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Sat Oct 1, 2016, 03:49 PM

Fellow DU women: what woman in her right mind would "advocate" for a woman who slept with her

husband? It's not like she didn't know he was married, unlike that poor woman who got mixed up with Scott Peterson. All these fucking hypocritical men tsk tsking about Hillary's"enabling" is infuriating. Forget the fact that they're lying about Hillary"attacking" these women mercilessly, how DARE Gingrinch, Ghouliani, and all the other mansplainers tell women how to act and feel. I really hope this blows up in his bloated, orange, disgusting face big time.

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Reply Fellow DU women: what woman in her right mind would "advocate" for a woman who slept with her (Original post)
catbyte Oct 2016 OP
radical noodle Oct 2016 #1
The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2016 #2
hlthe2b Oct 2016 #3
SummerSnow Oct 2016 #37
meadowlark5 Oct 2016 #4
RB TexLa Oct 2016 #42
meadowlark5 Oct 2016 #44
lunatica Oct 2016 #5
procon Oct 2016 #6
Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2016 #20
skylucy Oct 2016 #48
napi21 Oct 2016 #7
Scarsdale Oct 2016 #16
calimary Oct 2016 #19
Arkansas Granny Oct 2016 #8
calimary Oct 2016 #21
catbyte Oct 2016 #25
Arkansas Granny Oct 2016 #28
catbyte Oct 2016 #45
onecaliberal Oct 2016 #9
kestrel91316 Oct 2016 #46
womanofthehills Oct 2016 #47
Greybnk48 Oct 2016 #10
niyad Oct 2016 #11
Scarsdale Oct 2016 #17
AnotherMother4Peace Oct 2016 #12
smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #13
nolabear Oct 2016 #14
Scarsdale Oct 2016 #18
homegirl Oct 2016 #15
Stinky The Clown Oct 2016 #22
KALD Oct 2016 #23
wryter2000 Oct 2016 #31
KT2000 Oct 2016 #24
Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #26
lunamagica Oct 2016 #27
mcar Oct 2016 #29
Rex Oct 2016 #40
wryter2000 Oct 2016 #30
TeamPooka Oct 2016 #32
Warpy Oct 2016 #33
David__77 Oct 2016 #34
WillowTree Oct 2016 #35
pansypoo53219 Oct 2016 #36
SummerSnow Oct 2016 #38
kskiska Oct 2016 #39
AnotherMother4Peace Oct 2016 #43
-Steph- Oct 2016 #41
underahedgerow Oct 2016 #49

Response to catbyte (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 03:50 PM

1. Exactly

It burns me up and I imagine a lot of women will feel the same way.

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 04:03 PM

2. Anyone whose spouse/significant other cheated on her

will not have warm fuzzy feelings for the "other woman" and, if asked, probably will not have kind things to say about her. Any woman who has experienced this situation (and probably any man) knows this. Nobody is going to blame Hillary for not defending or embracing Bill's girlfriends.

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 04:07 PM

3. the delusional attitudes that men like Trump have about this absolutely "slay" me.

I'll just leave it at that...

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 06:43 PM

37. I bet when Donald was caught cheating, he told his then wives they

were not allowed to say anything negative about the other women. I bet he defended his mistresses

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 04:07 PM

4. Most women don't take kindly to other women messing with their man

These women knew he was married and had the affair anyway. I think some of them did it on purpose for possible fame and notoriety. Did any of them really think he was going to leave Hillary and marry them while he was President of the United States?

Trying to make them seem like they were innocent victims that Bill Clinton preyed upon is going to be pretty hard to do.

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Response to meadowlark5 (Reply #4)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 07:08 PM

42. "their man"? WTF? Men aren't possessions.

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Response to RB TexLa (Reply #42)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 07:18 PM

44. Ok Strunk and White

Tell me how that sentence should be constructed to show relationship to a man?

Or, I hope, you're being facetious.

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 04:08 PM

5. self deleted - comment was off topic

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 04:15 PM

6. Rightwingers keep throwing out the word "feminist", claiming Hillary fails their test du jour.

Obviously that word means something really bizzarro to them, and whatever that is, it's totally different than how I define feminism. In their fantasy, maybe they think Hillary was supposed to join them in a menage a trois and then write her a letter of recommendation.

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Response to procon (Reply #6)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 05:15 PM

20. Ask them if they "uphold and defend women". Use exactly those words. Then

Then ask them if they would like to hear Donald J. tRump speak for most of 30 seconds in an ad. Show them the Mirrors ad. Wait silently until they speak first after the ad. Then ask them what they would do if someone they knew said that to their daughter or wife.

If they realize the jig is up and don't want to watch the ad ("You're trying to trick me, it's a Hillary ad.", tell them they're strong enough, they can take it, and it won't affect them (of course it will affect them). Gently dare them to watch it.

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Response to procon (Reply #6)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 11:14 PM

48. Great post! I gotta remember that one the next time someone says

Hillary was "mean" to the woman who had affairs with Bill.

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 04:15 PM

7. I think those men who criticize Hillary for not speaking more kindly about the women who played

around with Bill SHOULD BE CONGRATULATIANG HER FOR NOT SAYING "I'd like to kill them!" I don't mean she would, but that would be the feelings of most betrayed women.

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Response to napi21 (Reply #7)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 05:03 PM

16. Ivana and Marla

They had a cat fight at a resort in Aspen. tRump took Ivana and kids to the resort. Maples was at the same resort on another floor. Ivana found out, and they had a very loud argument. Hillary NEVER did anything like that. Finally, both women discovered that tRump is not worth fighting for, unlike Bill when Hillary decided to hold on to their marriage. This sex tape from Playboy with tRump in it, was that made AFTER his marriage to Maleria?

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Response to Scarsdale (Reply #16)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 05:13 PM

19. I remember back then, Ivana Trump, with her accent, referred to Marla as "Moola."

Don't know if she meant that as some of us would interpret it to mean, but Ivana was a smart woman.

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 04:17 PM

8. It really rankles when these remarks come from men who cheated on their wives.

Can there be a more blatant display of the old double standard?

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #8)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 05:20 PM

21. Yeah, isn't that rich?

One of 'em (rudy giuliani) announced he was divorcing his wife ON TELEVISION, before he ever bothered to tell her. AND he moved his then-mistress into the Mayor's mansion WHILE his wife was still living there, with their under-age son. She was Donna Hanover and she was publicly humiliated, because she was a local TV personality - so everybody in New York knew who she was, in her own right, as well as the wife of the mayor.

The other of 'em (ol' newty) had the "elegance" and "class" to deliver divorce papers to her while she was in the hospital as a cancer patient. I remember reading how he allegedly told her he needed someone better-looking and "more presidential-looking" on his arm than she was.

Utter CADS, both these vile weasels. No wonder they're both working together, side-by-side, on behalf of yet another weasel. The three of 'em belong together. Three Blind Lice.

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Response to calimary (Reply #21)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 05:38 PM

25. Three Blind Lice-- touche!

They are all so utterly vile.

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Response to calimary (Reply #21)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 05:59 PM

28. Three Blind Lice - it does have a ring to it.

Did you see this post earlier today?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512458361

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #28)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 07:22 PM

45. OMG!

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 04:30 PM

9. It will not go over well with women who've had cheating spouses before for certain.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #9)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 10:08 PM

47. And according to many studies that's about half of the population

Studies are all over the place with some studies saying 50 to 70 percent of men have cheated and 30 per cent or more women have cheated.

Most choose to remain with their spouses esp if children are involved, so Hillary will have many women who identify with her. God, Trump is so stupid.

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 04:33 PM

10. A feminist is a female or male, and also a human being.

Normal human beings usually feel dislike all the way up to raging hatred toward someone who went after their mate and their family. That is what's natural, especially if it's a threat to their children.

A human reaction like hers only makes Hillary more human, not less of a feminist, but remember, we are dealing with people who do not deal in the currency of rational thought.

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 04:35 PM

11. well, they say that because of all the women they have put in that same place--how many affairs

have those three adulterous bastards had between them? how many marriages (nine, isn't it?) actually, I would rather it blew up in another part of his anatomy, assuming we could find it.

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Response to niyad (Reply #11)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 05:07 PM

17. Flashlight

You will need a flashlight AND a magnifying glass. Why do you think he has to PAY for it? The women do not chase after him, the way they did Bill. Have you seen him without that overerly padded suit coat? Those naked statues look GOOD compared to how he looks in golf shirts.

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 04:44 PM

12. Hell no I wouldn't "advocate" for her (whatever that means) - she knew he was married and

she saw how it humiliated Hillary was - the whole nation saw it - it was heartbreaking. Hillary and Bill have worked it out. I wonder if she ever got an apology from the home wreaker.

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 04:47 PM

13. Hear, hear!

What you said!

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 04:55 PM

14. No matter what we would do, most of us understand the fantasy of doing what she did.

Infuriated, with some ambition of your own that's being truly messed with in addition to the betrayal. Smart. Adore your child and hell, even him in addition to wanting to kill him. Not willing to give up anything, but truly, truly angry. So you float some ideas and say some things and think better of it and grit your teeth and pay one of them off to just be rid of it. And you hear about it every damn day for the next thirty years. And you survive. And you don't buckle. And you win.

Yeah, I can get behind that.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #14)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 05:11 PM

18. Exactly

I admire Hillary. More class in her little finger than any of those bimbos, or any tRump family member present or past.

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 05:00 PM

15. I have to wonder

if it was Hillary who had multiple affairs and three husbands what Trump, Gingrich and Guliani would be spouting. Always interesting to examine these situations from a different perspective.



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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 05:26 PM

22. Rec!!! I have been saying this since this whole pile of bullshit started.

The mansplainers need to be slapped down by women and men who understand and support.

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 05:29 PM

23. If women went after my hubby knowing he's married..

I would have a few choice words for them. Although in the end I would blame my hubby more. That said, this would be a HUGE mistake for the GOP and that orange idiot to go there. Repub women I know are not happy about them pointing the finger at Hillary for Bill's indiscretions.

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Response to KALD (Reply #23)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 06:07 PM

31. Welcome to DU

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 05:35 PM

24. Is this some guy's hallucination

that his wife would love and advocate for women he has slept with??
They should do a "listening tour" to fully understand how women feel about this. What idiots.

I know of one woman who took her husband's dirty laundry to the mistress's house and handed it over to her. She told her it was her responsibility now if she wanted him so much.

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 05:39 PM

26. Hillary should just let him go there, and keep talking issues and qualifications.

The American people know what they're voting for, and it's not "who has the best marriage"

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 05:42 PM

27. It's beyond incomprehensible that this is even being discussed

And I wonder why no one EVER asks these women pushing this line of attack on Hillary what would they do in her place.

Same thing with the men why aren't they asked what their reaction would be if their wives cheated on them? Would they feel a sense of "solidarity" towards "the other" man

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 06:01 PM

29. It's not even a double standard

It's the Hillary standard, applied only to this woman.

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Response to mcar (Reply #29)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 06:57 PM

40. That is it right there!

 

It is disgusting how badly HRC has been treated.

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 06:06 PM

30. I don't think this is going to do him any good

His followers will love it, but nothing penetrates that cloud of ignorance.

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 06:22 PM

32. In Trump's mind his wives and mistresses should get along and maybe even join him in a threesome

The dude thinks he's like Hugh Hefner.
That's why he did all that Playboy stuff back in the day.

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 06:28 PM

33. "She auditioned for younger trophy wife and didn't get the part"

is about the kindest I've been once the affair was over.

I eventually took a hike and never looked back.

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 06:29 PM

34. The spouse breaks an agreement in cheating.

If, indeed, there is cheating (sex with others isn't cheating is agreeable to both partners), the spouse broke the agreement and not the third party. I can understand being angry with the third party.

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 06:30 PM

35. That's their private business not their politics.

I don't judge candidates on either side on such things.

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 06:37 PM

36. glass houses. glass houses.

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 06:48 PM

38. Check out this old article about Guliani and his mistress he married. * Interesting*

No Grace At Gracie Mansion

By Margaret Carlson Sunday, May 20, 2001/ TIME magazine

What will we tell the children? Republicans liked wringing their hands over that one, adding the bad example set by Bill Clinton to their reasons for impeaching him. So what are G.O.P. leaders thinking as their flagship mayor, Rudy Giuliani of New York City, risks damaging his children by publicly berating their mother and declaring his eternal love for a woman not his wife? On Friday his kids and the other 1.5 million children in the five boroughs awoke to tabloids screaming RUDY AND JUDI 4 EVER after Giuliani defended his girlfriend Judith Nathan in the wake of a PEOPLE magazine story. Giuliani gushed that the "very caring and loving" Nathan "doesn't deserve being treated this way. I feel very bad for her, more than anyone else, because she deserves it the least."

Oh, really? What do Andrew, 15, and Caroline, 11, deserve? A Dad who trashes their mother? After Giuliani's estranged wife Donna Hanover asked a judge to bar Nathan from visiting Gracie Mansion, the official residence (where the family still lives), and argued against a gag order in the case, Giuliani unleashed his lawyer Raoul Felder. Starting on Mother's Day, no less, Felder called Hanover an "uncaring mother" who stayed in a dead marriage for "twisted motives." Though her lawyer Victor Kovner says the couple agreed that Hanover should continue living in Gracie Mansion until her apartment is available, Felder made her sound like the interloper "howling like a stuck pig," who would have to be pulled "from the chain of the chandeliers" to remove her. In an attempt to win sympathy and perhaps absolution from the Roman Catholic Archdiocese, Felder volunteered that Rudy wasn't violating the Sixth Commandment because his treatment for prostate cancer had left him impotent.

Does Giuliani think his kids or their schoolyard friends --and enemies--don't read the papers? G.O.P. outrage must be in the same lockbox it rested in when family-values conservatives like Newt Gingrich, Henry Hyde and Dan Burton were found to have indulged in the same conduct for which they were condemning others. Rudy himself is a Morality Czar, trying to shut down strip clubs and block funding for museums he finds offensive to Catholics. He's becoming offensive to Catholics. Can someone shut him down?

Before the Mother's Day massacre, Rudy was poised to leave City Hall on a wave of goodwill, with the door open to future office. Despite announcing the end of his marriage to the press corps before he told his wife, he had garnered a level of public sympathy not usually available to adulterers, perhaps because news of his sickness and "good friend" struck at about the same time. New Yorkers are both practical (grateful to the mayor for reviving the city) and romantic (a man looking the Grim Reaper in the eye should be allowed a second chance at happiness). It helped that Nathan wasn't an intern, that she was taking him in sickness, not in health, and that the mayor was following the first rule of civilized divorce: dwell not on your ex's faults as a spouse but on her virtues as a parent. Back then he praised Hanover as "a wonderful mother."

The marriage had long been a cold affair. Hanover had dropped his name, avoided his company and suggested he might not get her vote. She appeared in the R-rated Vagina Monologues. Overall, she came across less as the wronged wife (see Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton) than as an enabler clinging to the perks of office (see First Lady Hillary Clinton).

When Rudy gets mad, he gets even. Just ask the people he's sent packing. Think of Hanover as former police commissioner William Bratton or as a squeegee man. Hanover doesn't want the kids to meet Judi at Gracie Mansion? Well, then, she's got a warped agenda and "doesn't care what happens to the children." Felder let it be known that Giuliani has to sleep in the den, with the bath down the hall, where he runs as many as eight times a night to vomit while his wife lives like a queen in the master bedroom. But that kind of ghastly candor repelled the public, and Giuliani finally shut down Felder, who explained that his pre-emptive attack was just lawyer's "hardball." Like another famous wife, Hanover does not naturally inspire affection. But like another famous husband, Rudy has engendered it for her. He's making Hanover look so much like a victim that she might consider running for office. Hillary's seat is up in 2006.

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,127260,00.html

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 06:50 PM

39. They really should look up Monica's history

She had an affair with her college professor, at the same time she pretended to be best friends with his wife and babysat their children. Then she announced her plans to head to D.C. and get her "Presidential Kneepads." She came on to Clinton every place he was appearing, standing on his rope lines and even fondling him as he leaned over toward her. Then she'd wear a thong to work and flip up her skirt so he'd notice. He certainly didn't "attack" her. He most likely wouldn't have even noticed her if she hadn't chase him. On top of it all, she blabbed and boasted of her exploits with Linda Tripp, getting advice on how to keep him. Then Clinton had second thoughts and wanted out of the relationship, as she'd always told him either party could end it That's when she began to threaten him, and she was reassigned to another job. Enter Ken Starr.

Now Poor Monica is a victim.

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Response to kskiska (Reply #39)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 07:13 PM

43. Oh my - she is every wife's worst nighmare.

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2016, 07:02 PM

41. I think Don, the serial cheater who wants to date his daughter, will come off looking even worse

than normal if he decides to pursue this line of garbage at the next debate. It's not going to play well with anyone other than his deplorable base. This isn't the kind of issue that most voters, outside of his basket of deplorables, care about and I predict it's going to backfire on him.

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Sun Oct 2, 2016, 12:51 AM

49. Sometimes, sex is just sex, and 'infidelity' just is what it is. Sometimes the bonds, the marriage

and the partnership are far more valuable than indiscretions and the fallibility of being human -- and male.

I become very sad when I see long term, lovely partnerships dissolve over petty issues -- and yes, I think that a momentary dalliance IS petty. I suppose if the other person truly falls in love with someone else, it's time for them to move on. But to split up over that need for a break, to take a breather after some 25 years, well... it's not always the right decision. I think that often people in long term relationships need a gap year, why not?

I have no respect for people who make an effort to seduce someone in a partnership, that's very rude and unethical, and it speaks to their lack of character, immaturity and self-control.

That being said, humans are genuinely often very weak creatures when it comes to sex and alleged attraction.

It's astonishing to see people destroy their lives just for sex. Men risking their lives just for sex (AIDS), people tarnishing their lifelong careers for sex, (clinton). Seriously, risking so much, risking everything one has worked for, for a few moments of pleasure.... it's irrational. People need to learn to control themselves.

Mrs. Clinton made an excellent choice in forgiving her husband. She recognizes that his weakness is not worth throwing away a life-long friendship and partnership. She's not obligated to feel anything about the females with whom he has dallied. And while she's entitled to be critical, but it's not worth thinking about for more than a moment. Petty grudges are pointless.

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