3 lower-rung, uneducated women at work told me they're undecided today. I was shocked.

[lindysalsagal]

We're in education but they're the un-trained staff.

I said, "You would honestly consider giving fRump the nuclear codes and the supreme court?"

They had no idea what those 2 things were or why they should care.

[bmstee01]

1. At my work

A lady with a Masters Degree asked me which one was a Republican and which one was a Democrat?

[AngryAmish]

17. Sometimes people play dumb.

In a work setting it does not pay to talk politics.

But WTF, I am retired and can tell anyone to kiss my ass. I tell my kids not to talk politics at school, especially my politics.

[lostnfound]

58. The D is the one endorsed by generals and hawkish wonks; the R is the one endorsed by Putin.

[SammyWinstonJack]

95. +1

[CrispyQ]

78. Back when Joe Biden ran in the primaries, I had a Biden sticker on my truck.

A co-worker saw me in the parking lot & said, "I would have guessed you were a democrat, not a republican."

[citood]

2. Election season begins in earnest tonight

Most people don't follow politics that closely. Tonight will be their first 'long look' at the candidates.

[Warren DeMontague]

3. He tells it like it is!

I don't know what it is, of course, but whatever it is he tells it that way.

[etherealtruth]

33. I think they mean: He says the racist, xenophobic, and bigoted things "I" believe

Sick effs

[unblock]

53. he *does* tell it like it is! it's all a big lie, see?

eh?


eh?

[lame54]

82. Until the next day

[izzybella]

4. Unfortunately

Those kinds of people help Trump. They think he's a billionaire and Clinton did something bad with emails.

[warrprayer]

5. I'll bite

What do you mean by "uneducated"?

[MichMan]

8. Also characterized as "untrained"

Wondered that same thing myself.

[warrprayer]

13. I am not college educated

But I consider myself well informed.

Perhaps "uninformed" is what was meant.

[lindysalsagal]

21. In this case , they are all of the above.

But fRump is winning with the uneducated and HRD is winning with the educated, so I was following suit.

[warrprayer]

20. O.K.

". Unskilled: Working hourly with no training, no college, no proof of any expertise: A pulse.
I happen to know that none of them did anything past HS, and don't know how well they did in HS, either.

They're working at the lower end of the food chain, for sure."

[bmstee01]

52. A warm body in the room

[warrprayer]

61. Thanks. n/t

[lindysalsagal]

11. Unskilled: Working hourly with no training, no college, no proof of any expertise: A pulse.

I happen to know that none of them did anything past HS, and don't know how well they did in HS, either.

They're working at the lower end of the food chain, for sure.

[AngryAmish]

24. Oh those dullards with a pulse.

In college and law school the way I made money was in an industrial laundry. Two of your pulsed workers ran the washing machines. They slung one ton slings of clothes, wet and dry, mixed dye for mops, kept eight washers working for their ten hour shift...and literally saved my dumb ass life twice when I was doing stupid shit.

They made a very good wage. These guys, both had pulses as far as I can tell, had the admiration of the entire plant. Both lwft the Mississippi Delta after about the tenth grade.

It made an impression on me. All work has dignity, except for those with their nose in the air.

[lindysalsagal]

28. OK. Listen. These 3 particular women are in their 50's. This is the only work they'll ever do. They'

ve ever done. They're just not curious, they're uninformed, and they prefer it that way. I was not trying to insult anyone, including them. They have no ambition and know nothing outside their town or their families. They live in small, insulated worlds. They work very hard in a difficult situation for very little money, no opportunity to move up, no pension, no healthcare, no benefits.

I was illustrating a Trump voter: No one here who wades through deep, complex, historic ideas and practices.

If you decide to be insulted, have fun. But I was talking about 3, count them, 3 women. That's it.

If you want to count yourself among them, that's your business.

[AngryAmish]

40. Except for a great set of luck, some brains and hard work, there I am.

I am glad us proles are there for you to look down on.

Enjoy your view.

This is the funny thing...I never get this shit from rich people. I am a self made man and even the trust funders respect that.

[lindysalsagal]

45. That is not what I said. Stop making things up.

Your brains and hard work brought you here, to learn. They just run from information.

[AngryAmish]

65. Brains are determined by genetics. In other words, they cannot help if they have a pulse.

Either the light shines on you or not. It is determined nine months before you are born.

And yet you excoriate them for an immutable property.

Noice.

[Saphire]

89. Running from information has nothing

to do with education or employment choices. Your post is insulting and rude. You see, I never "went past high school" and I work at a " lower rung job".
Even still, I aspire to learn more. Maybe those 3 women just don't want to learn anything. To insinuate it's bc they lack your education and salary is condescending.

[Marr]

79. So you're calling them stupid?

C'mon, anyone can play this game.

The OP's language was a bit rough, but I think their point was clear.

[RadiationTherapy]

25. "none of them did anything past HS"

Except possibly care for siblings or for sick parents or fought drug/alcohol addiction in their families or survived cancer or went into the workforce to care for others at their own expense...the list goes on.

[B2G]

31. Total snob. Nt

[Texasgal]

67. An insufferable attitude.

Yuck. Just YUCK.

[Codeine]

80. Wow. You're a piece of work.

It's very unusual for a post on DU to actually piss me off. Congratulate yourself for managing something that rare.

[milestogo]

6. Most people get their information from commercials running the last 3 weeks before the election.

[elleng]

7. Exactly the repugs' plan.

A Well-Informed Electorate Is a Prerequisite for Democracy.

in the words of Karl Rove, create your own reality.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016167530

[Dreamer Tatum]

9. They sure do sound lower rung.

I feel bad for you, having to suffer their presence.

[lindysalsagal]

12. In their capacity they can be just fine. But they are definitely "low-information voters."

[Renew Deal]

10. Convince them to vote Hillary and why it's in their best interests

Also point out the consequences of getting it wrong. Be armed with the honest-dishonest numbers because that's all some critics have. What has she accomplished? CHIP. 9/11 response that even Trump praised. What has she run? The most important department in the govt. And she wouldn't be the first SOS ever elected.

[lindysalsagal]

15. It didn't take much to convince them that he's a sociopath

and the supreme court could remove all social welfare programs for decades.

Better not to get into the personality trap. They love the kardashians and big brother and sruvivor, et al.

[Renew Deal]

18. Kim endorsed Hillary

OMG OMG

[lindysalsagal]

19. LOL!

[Iggo]

14. Undecided = Looking for a reason to vote for Trump without looking like a racist asshole.

[lindysalsagal]

16. Could be, but I didn't get that edge from them.

Unless they know how to conceal it.

[pnwmom]

22. Please figure out what things are most important to them and then gently explain

how Trump threatens those things.

[lindysalsagal]

23. Yeah. I got them. We're in a blue state, anyway.

One of them admitted, "What's the supreme court? I didn't take civics." and laughed. They don't value knowledge. Proudly ignorant.

[HDSam]

35. Sounds to me

based on their "and laughed" reaction they've tagged you as arrogant and are having fun playing the role you've assigned them.

To support that thought, they know the Supreme Court clearly has something to do with civics class. This leads me to believe they do know something about the Supreme Court.

Just my opinion, it's worth what you paid for it.

[RadiationTherapy]

26. There is a lot of smug in this thread..."lower rung" and "gently explain" are just two examples.

It can be difficult, but I have found it very rewarding to presume everyone I meet to be of fine and able mental capabilities. It seems to me that when one looks down on others, it oozes out through their vocabularies and tones.

[DLevine]

30. Thank you. nt

[ripcord]

68. And democrats wonder why we don't connect with more people

[JI7]

27. most people lacking in formal education vote democratic

So while the ones you talked to may be idiots it's not because they didn't get to a certain level when it comes to formal education.

[athena]

55. Exactly. Most poor people also vote democratic.

On election day in 2012, I volunteered to GOTV and was sent to a trailer park. Those were by far the nicest people I had canvassed, and they all supported President Obama. I did not meet a single Romney supporter, IIRC.

[Throd]

29. OMG, you have to make contact with the untrained staff? How I pity you.

Seriously, your comments sound like a wealthy socialite who has to talk to the help.

[sarcasmo]

39. +1

[mwrguy]

32. Mouth breathers

[FrodosPet]

49. Isn't it wonderful to have subhumans to look down on?

There is no greater ego boost than to be able to look down on people. As long as it is the right people.

[mwrguy]

92. I'm sorry I insulted Trump supporters

Please find it in your heart to forgive me.

[FrodosPet]

97. If the apology is sincere, you are forgiven

Even if it isn't, you are still forgiven.

No, I do not want Donald Trump to be President. Yes, I wish people were not supporting him.

That said, being an elitist holier-than-thou type of person just reinforces what they already think of us. I have this theory that being polite to people, respecting their existence, and engaging them with facts and friendship, is a lot more productive than calling them "mouth breathers".

YMMV

[Marengo]

75. As in like those who force women to wear head coverings to please the sky daddy?

Yup, mouth breathers.

[WinkyDink]

34. Maybe they're pre-occupied with doing their menial work, getting by, and paying their bills.

[whatthehey]

36. You didn't learn DU lesson one

It's OK to criticize people for being fat, slow, lacking in physical skill at any activity, lacking in attractiveness, but not, ever, ever lacking in education or intellect. Apparently people here realize that not everybody is blessed with physical ability, but believe everybody is equally blessed with mental ability and there can never be any one higher or lower on that scale.

[lindysalsagal]

37. How can anyone in their 50's not know what the nuclear codes or the supreme court are?

That's my point: They've heard the term "supreme court" for 40 years and never once wondered what it was.

Beyond my belief, that's all.

[FrodosPet]

50. Thinkaboutit

No matter how uneducated, inexperienced, or developmentally disabled someone is, they know things that you don't.

So did you try to engage and educate them in a friendly, helpful way? Or did you just walk away in disgust?

[lindysalsagal]

57. They heard me and were grateful for the insight.

Lots of imaginary ,negative assumptions going on here.

[PersonNumber503602]

54. Come on now...

If this person said "Three overweight people with big noses told me that they were undecided", then the post would have received the same reaction. The wording reeks of snobbery that is based on assumptions by the op.

[sarcasmo]

38. Untrained staff? Do you work on Downton Abby?

[lindysalsagal]

42. Waiting tables is hard. I sucked at it. Running a shop is hard. Delivering mail is hard.

Construction is hard and requires lots of knowlege and expertise. Cooking, repair, maintenance , all of it requires skill, knowledge and expertise.

Exactly what these 3 women do requires NO training. Sorry, but that's the way it is. Everyone else in our organization has some clue about the larger world.

It was a shock to come across them where I work, is all I was saying. How can anyone within the sound of a TV or radio or near a newspaper not know the difference between a charletan and the secretary of state/state senator? Boggles my mind. It's been everywhere for months. How can it be avoided without checking into a monastery?

[calendargirl]

44. What do they do? Nt

[lindysalsagal]

46. Out of respect, I'd rather not say.

[calendargirl]

47. Respect of the lower rungs?

You've already hinted that they are in education - what positions are untrained in education? Enlighten us.

[lindysalsagal]

48. I'm leaving this where it is.

[calendargirl]

60. You said they work very hard.

Maybe that is where you should have left it.

[Skittles]

70. they work very hard, doing something that needs no training

makes no sense at all

[cwydro]

72. Respect???

Omg.

[tenderfoot]

41. Cool story

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[calendargirl]

43. Hey untrained staff!

Tell us of the accommodations in steerage.

[PersonNumber503602]

51. Your post reeks of elitism.

Don't get me wrong, I think Trump supporters are big dummies. I'm just not digging the tone of your post. It leaves an awful taste in my mouth.


*edit* I see I'm not the only one who feels that way. That makes me smile.

[Skittles]

71. maybe we are just "lower rung" and jealous!

[name not needed]

56. Obviously you're not berating them enough.

Spend the next 2 weeks reminding them how poor and stupid they are and I'm sure they'll see things your way.

[lindysalsagal]

59. Ok. Everyone just do me a favor and put me on ignore.

If you want to take me personally, well, you need to be insulted. Have a good time.

[Dreamer Tatum]

66. But then we'd miss the pearls of wisdom you pass down to the lower rungs.

Not that we uneducated folk can understand it, of course, but still.

[Texasgal]

69. Right?

The "lower-rungs" need educatin'!

Ugh.

[Marengo]

77. Character reveals such as this are one of the reasons I don't put anyone on ignore...

Might might something, like someone outing themselves as a classist.

[Doreen]

62. Uneducated?

I quit school, got a GED then a few years later went and got my high school diploma. I tried very hard to go through college but my learning disability made it impossible. I however am voting for Hillary. I get confused by the "uneducated" call. If there is an issue I will go on line to learn about it, got to the library, get a book, search for information, and talk to people. I also study BOTH sides of the issue before I form my opinion. It hurts to be considered less because I did not go to college even though I am making the same choice as all of my highly college educated friends and family. I by the way do not make my choices because my educated friends and family tell me to.

[MissB]

90. You are part of the

well-informed electorate.

Education does not give one a golden crown to wear for life. My life would suck so much if I looked at my less-formally-educated coworkers as somehow being inferior.

I don't get the OP.

[athena]

64. Maybe they're afraid to discuss politics at work?

If they're as low on the totem pole and as uneducated as you say, they are probably very afraid of losing a good, steady job. They may feel very uncomfortable discussing something so sensitive as politics with someone higher up. They may figure that the best way to avoid politics at work is to pretend to be uninformed and uninterested.

If that's the case, the kindest thing to do would be to respect their wishes and avoid discussing politics with them.

[Brickbat]

73. This is gross.

[cwydro]

91. It's illuminating also.

Mind-blowing.

And it strikes me as very similar, if not identical, to how Trump probably thinks about those "lower rung" workers who work for him.

Smh.

[Brickbat]

93. Oh, you see it plenty on both sides.

[alarimer]

74. These people won't vote for the Democrat if we keep denigrating them this way.

There is an unfortunate tendency of liberals/progessives to look down their noses on the ill-informed or incurious. That is part of why they are voting for Trump. Stop being so fucking condescending and maybe you can persuade them.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

76. You're in education and you see this as a head-bashing opportunity, not a teaching moment? :eyes:

[cwydro]

81. I know, right?

These kind of ops on DU amaze me...I've known people who think those who work at menial jobs are stupid.

It's not necessarily the case. That kind of attitude here is simply astonishing.

And sad.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

84. +1

[La Lioness Priyanka]

83. the way you describe these people sounds super condescending.

[tenderfoot]

87. It was intentional...

a post pattern if you will.

[CBGLuthier]

85. Well what do you expect from "those people" Fucking lower rung uneducated people anyway

Off to the camps with them.

[Fix The Stupid]

86. You're taking a pounding for this OP.

You should have just described your co-workers as "deplorables"...

Thread would have went a much different direction.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

88. deplorables is about values, this description is just elitist garbage. nt

[Vinca]

94. Maybe you should stress something that hits closer to home.

Hillary wants to raise the minimum wage considerably and Trump thinks wages are too high. Ask the untrained staff if they want to take a pay cut.

[Lil Missy]

96. Trump loves the poorly educated. n/t

[FrodosPet]

98. I love the poorly educated as well

What about you? Do you love them, and try to respectfully educate them?

Or do you just despise them, laugh at them, and call them "mouth breathers"?