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Proud liberal 80

(4,167 posts)
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 05:26 PM Oct 2016

Why did the FBI have to inform congress?

Seems like that is unusual.

Is it because once comey put out his announcement in July that the republicans called comey to Capitol Hill to explain (which is also unusual). Did they tell him that they had to be informed when things changed (which is also unusual)

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Why did the FBI have to inform congress? (Original Post) Proud liberal 80 Oct 2016 OP
Sounds like Comey's motives are political meow2u3 Oct 2016 #1
He didn't have to, make no mistake thejoker123 Oct 2016 #2
good question. all things behind closed doors are to be questioned for sure... Divine Discontent Oct 2016 #3
I read that while under oath, Comey agreed to disclose new info within 48 hours. Avalux Oct 2016 #4
He mentioned as much in his second letter, but there was no 48 hour time limit. I heard Trump was okaawhatever Oct 2016 #28
"Out of an abundance of caution" - Steny Hoyer NT No Vested Interest Oct 2016 #5
Saving face with the GOP! imanamerican63 Oct 2016 #6
Well he testified under oath that the investigation had been completed... PoliticAverse Oct 2016 #7
A little thing called the Constitution requires Congress to oversee the Executive Branch Bucky Oct 2016 #8
What? yallerdawg Oct 2016 #11
Article 1, Section 8, "necessary and proper" clause Bucky Oct 2016 #12
No "government teacher" ever taught what your suggesting. yallerdawg Oct 2016 #14
No, not true. Let me explain. Bucky Oct 2016 #16
I'm talking about your outlandish ideas! yallerdawg Oct 2016 #17
Congress oversees the entire federal bureaucracy, which they created by law. Yo_Mama Oct 2016 #29
You're actually defending Comey on this??? philosslayer Oct 2016 #18
Good job on missing the point Bucky Oct 2016 #23
Comey had told members of Congress under oath something that now may Yo_Mama Oct 2016 #30
Isn't congress supposed to vote on supreme court nominees? nt ecstatic Oct 2016 #21
To cover Comey's a**. napi21 Oct 2016 #10
at least we know there is nothing in the emails Takket Oct 2016 #13
and how long has the FBI known this allegation? spanone Oct 2016 #15
And I Just Heard Rep. Marcia Fudge Say He ONLY Sent The Letter To Republicans ChoppinBroccoli Oct 2016 #19
He sent the letter to the Committee Chairpersons, which are all Republicans. Thor_MN Oct 2016 #22
Comey wanted to see Comey's name in the news dalton99 Oct 2016 #20
Lots of things are unusual about this election B_Mann Oct 2016 #24
There was no need to disclose this right now...That's a know known uponit7771 Oct 2016 #25
It seems to me he ... Mystery sage Oct 2016 #26
Because he told them something under oath that might well be no longer true. Yo_Mama Oct 2016 #27
Okay atreides1 Oct 2016 #31
I saw in an article that at least some Dems were notified as well. Yo_Mama Oct 2016 #32
The letter was sent to Democrats and Republicans. philosslayer Oct 2016 #34
I was mentioning this in another thread. The House GOP simply 'worked the ref' until they TrollBuster9090 Oct 2016 #33

meow2u3

(24,761 posts)
1. Sounds like Comey's motives are political
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 05:34 PM
Oct 2016

And that he's trying to undermine HRC's campaign and get the Tangerine Tyrant installed.

 

thejoker123

(279 posts)
2. He didn't have to, make no mistake
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 05:37 PM
Oct 2016

If he found something substantial you could argue he did, but the mere fact that he came into a possession of a device that may or may not have anything pertinent on it relating to the Clinton investigation in no way warrants a public letter to congress, especially 11 days out from an election.

This was a gift for republicans. Him trying to save his job.

Divine Discontent

(21,056 posts)
3. good question. all things behind closed doors are to be questioned for sure...
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 05:37 PM
Oct 2016

I'd go with your thought about the committee members who get spoken to by them, wanting to know if anything changes. It'll be news for the rest of the election, but, her opponent helps her gain votes every day, so not too much to worry about.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
4. I read that while under oath, Comey agreed to disclose new info within 48 hours.
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 05:39 PM
Oct 2016

Let me look for a link....

okaawhatever

(9,461 posts)
28. He mentioned as much in his second letter, but there was no 48 hour time limit. I heard Trump was
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 08:58 PM
Oct 2016

forcing his hand. Either Comey admits investigation or the story about the emails was coming out anyway, which makes sense. The question then becomes how did Trump's team get the info? Perhaps his comrades at Wiki?

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
7. Well he testified under oath that the investigation had been completed...
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 05:44 PM
Oct 2016

and noted today that "I believe it is important to update your Committees about our efforts in light of my previous testimony" since apparently there was some additional relevant material discovered that the FBI is evaluating.

His letter:

In previous congressional testimony, I referred to the fact that the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) had completed its investigation of former Secretary Clinton's personal email server. Due to recent developments, I am writing to supplement my previous testimony.

In connection with an unrelated case, the FBI has learned of the existence of emails that appear to be pertinent to the investigation. I am writing to inform you that the investigative team briefed me on this yesterday, and I agreed that the FBI should take appropriate investigative steps designed to allow investigators to review these emails to determine whether they contain classified information, as well as to assess their importance to our investigation.

Although the FBI cannot yet assess whether or not this material may be significant, and I cannot predict how long it will take us to complete this additional work, I believe it is important to update your Committees about our efforts in light of my previous testimony.

Sincerely Yours

James B. Comey

Bucky

(53,998 posts)
8. A little thing called the Constitution requires Congress to oversee the Executive Branch
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 06:02 PM
Oct 2016

Of course status changing developments in a political investigation have to be reported to Congress. It's not collusion or prying. It's the law.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
11. What?
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 06:26 PM
Oct 2016

Congress oversees FBI investigations?

This is a "political" investigation and they have to be reported to Congress?

It's the law?

Bucky

(53,998 posts)
12. Article 1, Section 8, "necessary and proper" clause
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 06:35 PM
Oct 2016
To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.


Yes, Congress writes the laws of the land. To do that, they have the power of oversight for all federal agencies. It's called "checks and balances." Didn't your government teacher cover this when you were in high school? What the heck kind of republic would we have if the law enforcement agencies didn't answer to anyone outside the executive branch?

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
14. No "government teacher" ever taught what your suggesting.
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 07:10 PM
Oct 2016

Constitutional "checks and balances" are to offset possible unconstitutional activities by another branch, not supersede their authority to do their jobs.

Bucky

(53,998 posts)
16. No, not true. Let me explain.
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 07:26 PM
Oct 2016

Checks and balances is NOT only there to offset unconstitutional behavior. The president can veto a budget because he doesn't like it, no only because if he thinks it's unconstitutional. Where did you get such an outlandish idea?

And Congress can question and investigate and subpoena employees of both other branches for any policy reason, not just on Constitutional grounds. It's true federal judges are mostly limited by Constitutional questions, but that doesn't apply -- and has never applied -- to the legislative or executive functions for checking and balancing each other.

I'm not sure why you don't see that Congressional oversight is an important part of checks and balances. When I teach classes in American government, it's in the printed material. Any government teacher who leaves that out of her classroom instruction isn't doing her job.

Note, I'm not sayng Congressional Republicans don't abuse their oversight function. Clearly they do. What they did to Secretary Clinton over Benghazi is atrocious. They should all be turned out for that. But it is their duty. And I'm pretty sure the FBI director is required by law to report changes in status of important political investigations to Congress, even if they are October surprise bullshit cases like this one.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
17. I'm talking about your outlandish ideas!
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 07:55 PM
Oct 2016

Comey is not compelled to send letters to Congress informing them the FBI may have found some emails that might have some classified material that might pertain to Hillary - 11 days before an election.

Also, I have never heard of a "political" criminal investigation, much less the FBI would be doing one.

In this sense, the "separation of powers" defines what each branch can and cannot do constitutionally. The "checks and balances" are also constitutional, and where issues come up involving the separation of powers, that is a constitutional matter.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
29. Congress oversees the entire federal bureaucracy, which they created by law.
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 08:59 PM
Oct 2016

When things go awry, it's their duty to see to it.

Bucky

(53,998 posts)
23. Good job on missing the point
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 08:14 PM
Oct 2016

I'm defending the rule of law. You clearly didn't read what I wrote.

For the record, compliance with the law is not optional for the FBI.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
30. Comey had told members of Congress under oath something that now may
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 09:03 PM
Oct 2016

not be true. I don't see that he had the right, once he knew his testimony was false, not to correct the record. I believe he had been specifically asked if they would be informed if something changed, and said they would.

Comey didn't release this to the press - a member of Congress or a staff member must have.

This may well be a nothingburger for everyone except Huma, because she supposedly said she had turned over everything, and now it seems like that wasn't true. THAT is serious, but it probably depends on context and whether she got immunity and what that immunity covered.



napi21

(45,806 posts)
10. To cover Comey's a**.
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 06:19 PM
Oct 2016

flack from the Congressional Pubs for not issuing an indightment last July. The FBI found what appears to be some emails involving Huma and Hillary on Weiner's laptop but they have to get legal authorization to search them. They know it COULD be classified, but most likely they're not. If he keeps quiet now, and it turns out there IS something damaging there, he'd be FRIED! If it turns out there's nothing there, his Pubs would still be mad because he didn't jail her, but the Dems would fry him. He decided to protect himself no matter what the outcome, and the election be damned.

Takket

(21,563 posts)
13. at least we know there is nothing in the emails
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 06:46 PM
Oct 2016

if there was, it would already be in the headlines.

they have nothing, so they grandstand and say they MIGHT have something, which will buy them some additional support until after election day when we find out Hillary was just emailing personal things. it won't net them as many votes as actual emails showing wrongdoing, but it will do better than nothing.

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,784 posts)
19. And I Just Heard Rep. Marcia Fudge Say He ONLY Sent The Letter To Republicans
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 12:15 AM
Oct 2016

Not politically motivated at all, I'm sure. Maybe Comey started hearing rumors that after Hillary wins, she's going to replace him, so he decided to put his thumb on the scale.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
22. He sent the letter to the Committee Chairpersons, which are all Republicans.
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 11:16 AM
Oct 2016

Republicans control the Committees, so don't read too much into that. If you were to write the to heads of Senate Committees, you would send the letter to only Republicans too. I just hope that the asshole that leaked the letter is revealed.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
27. Because he told them something under oath that might well be no longer true.
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 08:57 PM
Oct 2016

Namely, that the FBI had secured all the repositories of emails that contained classified info.

By law, the FBI does have this responsibility. Congress has the constitutional power and duty of oversight. So when Congress has officially requested information from the FBI on this topic, a failure to correct the record would infuriate Congressional leaders and might be grounds for deposition.

The FBI is going to look through these emails to see if any of them have classified email, and if so, secure them and trace any possible leaks. That's why the unrelated investigation is important.



atreides1

(16,076 posts)
31. Okay
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 09:40 PM
Oct 2016

Then why did he only notify the committee chairs, and not the ranking members? Also, why did he feel it necessary to go against DOJ and FBI protocols and procedures?

When you look at the simple fact that the FBI hasn't even had time to determine if these emails are even pertinent to the original investigation...this looks like Comey was attempting to interfere with the elections!

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
32. I saw in an article that at least some Dems were notified as well.
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 10:12 PM
Oct 2016

So I assume he did. It's Congress, not the FBI, who made this info public. Or some Congressional staff member. Not the FBI.

I don't think Comey did violate norms here - this info wasn't released to the press by the FBI, and the press certainly went beyond what Comey said in the letter.

TrollBuster9090

(5,954 posts)
33. I was mentioning this in another thread. The House GOP simply 'worked the ref' until they
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 10:18 PM
Oct 2016

until they had him so rattled that he felt 'compelled' (his words) to inform them AGAINST the advice of the Attorney General, and AGAINST standard FBI policy.

The House GOP sent him out to investigate Clinton, and when he didn't indict her, THEY WENT AFTER THE FBI INSTEAD. They hauled him up before the oversight commettee and grilled him about WHY he didn't indict her. And then started insulting the FBI, questioning their integrity, issuing subpoenas to look at their NOTES, so they could find things to embarass them with. The message is clear: when we send you out to investigate our political oponents, you'd better indict them, or we'll come after YOU INSTEAD. Obviously they got him rattled to the point where he felt compelled to do this.


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