. Why do they need to sensationalize with references to Star Wars, runways, soot, etc?
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 07:37 AM
Jun 2012

The story is strange enough with just the basic facts.

If the images are real and accurate, it sure looks manmade although nature can produce shapes like this. The so called "runway" or path is also quite odd. Also it seems to me that it would be very difficult to identify soot stains on an object that has been underwater for any length of time.

They just need to go down there and take a closer look. If its "manmade" it will be obvious on closer inspection.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
16. I'm not sure a 60 metre diameter object in that location
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 07:47 AM
Jun 2012

is likely to be man made.

Probably natural feature of some description - be interesting to see what exactly.

Original report on this seems to CNN back in January :

Shipwreck hunters stumble across mysterious find.

(CNN) -- Deep down on the bottom of the Baltic Sea, Swedish treasure hunters think they have made the find of a lifetime.

The problem is, they're not exactly sure what it is they've uncovered.

Out searching for shipwrecks at a secret location between Sweden and Finland, the deep-sea salvage company Ocean Explorer captured an incredible image more than 80 meters below the water's surface.

At first glance, team leader and commercial diver Peter Lindberg joked that his crew had just discovered an unidentified flying object, or UFO.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/28/world/europe/swedish-shipwreck-hunters/index.html

JHB

(37,154 posts)
19. I think "treasure hunters" explains the sensationalism...
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 07:59 AM
Jun 2012

If they have to drum up financial support for their private venture, "we want to check out this wierd rock formation" isn't likely to rake in the bucks.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
20. yeah, for sure, however, its still quite odd for a natural shape.
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 08:01 AM
Jun 2012

There are natural processes/shapes that could mimic this. For example something like these perhaps..







But that "UFO" shape is unique.

petronius

(26,596 posts)
46. A volcanic pipe was my first thought when this story came out
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 01:24 PM
Jun 2012

And the 'trail' I suspect would have more to do with currents (or a vivid imagination) than any sort of crash-landing.

Fun story, though - and if they found something geologically new I don't begrudge the attempt to cash in...

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
52. You can sort of imagine a Devil's Tower like structure underwater..
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 03:53 PM
Jun 2012

with pieces of it broken and fallen away to form the shape they are seeing.

petronius

(26,596 posts)
54. Yep - the exposed top of an intrusive column, with chunks broken away
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 07:21 PM
Jun 2012

along rectangular joints.

I also noticed that the article mentions "a similar structure was found nearby" with no pic or discussion of the similar structure - probably because it doesn't look nearly as much like a UFO...

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
32. To appeal to rich philanthropists.
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 11:51 AM
Jun 2012

They just need enough photos to tease a couple million from Richard Branson or the like.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
35. That does sound like what is going on here.
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 11:59 AM
Jun 2012

These guys are milking this weird "rock" for all its worth.

RandiFan1290

(6,221 posts)
21. Sounds like an ad for the sub company
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 08:14 AM
Jun 2012

"The company have created a submarine that they hope will appeal to tourists and wannabe shipwreck hunters who will pay to take a trip down to the bottom of the Baltic Sea to see for themselves."

"Tourist trips: Diver Peter Lindberg is hoping to take wealthy tourists down in this submarine to see the object"

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
23. Send in Richard Dreyfuss
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 09:30 AM
Jun 2012

Give him some mashed potatoes and he can constuct a model of it.



Or, for a little extra, you can get the larger-scale mud pie version...

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
24. Really..
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 09:37 AM
Jun 2012

how hard would it be to take a core sample..maybe not on the initial trip down, but hardly uncharted territory. Maybe they don't really want to know because there won't be any "wealthy tourists" wanting to waste their time on a rock.

That said the "runway" sounds more like 'Racetrack Playa'..

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
27. Right.
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 10:34 AM
Jun 2012

One wonders why at the bottom of the sea is shows the sort of crash landing path one might expect on land?

siligut

(12,272 posts)
37. You see what you are looking for?
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 12:07 PM
Jun 2012

The most interesting interpretation? But I agree, a runway underwater doesn't make any sense at all.

madamesilverspurs

(15,798 posts)
30. If there is a picture in the linked article
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 11:41 AM
Jun 2012

can someone please post it? My dialup isn't letting me open the thing. Thanks!

-

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
31. Here are a couple of the images...
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 11:50 AM
Jun 2012

Hefty trajectory: The Swedish diving team noted a 985-foot flattened out 'runway' leading up to the object, implying that it skidded along the path before stopping but no true answers are clear



The Ocean Explorer team's sonar pictures show that the object is a massive cylinder with a 60 metre diameter and a 400 metre-long tail deep in the Baltic Sea. A similar disk-shaped object was also found about 200 metres away

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
34. It's Gamera's Graveyard.
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 11:57 AM
Jun 2012

Thousands of decaying, giant, flying, fire-breathing turtles line the sea bed.

Everyone knows this.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
38. Could be just about anything. The amount of crap that falls off
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 12:10 PM
Jun 2012

cargo ships alone is staggering. You name it, it's down on the ocean floor somewhere.

Archae

(46,301 posts)
40. Is this a Murdoch paper?
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 12:40 PM
Jun 2012

That thought came to mind when I saw a link to an uncensored photo of the "face-chewer" and his victim, and a couple other lurid stories.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
42. Don't be ridiculous
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 01:05 PM
Jun 2012

aside from which the original article was CNN from January.

I think you find that Murdoch doesn't own CNN either.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
45. Ok Lucas has struck gold with two things
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 01:14 PM
Jun 2012

one of the moons around Jupiter does look like a certain Death Star... and this was BEFORE the Voyager expeditions. Now this...

Ok reaching for that tinfoil... is Lucas Human?

(For the joke averse, it is a joke, there is no seriousness in this post)

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
49. After watching Prometheus with all its unnecessary and confusing 'answers' to the Alien mythos...
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 01:57 PM
Jun 2012

...I have to wonder if George Lucas and Ridley Scott are one and the same person!

They both seem determined to try, try again until they leave a bad taste in everyone's mouth.

Confusious

(8,317 posts)
50. It can't be aliens
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 03:40 PM
Jun 2012

everyine knows aliens land and crash land in upstate new York, not in the Baltic sea.

sheesh.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
51. I love that guy!
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 03:45 PM
Jun 2012

Doubtful it is a spacecraft.
But, hey, keep milking it.
Tourism might go up.
PT Barnum would be proud.

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