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11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 05:25 PM Sep 2016

If Trump attacks Hillary for Bill's behavior, THIS is all she needs to say:

"Donald, like your first couple of wives, I too have felt the pain of a husband's infidelity. I resolved that my husband is a good man who made a mistake; and that it would be worthwhile to try and save our marriage and continue to make a life together. Ivana and Marla arrived at a different conclusion."

Then turn, smile sweetly, and watch as the sphincter-mouthed orangutan self-immolates.

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If Trump attacks Hillary for Bill's behavior, THIS is all she needs to say: (Original Post) 11 Bravo Sep 2016 OP
It's a good response BainsBane Sep 2016 #1
I agree that she won't bring it up. But if Trump does ... 11 Bravo Sep 2016 #3
exactly what she should say awake Sep 2016 #2
How does that work if Trump attacks Hillary's attitude towards Bill's accusers Mike Daniels Sep 2016 #4
It doesn't matter. Have you noticed that Trump says ... 11 Bravo Sep 2016 #7
I have a 5 year old grandson that is the same.... Jim Beard Sep 2016 #32
You think mainstream women voters are gonna buy that bullshit? emulatorloo Sep 2016 #8
This! boomer55 Sep 2016 #5
She doesn't have to say a damn thing. Except "please proceed governor" emulatorloo Sep 2016 #6
Then the logical followup would be Trump blaming his wives for his own infidelity. keithbvadu2 Sep 2016 #21
Doesn't work for me. Miles Archer Sep 2016 #9
Fair enough. While I believe that such a response would reduce Trump ... 11 Bravo Sep 2016 #10
Just to be accurate, please don't think I'm saying you're "wrong." Miles Archer Sep 2016 #11
Your post is as good a response as I've seen about the subject. Boomerproud Sep 2016 #17
Excellent!! ArtD48 Sep 2016 #12
"People who live in glass houses should not throw stones" would work quite well. anamandujano Sep 2016 #13
I agree. TexasBushwhacker Sep 2016 #15
Most likely she feels there is a lot in Bill that outweighs the humiliation she suffered. anamandujano Sep 2016 #24
This makes her very sympathetic. Justice Sep 2016 #37
Surely Trump won't go there bucolic_frolic Sep 2016 #14
Do you really think the goofball will do as they say? Jim Beard Sep 2016 #33
I think that's a great response.. whathehell Sep 2016 #16
look him straight in the eye Raven123 Sep 2016 #18
"...sphincter-mouthed orangutan..." ClusterFreak Sep 2016 #19
Would pay to see that lame54 Sep 2016 #20
How could Trump attack Hillary for Bill's behavior? oberliner Sep 2016 #22
you misspelled orangetan. unblock Sep 2016 #23
Ghouliani tipped it yesterday. world wide wally Sep 2016 #25
Self-immolates? Cracklin Charlie Sep 2016 #26
Most Bill Clinton accusers were lookin for a payday.... beachbumbob Sep 2016 #27
I like the direction and would consider adding... CincyDem Sep 2016 #28
Excellent! stuffmatters Sep 2016 #29
Here's my idea for a response..... tableturner Sep 2016 #30
Not bad. Because he would probably argue that HE left the marriages, not his wives. yellowcanine Sep 2016 #31
That's exactly where he'd go gwheezie Sep 2016 #34
My prediction is he will try to open that discussion and Hillary will slam the door. If he tries Monk06 Sep 2016 #35
An excellent response. Justice Sep 2016 #36
But for Rudy and Trump to be pushing this - seems so odd to me. There might Justice Sep 2016 #38

BainsBane

(53,029 posts)
1. It's a good response
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 05:28 PM
Sep 2016

I doubt she will mention it though because she doesn't want the news to be focused on the subject.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
3. I agree that she won't bring it up. But if Trump does ...
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 05:31 PM
Sep 2016

I hope she shoves it straight up his flabby ass.

Mike Daniels

(5,842 posts)
4. How does that work if Trump attacks Hillary's attitude towards Bill's accusers
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 05:31 PM
Sep 2016

He's not going to attack her for being cheated on. He's going to attack her on what his supporters feel were her attacks/demonization of Bill's accusers.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
7. It doesn't matter. Have you noticed that Trump says ...
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 05:34 PM
Sep 2016

whatever the fuck he wants, paying little or no attention to the question that was posed to him?
Such a response would reduce him to sputtering, impotent, incoherent rage; and that's the point.

 

Jim Beard

(2,535 posts)
32. I have a 5 year old grandson that is the same....
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 05:09 PM
Sep 2016

he will never say "I don't know", he will just throw out some bullshit.

I liked the beginning were Hillary said "DONALD" like a mother would.

emulatorloo

(44,109 posts)
8. You think mainstream women voters are gonna buy that bullshit?
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 05:35 PM
Sep 2016

"You mean HRC didn't kiss the woman's ass who cheated with her husband? Wow I would have showered the little homewrecker with candy and flowers! I MUST VOTE TRUMP NOW!"

emulatorloo

(44,109 posts)
6. She doesn't have to say a damn thing. Except "please proceed governor"
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 05:32 PM
Sep 2016

Mainstream Women voters are not gonna go for seeing a woman blamed for her husband's infidelity.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
9. Doesn't work for me.
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 05:45 PM
Sep 2016

Too specific, too detailed, and too much of a "discussion" " of something that really shouldn't be discussed.

I'm also not sure how many people will sign off on the concept of Bill as "a good man who made a mistake," and I say that in the spirit of "constructive criticism intended to help Hillary win," just like it says in the DU TOS.

There's no way to win by having a discussion about Bill's alleged or real infidelities. No way whatsoever. I also would not refer to Bill making "a"...singular...mistake. She needs to shut him down, and fast, if he goes there. Engaging him will not play to the cheap seats, AKA "Trump's base."

That kind of conversation also would bring her down to Trump's level: "Donald, like your first couple of wives..." that just jumped right off the screen at me as "do not go there" talk.

If he does put it out there and she needs to respond, she could say something like "No matter what has happened in my personal life, I have transcended it, and accomplished (fill in the blanks)."

There's no way to win in having a discussion about Bill. I point no further than a remark Ms. Clinton made in this election cycle, when someone started quizzing her about him. It was something like (not an exact quote): "Oh, I'm sorry, is he running for President too?"

If he brings it up, the Trump crowd will be high-fiving and taking a victory lap, no matter how she responds, so the best response is a LIMITED one that shifts the discussion back to policy, not a justification of anything Bill did or was alleged to have done.


11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
10. Fair enough. While I believe that such a response would reduce Trump ...
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 05:55 PM
Sep 2016

to the shit-flinging, incoherent, misogynistic shitweasel we all know him to be; I've been wrong before, and probably will be again.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
11. Just to be accurate, please don't think I'm saying you're "wrong."
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 06:19 PM
Sep 2016

That wasn't my intention.

What I was trying to say...and I am sure that it's clear I was walking on eggshells because I have no intention of losing my membership on this site as the result of discussing Bill Clinton...is that any discussion of what he did or did not do is a "no win" situation. With Trump, it would be gutter politics, and we already know he has no problem going there. Also, I'm sure he sees it as his "October surprise," his "crippling blow," and the fact of the matter is that a significant number of people...both pro and anti Clinton...have lived with the blowback from his personal life for decades. Trump's not going to "educate" anyone by going there...he will attempt to open a closed wound and pour salt into it, and I see no way possible that she can win that argument by engaging him. I do support her taking the high road. The exchange should about 30 seconds. And if he persists, he'll come off looking as good as he did with his birther exchange and "that's called business" remarks. Ms. Clinton knows how to not take the bait. Engaging him would be taking the bait.

Boomerproud

(7,951 posts)
17. Your post is as good a response as I've seen about the subject.
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 07:29 PM
Sep 2016

The "blowback" description is perfect. Trumpeters obviously don't care how hypocritical of him to bring it up.

anamandujano

(7,004 posts)
13. "People who live in glass houses should not throw stones" would work quite well.
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 06:44 PM
Sep 2016

I'm not sure she could just leave it hanging out there with no response.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,165 posts)
15. I agree.
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 07:03 PM
Sep 2016

Ivana filed for divorce after she found out about Donald's affair with Marla Maples, but technically, Trump initiated the divorce with Marla. He was already separated from her when he met Melania.

I suppose some people think Hillary should have divorced Bill and I imagine she considered it. But it's really no one else's business and if Bill has had any more affairs, they have been VERY discreat.

anamandujano

(7,004 posts)
24. Most likely she feels there is a lot in Bill that outweighs the humiliation she suffered.
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 10:00 PM
Sep 2016

In her public life she has always shown that she weighs issues carefully before committing to anything. I don't think she ever considered divorce. What was she to do, go back to her mother and leave the life she had built? She was First Lady and fully deserved to be there. There was some discussion from pundits on this, in a supportive way so they must have been Dem pundits.

I remember the Friday after the story broke. They were walking to the helicopter to take off for the weekend. He grabbed her hand to hold and she pulled it away. She knew the cameras were always on them. She did not meekly accept the situation.

bucolic_frolic

(43,123 posts)
14. Surely Trump won't go there
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 07:03 PM
Sep 2016

His handlers have warned him about some things

I don't think you'll hear any 'crooked Hillaries' either

He and they surely must know that she's as prepared for that as can be

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
22. How could Trump attack Hillary for Bill's behavior?
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 08:11 PM
Sep 2016

I don't understand what he could/would actually say to her about him.

world wide wally

(21,740 posts)
25. Ghouliani tipped it yesterday.
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 04:39 PM
Sep 2016

They are going to attack Hillary for attacking Monica Lewinsky.
So, this is the attack Hillary has to be prepared for.

CincyDem

(6,347 posts)
28. I like the direction and would consider adding...
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 04:48 PM
Sep 2016


"Donald, like your first couple of wives, I too have felt the pain of a husband's infidelity. I resolved that my husband is a good man who made a mistake; and that it would be worthwhile to try and save our marriage and continue to make a life together. You and Ivana the you and Marla arrived at a different conclusion. One of the things I love about America is our willingness to recognize that each couple is allowed to approach their marriage on their own terms."

I would make these changes recognizing that just like there a lot of couple that have lived through infidelity on the Clinton path, there are likely as many (many more) who have taken the Trump route. The open targets the stones at Donald, the middle recognizes the uniqueness of every situation, and the close celebrates that the are many acceptable answers.

just my two cents...but I doubt he'll bring it up in the same room with her because he knows it will get shoved down his throat sideways.

If he keeps up the bullshit of "didn't want to bring it up because of her family", I'd love to see Chelsea step and say "Hey dude...it's not like you've got something to say I haven't been hearing for 20 years. I won't be learning anything new so don't hold back on my account".



tableturner

(1,680 posts)
30. Here's my idea for a response.....
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 05:04 PM
Sep 2016

"All I have to say is that it's very ironic and hypocritical for you, of all people, to be bringing this up."

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
31. Not bad. Because he would probably argue that HE left the marriages, not his wives.
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 05:05 PM
Sep 2016

And that would be a splendid spectacle to watch.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
34. That's exactly where he'd go
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 05:22 PM
Sep 2016

Both ivana & Marla had stated when they 1st caught wind of his cheatin' ways, they tried to save their marriages. If she responds at all about his cheating claiming they dumped him would be too much for him to ignore.
Hillary has this, she's known since the day he started running he'd eventually go there.

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
35. My prediction is he will try to open that discussion and Hillary will slam the door. If he tries
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 05:29 PM
Sep 2016

to push the issue he will lose the dabate again and he knows it

Justice

(7,185 posts)
38. But for Rudy and Trump to be pushing this - seems so odd to me. There might
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 05:36 PM
Sep 2016

be a good way to flush out the double standard - that as men they can leave their wives and children for a mistress and new wife - and yet still criticize her for not leaving Bill after public affair.
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