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Wed Sep 28, 2016, 02:05 PM

I've been seeing lots of low post counts with really questionable post content

I want new people to join DU and always try to be open to new posters. But when you see a low poster count with really short snippets of content it makes you wonder. I've seen like two or three in the past 10 minutes where a low post count member was kind of being argumentative and debbie downers.

Sometimes I want to blatantly call people out...but other times I'm sure they are legit. How do you handle this?

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Reply I've been seeing lots of low post counts with really questionable post content (Original post)
titaniumsalute Sep 2016 OP
CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2016 #1
ColemanMaskell Sep 2016 #7
titaniumsalute Sep 2016 #12
CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2016 #20
PatSeg Sep 2016 #46
Fla Dem Sep 2016 #23
virgogal Sep 2016 #29
titaniumsalute Sep 2016 #10
Cracklin Charlie Sep 2016 #2
lapfog_1 Sep 2016 #3
ColemanMaskell Sep 2016 #4
Lil Missy Sep 2016 #5
demmiblue Sep 2016 #13
Lil Missy Sep 2016 #14
demmiblue Sep 2016 #15
In_The_Wind Sep 2016 #16
demmiblue Sep 2016 #17
In_The_Wind Sep 2016 #18
demmiblue Sep 2016 #21
In_The_Wind Sep 2016 #22
demmiblue Sep 2016 #25
In_The_Wind Sep 2016 #41
virgogal Sep 2016 #28
Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #31
titaniumsalute Sep 2016 #32
Shrike47 Sep 2016 #6
Demonaut Sep 2016 #8
anneboleyn Oct 2016 #63
demmiblue Sep 2016 #9
Yonnie3 Sep 2016 #11
Orrex Sep 2016 #19
womanofthehills Sep 2016 #27
SwankyXomb Sep 2016 #30
MicaelS Sep 2016 #50
anneboleyn Oct 2016 #64
titaniumsalute Sep 2016 #33
awoke_in_2003 Sep 2016 #58
mulsh Sep 2016 #24
titaniumsalute Sep 2016 #35
Marr Sep 2016 #26
John1956PA Sep 2016 #34
cwydro Sep 2016 #36
Skittles Sep 2016 #38
cwydro Sep 2016 #39
Skittles Sep 2016 #40
Orrex Sep 2016 #42
Skittles Sep 2016 #56
Skittles Sep 2016 #37
JustAnotherGen Sep 2016 #43
Shankapotomus Sep 2016 #44
Yonnie3 Sep 2016 #45
Phentex Sep 2016 #52
titaniumsalute Sep 2016 #53
Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2016 #47
MicaelS Sep 2016 #49
ProfessorGAC Sep 2016 #54
bigwillq Sep 2016 #48
Maru Kitteh Oct 2016 #60
Sunlei Sep 2016 #51
MFM008 Sep 2016 #55
Jersey Devil Sep 2016 #57
Blue_Tires Sep 2016 #59
canetoad Oct 2016 #61
Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #62

Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 02:07 PM

1. If you really think they're trolls, then alert on their posts.

You can be sure that MIRT is watching them too.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 02:16 PM

7. MIRT is ... what?

Didn't find MIRT in DU glossary
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_oet&address=358x190#k

Searching elsewhere I found:
Multidimensional Item Response Theory
Mobile Infrared Transmitter
Multidisciplinary International Research Training

So -- What is MIRT (in the context you meant)?

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Response to ColemanMaskell (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 02:23 PM

12. Monkeys In Real Trouble?

Mothers Interrupting Red Troubadours
Matt Inserted Rectal Thermometer

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Response to ColemanMaskell (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 02:50 PM

20. MIRT=Malicious Intruder Removal Team

It's a group of volunteer DUers who watch the new posters with post counts below 100 to make sure they aren't trolls. They serve a 3 month term. I've been on MIRT a few times and it's very interesting!

Being on MIRT gives you a close-up view of what sort of activities go on here on DU. If we didn't have this group, DU would be over-run with spammers and ugly people all the time.

EarlG puts up an announcement when the term is nearly over for new volunteers. Try it sometime! It's very educational.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #20)

Thu Sep 29, 2016, 11:12 AM

46. What a great name!

I would have never figured that out from the acronym MIRT though.

I had not idea that there was such a team. Good to know.

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Response to ColemanMaskell (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 03:03 PM

23. Malicious Intruders Removal Team



If you are concerned about a post you can always alert. Let the jury decide.

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Response to Fla Dem (Reply #23)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 03:26 PM

29. That is real "cloak and dagger" stuff.

 

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 02:19 PM

10. Well OK

Like I said I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. But I will start doing that

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 02:09 PM

2. Leave them alone.

No need to engage with someone who may be playing a loser's game.

I, personally, just don't have time for it.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 02:10 PM

3. I typically ignore them

especially when the post borders on the absurd and seems to try to drive us to some sort of extreme position.

I don't bother to alert, I don't reply... I just move on.

If they are a legit liberal, then I can respond to a later posting... and if not, eventually they get tired and go away.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 02:11 PM

4. Well, if you think they're bogus,

post a reply saying "Are you for real? Is this a bogus robo-post or are you just grammatically challenged?"

If they don't reply to that, they're probably a robot. uh, or grammatically challenged, in which case I'd be so embarrassed ... but if they don't reply in that case then they probably won't post again either, so it still works.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 02:13 PM

5. I think there is a rule against referring to new, or "low post" members as trolls.

Someone might alert YOU for this rude OP

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 02:26 PM

13. Someone might alert on YOU for personally attacking the OP and interfering with forum moderation.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #13)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 02:27 PM

14. That is not a personal attack. Go ahead and alert it.

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #14)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 02:33 PM

15. Good lawd, I am not going to alert on you.



Just pointing out the fact that strict adherence to "the rules" would have had your post hidden. Mine as well!

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 02:34 PM

16. Someone did.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #16)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 02:37 PM

17. As an SOP violation?

I can see that.

There seems to be a lot of meta threads lately.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #17)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 02:44 PM

18. It was ... No divisive group attacks

Meta is up to a jury as host no longer lock meta OPs.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #18)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 02:59 PM

21. I did not know that.

I always thought meta posts violated the SoP. I don't know why it would be different now.

Hunh... I wonder if they are slowly aiming to get rid of the hosting system?

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #21)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 03:01 PM

22. We are on the endangered list.

and I for one will really get bored

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #22)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 03:09 PM

25. LOL!



Cat: DU SoP violation

Dog: In_The_Wind (when the hosting system becomes extinct)

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #25)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 06:18 PM

41. I'll go batshitcrazy with nothing to do.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #16)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 03:23 PM

28. Reminds me of kindergarten---"I'm tellin' the teacher ".

 

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 03:59 PM

31. He is not calling out any individual new member. Big difference. . . . . . nt

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 04:23 PM

32. Really?? I never said the word troll...YOU did

And how the fuck was I rude? I asked a simple question.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 02:16 PM

6. MIRT works hard but some trolls get on, at least for awhile.

Alert if you believe rules are being broken.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 02:17 PM

8. low...I'm low but been here forever

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Response to Demonaut (Reply #8)

Tue Oct 4, 2016, 05:43 AM

63. I don't think they mean posters like us w/long histories and posts in the thousands

I think they mean the new people who show up during the most heated part of election time (like in the last two months and not during the primaries) and have less than 1,000 posts. There have been a bunch of these lately (some will only have two dozen posts for example), and it is noticeable how they post "bad news for Hillary"-type posts w/out posting anything positive or really contributing to discussions. At least that is what I am guessing the OP means.

It has happened every election since I joined DU circa 2004. I think 2008 was the worst for low-count "concern trolls" and straight-up interference from the Freepers.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 02:21 PM

11. Instead of calling them out ...

nicely tell them how their posts come across - too short - too whatever - try to engage them

or

scroll right past their posts.

I've read DU for a long time and been posting a short time. My observation is that there are argumentative and negative people with a high post count here too.

If they are trolls, opposition agents or enough of a bad person, MIRT seems to be effective.

Just my two cents.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 02:48 PM

19. People with 51,741 posts are the shadiest of all.

Watch out!

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Response to Orrex (Reply #19)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 03:20 PM

27. Actually, some are

there are some with high posts who never ever comment politically on anything - but jump into action when someone puts down a corporation.

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Response to womanofthehills (Reply #27)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 03:50 PM

30. "Five Figure F***heads", I like to call them

Quantity does not always equal quality.

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Response to womanofthehills (Reply #27)

Thu Sep 29, 2016, 11:24 AM

50. Then there are some who never

Post anything but links and an excerpt. No commentary at all.

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Response to womanofthehills (Reply #27)

Tue Oct 4, 2016, 06:01 AM

64. I learned the high post count issue after tangling with one who has since left DU

He/she had a few very intense obsessions. If one of those obsessions was mentioned, this poster would attack all posters disagreeing with his/her decidedly non-progressive point of view. I had to resort to ignore, which I use rarely, but the poster left after starting so many fights that nobody was charitable and stopped responding to the threads that OP would start (which would often feature clickbait, melodramatic titles)

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Response to Orrex (Reply #19)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 04:24 PM

33. Nice...LOL

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Response to Orrex (Reply #19)

Thu Sep 29, 2016, 05:35 PM

58. Regular bastards

 

and Methodists

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 03:05 PM

24. I have a low post count and I've been here pretty much daily since 2001. There are more trolls

these days than I've ever seen but low or high post counts are a side issue. You can usually tell the trolls by the content of their posts. Eventually something give them away.

Old timers will remember some of the shocking revelations of trolls, especially after presidential elections. For instance shortly after the 2004 election a number of high post early members revealed themselves to be trolls in dramatic farewell posts. I'm sure of the some old timers will remember that.

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Response to mulsh (Reply #24)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 04:26 PM

35. Yeah I've been around since about 2002

My current profile shows 2008 because I had some weird situation with passwords and old email addresses that the mods wouldn't reset. So I had to cancel and come back with a fresh account. I'm on here everyday. I read LBN and General everyday. But I don't post much.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 03:09 PM

26. Eh, I think the vast majority of people are savvy enough to see that for what it is.

 

People are amazingly perceptive about these things. They often even recognize other posters using sockpuppets, which is orders of magnitude more difficult to spot.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 04:24 PM

34. For years, the M.O. you describe has been used by MIs who enter DU on presidential election years.

I recall engaging one of them four years ago. The MI had a particular mission which I will not mention here because I do not want to see this thread become hijacked with a debate on that subject. Anyway, I notified an administrator a few times. I also exchanged personal messages with a fellow DUer who had been debating with thew MI as I was. The fellow DUer advised me not to fret because sooner or later the MI would slip up and get PPRed. Sure enough, that is what happened. Regardless, I understand your sense of disgust in watching the malicious infiltration cycle repeat.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 05:23 PM

36. I've never understood post count prejudice.

We all started with one post.

Oh yes, there are trolls. But MIRT rarely (if ever) misses one.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #36)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 05:26 PM

38. it's not just the low post count

it's the content - most of us joined DU and introduced ourselves or participated in a discussion regarding an issue that led us here - these repuke trolls, they're easy to spot - they're very stupid so they give themselves away while still in the single-digit post count - usually a confrontational question or a I'M VERY CONCERNED post

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Response to Skittles (Reply #38)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 05:30 PM

39. I agree with you there Skittles.

Sick to death of the concern posts.

Sadly, I've seen more than a few lately from long time posters...I see those posts as very thinly disguised misogyny.

But the others usually are found out sooner or later.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #39)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 05:34 PM

40. yup

it is distressing to see so much sexism / misogyny on DU

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Response to Skittles (Reply #38)

Thu Sep 29, 2016, 08:14 AM

42. I'm very concerned about your post

And your low post-count.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #42)

Thu Sep 29, 2016, 03:02 PM

56. I WILL KICK CONCERNED ORREX ASS

YES INDEED

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 05:23 PM

37. oh they crawl out of the woodwork when they are distressed

repuke trolls - I just call them out, let them know they DO NOT FOOL ME

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Thu Sep 29, 2016, 08:17 AM

43. Bring them up to the MIR Team

Seriously. If it is just a couple of dozen and they have just joined in the past few days - they could be trying to hit the magic number mark that takes it out of peers hands and puts the decision into Admins. Send it up to your peers.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Thu Sep 29, 2016, 08:27 AM

44. There should be a troll rehabilitation thread

Where if you post in it admitting you're a troll but want to make amends and reform yourself, you get to stay and won't be banned unless you have a relapse.

It might not eliminate all trolls but there has to be a statistical advantage to having such a thread if every now and then a troll reforms because they saw it.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Thu Sep 29, 2016, 11:08 AM

45. When I was a very low count poster I found that ...

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most DUers were welcoming and engaging, but some DUers were rude, dismissive and ascribed ulterior motives to my responses. I kept a list of them, so as to avoid confrontations. I was thinking they were suspicious of my low post count. I just reviewed my list and they are all gone from DU.

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Response to Yonnie3 (Reply #45)

Thu Sep 29, 2016, 11:43 AM

52. It does seem to work out that way...

when I joined I read posts by people who said they could smell a troll the minute it posted a time or two. I wondered how they knew. But over time, you really can spot them. Some manage to hang on for a while but most get the boot at some point.

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Response to Yonnie3 (Reply #45)

Thu Sep 29, 2016, 12:09 PM

53. I actually don't remember if I was treated well or not

I think a few times I got called out but I didn't care. Most of my stuff is pretty overwhelming pro-Dem.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Thu Sep 29, 2016, 11:13 AM

47. Yesterday, I was called to 2 juries on just flat out racist posts.

They used n*****r and everything. I couldn't believe it.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #47)

Thu Sep 29, 2016, 11:21 AM

49. Me either.

I alerted on one of them myself. It was pure filth and I said so.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #47)

Thu Sep 29, 2016, 12:31 PM

54. Eeep!

I get on a lot of juries, but i've never seen one that blatant. 90% of them i actually have to think about to decide whether the rule was clearly broken, borderline broken, or just not quite a violation.

But, i've never had one jury post where the decision was quite that obvious.

Yikes almighty!

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Thu Sep 29, 2016, 11:16 AM

48. Glad you're not on the welcoming committee

 

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Response to bigwillq (Reply #48)

Mon Oct 3, 2016, 08:05 PM

60. Ha. Maybe we should have an exit interview committee, too.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Thu Sep 29, 2016, 11:39 AM

51. anything with trump in headline should have its own forum. Not a single OP about Congress or Senate

and ways Ds can help those Ds who run for office.

Just the attention Donald loves, even negative attention is a daily win for the republican.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Thu Sep 29, 2016, 01:28 PM

55. I troll the repukes

BrietBart and others.
Just let it wash over you......

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Thu Sep 29, 2016, 03:11 PM

57. Well, I see dead people with high post counts

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Thu Sep 29, 2016, 07:21 PM

59. Just make a mental note and ignore 'em

They tend to only spring up during certain discussions, and repeat their weak-assed arguments and concern trolling like a broken record...

Don't bother alerting on them -- I've known of some posters with a stockpile of 50+ sockpuppet accounts... One gets banned, he/she moves on to the next.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Mon Oct 3, 2016, 08:09 PM

61. DU over the years

Has developed its own 'culture'. Newcomers obviously are not conversant with it and may appear awkward or slightly 'off' in the way they post. The blatant one post wonders deserve to be MIRTED straight away. Other than that, my preference is to wait and see a number of posts before forming an opinion.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Original post)

Tue Oct 4, 2016, 03:11 AM

62. do a term on MIRT.

If you don't know what MIRT is, find out, then do a term on it.

It's a great way to help address what is a constant issue.

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