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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsshould gay/bisexual atheists
be allowed the proper arms to defend ourselves?
safeinOhio
(32,641 posts)should those that would attack gay/bisexual atheists have free access to firearms?
Define proper arms, just so I will understand.
beergood
(470 posts)a 200lb male. with proper training
while i am a 100lb male with no training. i have received many beatings due to my beliefs. i do not deserve those beatings. i want the ability to fight back.
i have no desire to cause violence. i still desire the ability to defend myself from it.
safeinOhio
(32,641 posts)a can of mace would be just right. I'd suggest some proper training in self-defense can go a long way. I have watched many 200 lb guys get their butts kicked by a smaller person. Anyone with "proper training" would know not to attack anyone without being attacked. I would think you could end up in a bunch of trouble if you began to shoot unarmed attackers, that's why I suggest mace or taser against unarmed attackers.
Best of luck and I wish you well.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Admittedly, I totally stole the idea for the snooker ball weapon from a game coming out soon; but fuck me if it doesn't look functional. Dislocate a shoulder or disorient, douse in mace, haul ass.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)firearm in their house they may be subject to summary arrest and even a mandatory minimum prison sentence. Really, it's frightening how much prohibition there is, in the United States, on the freedom of consenting adults to obtain firearms for their own personal use.
Oh, wait, sorry, did I say firearms? Fuck that, you can get em at Wal-Mart. I must have meant weed.
beergood
(470 posts)but pot cant protect you from a mob of assholes intent on doing your harm just because you have a different ideology.
the reason i post this is because CA. is very pro pot, while being very anti-gun. CA basically banned the purchase of ammo. i can legally buy pot in this state easier than i can buy ammo. forget about obtaining the right to carry. they even restrict the type of knifes you can carry. CA does not recognize the the right of self defense.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)The law is that buying ammo in CA requires a background check. If you can't legally buy a gun you can't buy ammo. That's not a ban, it's a reasonable restriction.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)it is "basically banned" for violent felons who wouldn't be able to buy guns.
http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article88521977.html
A: No. But under Senate Bill 1235 as of July 2019 you will need to pass a background check, which involves the vendor running your information through a California Department of Justice system to see if you are prohibited from owning guns (for example, because of a violent felony). If not, you should be clear to buy.
So the only way your line about "i can legally buy pot in this state easier than i can buy ammo" (another salient difference being, the pot isn't ever going to kill anyone) would be logically consistent is if you are a violent felon prohibited from purchasing a firearm who also is a current California medical marijuana patient.
Otherwise, it's hyperbole.
Gun people need to get a grip. No one is going to take the precious.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)ever using it in self defense:
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/
http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=1814426
The question is what type of arms are you talking about, and how would they be effective?
beergood
(470 posts)i am more likely to be a victim of violence than a straight christen male.
should i just accept this? or should i fight back?
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)you would increase your risk of being a victim of firearm violence by possessing firearms yourself than you would without, regardless of other demographic considerations.
Firearms aren't, at least from what the evidence tells us, an effective means of self defense. If you have contrary evidence to justify owning firearms, I'm all ears.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)as a society, address the root causes of our disease of hate, fear, and aggression, or should we keep on hating and keep feeding the myth that more guns = more safety?
weapons=harm. i have no desire to cause harm, but rather to defend myself from harm. we should address the root cause of violence rather than the weapon used to cause violence. knives, swords, guns, crossbows, bows, fists, feet. are the tools of violence. but what is the cause? why do we harm ourselves, our environment, our fellow animals/insect? fear and hate is a strong motivator.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)why people seem to want, to need, to hate and to judge. Maybe because it gives them the internal excuse they need to commit violence.
Remove one object of hate and judgement and they simply move on to something else; they don't go away, and the original hate doesn't either; it just goes underground. There's such a long, long list of groups and things people hate. And they are all subject to some form of violence; physical and psychological/social/emotional.
RKP5637
(67,086 posts)thought about this many times, and I think some are addicted to hatred. They get a rush, endorphin high, from their hatred and comradery with those of similar ilk. It just feels good to them to hate, they are hard-wired for it.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)the source of all our societal and political dysfunctions.
How do we wean people off of hate, one person at a time?
beergood
(470 posts)hate of yourself leads to hate of others. i have experienced this myself, but i was rationale enough to recognize it.
as master yoda says.
It always leads back to the self. I've noted this many times, both with myself and with others.
TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)anything but the criminal for criminal acts.
Since you've jumped down the throat of everyone who answered Yes, I assume the answer you're looking for is No.
So there you go.
Happy now?
this was not my intent. i think i fucked up, in my phrasing of the question and my response to it. i shall leave it up as an example of my stupidity. thank you for your response.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)Not sure what the point of the rhetoric is.
beergood
(470 posts)in CA i must ask my legislatures to have the right to carry firearms. they even limit the type of knives we allowed to carry.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Are you not getting the answers you wanted?
beergood
(470 posts)CA legislators get to determine whether or not we CA residents can carry. they restrict the types of knives we can carry, as well as other self defence weapons we can carry. we can not carry batons, certain walking sticks are considered weapons. some places consider steel toe boots weapons. im am an ignorant piece of shit, please provide proof im wrong.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)You're asking me to provide proof that you're not an "ignorant piece of shit" as you call yourself?
I'm confused here.
i define myself a an ignorant piece of shit. what i ask is prove my ideology wrong. many people share my ideology, are we all wrong?
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)The answer to that question is no.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Guns only offer the Illusion of Omnipotence.
And atheism is not about the quest for Omnipotence, anyway.
beergood
(470 posts)i'm against ideology. prove me wrong and i will change my opinion.
i used to identify as cisgendered straight male. now i identify as a cisgendered bisexual male. i studied and read a lot of books. i am willing to change my beliefs, with adequate proof!
stone space
(6,498 posts)i'm against ideology. prove me wrong and i will change my opinion.
That's not the impression that I got in post #34
i define myself a an ignorant piece of shit. what i ask is prove my ideology wrong. many people share my ideology, are we all wrong?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028200185#post34
beergood
(470 posts)each other, while i have an ideology, i am willing to change it with adequate proof.
i used to be a christian who was opposed to homosexelity. i am now an athesit bisexeual. i changed my beliefs after studying and reading other texts than the bible.
i am willing to change my beliefs with adequate proof.
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)How did you get all that from the OP?
stone space
(6,498 posts)But as an atheist, I don't like being used to push the Religion of the NRA.
beergood
(470 posts)the nra ila is backlash to anti gunners
agin i am willing to change my beliefs/ideas provided the proper proof.
beergood
(470 posts)but still an idiot.
i have read comic books, manga, the US constitution, the US declaration of independence, the federalist papers, the anti-federalist papers, 1984, animal farm, a brave new world, communist manifesto, and many others. there is still much i need to learn.
prove me wrong!
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)Understood.
Carry on.
TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)To LGBT people specifically?
The answer to that question is no.
There is a problem though with du gun nuts pretending their nuttiness is about civil rights violations
cwydro
(51,308 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)rights everybody else has??!! really? i think your anti-gun extremism has may be clouding you judgement.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Enhance your gun insanity. I said the government is not impeding LGBT gun rights. That is an accurate statement
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)I can't think of any reason why the fuck not.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)As you can comply with on the questions on a Form 4473, you can purchase a firearm.
Whether you should or not is up to you. A gun is not a talisman against criminals, it is not like a crucifix against a vampire.
It a tool for use in the gravest extreme when your life, or those of loved may be on danger.
If you are not psychologically and mentally prepared for the possibility of having to take human life, do not buy a firearm for self defense.
In fact the same would apply to any deadly weapon.
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TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)defend themselves, and they should absolutely have that right. i am also a small gay atheist and somewhat gender non-conforming, and let me tell you, i have run into more than a few people (total strangers) who i am certain would have killed me if they thought they could get away with it. i don't carry a weapon, but i can definitely understand the need of some people to do that. the anti-gun absolutism (cultural and legal) is unquestionably biased against smaller people (and pretty much all women, consequently), because it penalizes these people for using a weapon to defend themselves, while larger people are able to defend themselves, or commit assault/murder with their bare hands.
beergood
(470 posts)for now, prove me otherwise?
just people who disagree.
beergood
(470 posts)for your response. i enjoy reading and learning of your different opinions.