Bill: "My girl's got more juice than I ever dreamed"

[bigtree]

Danny Freeman ?@DannyEFreeman 14h14 hours ago
Quite the riff from @billclinton tonight in Pensacola, FL making fun of a @realDonaldTrump debate attack on Clinton.

[SusanCalvin]

1. Dunno about anybody else, but Bill gets my back up here. nt

[Barack_America]

4. The word "Hillary" would have sufficed.

On the verge of becoming our first female president, Bill wants us all to know that she still "belongs" to him.

[SusanCalvin]

8. Glad to know I'm not the only one who took it that way. nt

[bigtree]

10. ffs, he gave an entire speech singing her praises

...I think you've read all the wrong things into this. He's clearly rejecting Trump's argument that she should have single-handedly solved all of the nation's issues over the past thirty years, and I think he makes a good case. As Senator and SoC, Hillary wasn't in any position to dictate or unilaterally make things happen in Washington. That's what he's referring to, not any nonsense about who she 'belongs to.' That's purely your own invention.

[emulatorloo]

29. +1

[AgadorSparticus]

73. +1,000!!!

[heaven05]

82. thank you

[BlueCaliDem]

84. +2k. I thought it was endearing to hear Bill call her "my girl". She's *our* girl, too!

Some people are just too sensitive...which reminds me of this scene in Branden Frasier's "Bedazzled".

Skip through to 5:00 to see the scene where "Allison" says it. Hilarious.

[Starry Messenger]

95. That poster would take lemonade and turn it back into lemons. Just ignore the sour flavor.

[cwydro]

39. Oh what nonsense.

I'm quite sure Bill doesn't think Hillary "belongs" to him.

But it wouldn't be DU with a poutrage dujour.

[hughee99]

59. Normally, this is the sort of thing people would

Only find offensive if a republican said it.

[AgadorSparticus]

74. No. Most republicans are not saying it to sing her praises. Context and content matters.

[hughee99]

86. I'm referring to the term "my" as in "my girl"

When a republican says it, people here might see it as misogyny whereas when a dem says it, it's usually excused as "we know what they really meant".

[AgadorSparticus]

87. I know what you meant. It is not a matter of excusing it b/c someone is a Democrat

If you factor in context and content, it is CLEAR what it means. Problem is that some people can't see the forest for the trees. They just zero in on 1 word.

[hughee99]

88. I don't think most people misunderstand the usage and context because they're focused on 1 word.

I think most people who want to make a political issue of it intentionally ignore context and content because it doesn't help their argument

[AgadorSparticus]

89. This whole thread is an example of it. Bill Clinton gave an entire speech praising Hillary

And uses "my girl" as a term of endearment and people only talk about the use of "my girl". Forest. Trees...

[George II]

54. Yep. That's how married people who truly respect each other feel, they "belong" to each other...

....my parents were married for 65 years and even at the very end they felt that way.

You may have missed the number of times during the debates when Hillary Clinton referred to the 42nd President as "my husband".

[Ellen Forradalom]

112. I heard a wry humor in that formulation

Hillary-as-my-gal as the equally ridiculous inverse of Hillary-as-dictator-of-the-world.

[Dorian Gray]

122. Yeah

the language bugged me, too. "My girl"

I know what he was going for, though. Mockery of Trump.

But language matters.

[Barack_America]

125. My point entirely.

I get that they have true affection for one another, but with the position she's about to be in, perhaps skip the intimacies and focus on the respect?

[snooper2]

126. Have you ever been married to a man or woman? Every been proud of a long time girl/boy friend?

[Barack_America]

128. Yes, but have never spoken about their accomplishments on a national stage.

If I were to, I like to think that I would skip the terms of endearment/possession and focus on language that conveys respect.

[PunksMom]

131. I didn't take it that way

I too think it was very endearing, and down to earth. Maybe to her, he's "my guy"
😊

[Upin]

139. That's a reach....

She's 'his' wife... He's 'her' husband...

Same thing goes for girl/guy etc...

[msanthrope]

18. Lighten up, Francis.

https://m.

[SusanCalvin]

19. Oh, great response! Appreciate the originality. nt

[msanthrope]

21. Watch the Temptations and chill, would be my advice. nt

[SusanCalvin]

23. I'll give it the consideration it is due. nt

[msanthrope]

26. And chill. She's got this. nt

[SusanCalvin]

28. Again, I will give your unsolicited advice the consideration it is due. nt

[msanthrope]

33. it is not unsolicited... You realize you are posting on a public message board? nt

[SusanCalvin]

38. Sure do.

And what I am offering is my opinion on a topic, not direct advice to the person with whom I am conversing.

I don't believe I have offered you, or anyone here to my recollection, any advice that was not requested.

If I'm wrong about that, I apologize and retract any unsolicited advice I may have inadvertently offered.

[msanthrope]

44. Ah. It is interesting that you think I am limited to you in my reply by something

other than the TOS.

I am not.

[SusanCalvin]

77. Well, actually, let me amend that to....

Unsolicited advice that amounts to "shut up."

I don't react well to that. What am I supposed to say? Golly gee sir/madam, now that you point it out, I do see that I should not have expressed that opinion. Thank you for correcting me and I will remember to shut up in the future?

When I no longer find a "conversation" productive, I generally leave, which I am now actually, completely doing.

I see I attracted a lot of replies. "Thank you" or "Dear Sir/Madam, you may be right," as applicable.

[msanthrope]

101. Well, you replied to yourself, but I think you meant to reply to me. "Shut up" is not language

that I use. Perhaps you confuse the TOS here with the TOS of another board.

[JTFrog]

35. Which is more than your unsolicited reply warranted.

Some folks aren't happy unless they are raining on someone else's parade.

[SusanCalvin]

41. Please see #38. nt

[George II]

48. And yet you give quasi-advice on how a great President should speak about his wife...

....and future President, even though he's complimenting her.

[yardwork]

63. Our friends recently returned from JPR have their panties in a wad.

They're the only ones allowed to insult and demean Hillary!

[JTFrog]

68. I guess they prefer the c-word to "my girl".

I wish they would just stay away.

[msanthrope]

72. I wonder if said JPR denzien objected to the "c-word" being used at that site. nt

[Barack_America]

110. I'm a prolific JPR poster? News to me.

Haven't looked at that site in nearly 6 months, but don't let the truth interrupt your smearing.

[awoke_in_2003]

94. +1000. nt

[Hekate]

118. +1000

What a dumb thread

[George II]

46. Twenty lines of text and you zero in on the last line? C'mon, they've been together...

...for almost 40 years, I think they know how they can speak about each other at this time.

[madaboutharry]

51. It's a term of endearment.

No need to over analyze.

[DemonGoddess]

66. ^^^This!!!

[treestar]

76. Exactly

Hard to believe anyone would make an issue of that.

[Hekate]

100. Oh for the love of Pete. In context, it's an affectionate term, husband to wife.

[mercuryblues]

2. LOL.

Now compare that to what Trump said last night.

H/T to mrhighwaisted

[Barack_America]

3. Go away, Bill. Not helpful.

[JTFrog]

42. Lol, ok. n/t

[semby2]

7. Huh?

I'm flabbergasted by some of the discussion in this thread. They are a long time married couple. They're going to use terms that make sense to them.

People who have a problem with this are nuts.

[SusanCalvin]

9. Nut here.

And if my husband referred to me that way, even unscripted, that's where I'd barely restrain myself from giving him a swift kick.

[bigtree]

13. I read affection and pride in his expression

"my girl" ...consistent with almost every reference he makes to his wife.

[SusanCalvin]

15. Oh, it absolutely was, in his own way.

I'm saying I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of the way it was expressed, were it my husband. Of course, mine wouldn't express it that way. And I sure wouldn't want to be married to Bill.

[qazplm]

64. well great

that's you.

[SusanCalvin]

45. OK.

"Dear Sir/Madam, You may be right."

http://timetowrite.blogs.com/weblog/2013/11/a-phrase-that-will-save-you-time-energy-and-possibly-your-sanity.html

I'm out. Thread trashed.

[bigtree]

49. you know, Susan

...discussion like this is what the board is actually designed for. Time well spent, for the offering of your perspective and insight.

[yardwork]

61. Really.

[ProfessorGAC]

135. A Swift Kick?

Okay, at this point i have to ask if you're doing a bit.

Guy mentions his famous and successful wife as "my girl" and you come unglued, and your point of emphasis is that you would do bodily harm to your own husband.

As i already asked: Is this a bit?

[Orrex]

138. Can your husband kick you if you say something that he doesn't like?

What sort of agreement have you established by which you can commit domestic violence in response to a spoken comment?

[JI7]

12. i know some gay guys who use that term when referring to her

Usually it means "my team" in things like"wishing my girl good luck in the debate today".

[SusanCalvin]

14. I'd be OK with that.

My husband? Nope.

And the "more than I ever dreamed" didn't help. So at one point he didn't think her so capable? The more I think of it, the more it sounds like a father speaking of a daughter.

[bigtree]

16. he was being sarcastic

...referring to the inane Trump charge that she should be held responsible for the failure of the political system to solve these problems we face.

[SusanCalvin]

17. I'm aware of the main thrust of the remarks,

as I read them it the OP. I'm referring to the part the OP chose to highlight. I might not even have noticed it otherwise.

[bigtree]

20. it's a good quip

...in context with the thrust of his remarks.

It's not meant as a literal impression of his wife's worth or effort, but as a sarcastic response to Trump, illustrating how ridiculous he was to suggest her 30 years life experience was negated by her failure to solve the problems he raised in the debate.

[SusanCalvin]

22. Listened to, I concede the possibility.

In print, nothing can be gotten from tone of voice or body language. Plus the way I took it in print matches the way I feel about Bill, I will admit.

[bigtree]

24. I appreciate your remarks

...I'm definitely going to think twice before again referring to my wife of 36 years as 'my girl.'

[SusanCalvin]

27. Oh, if she's OK with it, don't let my opinion stop you.

[bigtree]

30. of course, now I have absolutely no idea!

...thanks Ms. Calvin.

[SusanCalvin]

32. Sorry about that!

[cwydro]

36. My sister refers to her that way too.

She has for a long time.

[Brickbat]

11. I'll allow it.

[AgadorSparticus]

97. Put the stir stick down, please.

[JonathanRackham]

53. "My girls"?

I wish he'd of picked better words.

[romanic]

56. *clutches pearls*

[Skittles]

93. I'm getting the vapors, romanic

PASS THE SMELLING SALTS!!!

[Odin2005]

57. "Your girl"? Seriously Bill?

[yardwork]

62. I've seen Hillary called far worse on certain websites.

Things have a way of living forever on the internet. There's outrage over referring to a beloved wife as "my girl" but its the height of progressivism to refer to her as ..... well, you know.

[WinkyDink]

70. Is it the "my" or the "girl" you object to? Can't be "my," lest you want him not to say "my wife."

So it must be "girl," amirite?

Ooooh, look at that! A GROWN-ASS WOMAN BEING CALLED A "GIRL"!!

I'm here to tell you that, God willing my reaching 67 on November 5, Bill Clinton can call me a "girl" any time and twice on Sundays.

Pbbbbbbt!

[GulfCoast66]

117. My wife is 56

And loves it when I tell her she is as cute as the girl I fell in love with 30 years ago. And of course, she is

[yardwork]

60. This doesn't bother me at all. And I'm a lesbian.

[4lbs]

65. I checked on the hullabaloo on this thread, but being part Mexican, part Asian, an immigrant,

with a father who converted to Islam and is a war veteran, I have other things to be "offended" about, and they were all said by the Republican candidate.

[WinkyDink]

71. We have a winner! :-)

[WinkyDink]

69. Aw, c'mon! "My girl" is an endearment of PRIDE, fergawdsakess! Not to mention an old man's wistful

look back at their younger and closer days.

I got sunshine on a cloudy day.....................

[AgadorSparticus]

75. This "outrage" is what gives feminism a bad name.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

81. no, this sort of navel gazing is what people use to excuse their lack of support for feminism. nt

[romanic]

96. Navel gazing?

Like Barbara Eden's character in "I Dream of Jeannie"?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

109. Like pretending that saying my girl is offensive

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[romanic]

132. Agree.

The outrage over "my girl" is OTT and ridiculous.

[AgadorSparticus]

98. This isn't feminism. It is oversensitivity. There is a difference.

But I'm sure it will be lost on you and others like you.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

107. Do you understand what I'm saying?

Clearly not from your comments

[AgadorSparticus]

113. Terms of endearment aren't always condescension. That is where content and context comes in

So when EVERY use of terms of endearment gets met with cries of "woe is feminism", it dilutes the cause and meaning---as in this case with Bill Clinton...absurd as it is to do so. So, yes. I understand fully.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

115. You misunderstood what I said and are now waging

Accusations for no apparrant reason

[AgadorSparticus]

121. When 3 people don't understand what you are trying to say, then perhaps it is how you said it

And you make no attempt to clarify....

[TCJ70]

102. So..."Agree or you're a misogynist"? N/t

[La Lioness Priyanka]

106. Can you read?

[TCJ70]

114. Your intent, whatever it was, was apparently lost on three separate people...

...and you think I can't read. Maybe you can't write?

[JTFrog]

124. You know who else whines about feminism?

Republicans. MRA's. Donald Trump. Rat fuckers.

Feminism isn't a dirty word and doesn't have a "bad name" to progressive, liberal Democrats.

[AgadorSparticus]

137. Don't put words in my mouth. I never said feminism is a dirty word.

Nor are all critiques of it from all the aforementioned. THERE are plenty of progressives critiquing the absurd response to the "my girl" as you can see by this thread.

When you clump all terms of endearment into one pile without context or content, then yes, it makes feminism look bad. It dilutes its credibility and opens doors for more mysogynistic bullshit. If you want change, don't give them dumb fodder to chew on.

[JTFrog]

141. Nothing makes feminism look bad.

I don't need permission to make things change. I am woman. Hear me roar. Those that would look down their nose at feminism over some shit like this don't need the fodder. They chew on air if it's all they got.

But your concern is noted.

[AgadorSparticus]

142. Overreaction without common sense is a good thing, I guess....

your concern is also duly noted.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

80. she is his girl. as he his her guy. people who love each other talk like that.

so much unnecessary outrage on this thread.

[madinmaryland]

85. Thank you!! It's the DU Poutrage of the Day...

BTW, my wife and I have "special names" and references to each other. I think most couples do.

[Dorian Gray]

123. I'm not outraged about this

not in the least.

It slightly irks me that she's referred to as a girl. But that's in the same vein as her twitter account description. Wife, Mother, grandmother are listed first. She's a bad-ass woman who gets things done, but I feel like they purposefully try to humanize her in such a way that "diminishes" her contributions. She's a career politician, and there is nothing wrong with that. Except to the Trump supporters who think that's a crime. Own it.

[athena]

127. It's only women who need to be "humanized".

When you have a male sociopath running for president, saying outrageously insensitive and offensive things, no one even talks about the need to "humanize" him.

Whenever we use the word "humanize" in reference to Hillary Clinton, we are admitting that we, as a society, still don't think of women as humans.

[ProfessorGAC]

136. My Wife Refers To Me and The Dog. . .

. . .as "my boys". In that one phrase she is calling me a child and equating me with a dog. Am i supposed to ignore the context that it's coming from someone to whom i've been married for 36 years, or should i just be outraged?

[Dorian Gray]

140. No...

talking to friends my husband refers to me as "the old ball and chain" sarcastically. I don't mind because he's playing with language. I'd be pissed, however, if he did it in a speech to a bunch of charities that I do work with, though.

But, I'm sure he ran this past her and she's okay with it, and in the end that's what matters most. So, my preferences don't mean squat.

[CountAllVotes]

83. My Girl

Doesn't say a word about "juice" however.

[Skittles]

90. he has to be so proud of her

and jeez, I cannot even imagine how Chelsea is feeling

regarding my girl - context is everything, people

[cbdo2007]

99. We are all really proud of his girl.

Just like we are all really proud of her boy for all of his accomplishments. What's the BFD?

[Skittles]

104. it's called picking your battles

too many people do it very poorly, for a variety of issues

[SusanCalvin]

91. OK, I get it now, FWIW,

Having seen it in another post that didn't use the highlighted part as the title.

Nevertheless (to the person who did so, not to all), I maintain that telling someone to shut up is not the way to get them to see your point, if such is indeed your purpose.

[Barack_America]

130. Oh, I get it too...

But I agree with your original stance.

Are not, "my beloved wife, Hillary" or "my better half, Hillary" also not "endearing", but a bit more respectful than, "my girl"?

Can we also not put a finger to the wind, note how much focus during this election has been on disrespect for women, and perhaps take a different tact with the language? Hillary's other surrogates certainly have.

[JNelson6563]

105. Lol...Rock on Bill!

I think he put it rather well, how absurd the Rs are with their bullshit.

Sad to see so many DUers keeping alive the tradition of fixating on something that could maybe possibly be offensive in some way and create a 100+ post thread quibbling about it. Substance be damned! (kinda like the corporate media)

My kingdom to have such time to squander! And to be so easily pleased...damn lucky you kids!

Back to it now everyone...this thread has a long, useless and unsatisfying life ahead.

[smirkymonkey]

129. +1000

[Buckeye_Democrat]

108. Hillary must be in charge of the Illuminati and the "international bankers"...

... according to Trump's rants at a recent rally.

[Boomerproud]

111. Bill, your girl has had juice since you met her.

Have you not been paying attention for 41 years?

[Warren DeMontague]

119. Gee, I wonder how this thread is gonna go?

I will say that I have been less than impressed with Bill Clinton's contributions this cycle, but maybe that's only because he used to be Michael Jordan on the stump.

[GOLGO 13]

133. I think it was wise of him to keep a low-profile. This is her turn now.

He's gonna be the first "Bubba".