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Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:34 PM

 

We HAVE to demand a recount!

Hillary Clinton got 1.7 million more popular votes than President-"elect" Trump. In 2000 Al Gore received 200,000 more popular votes than Dubya and there was a recount. Multiply Gore's winning votes by 8 and you get Hillary's. It is unbelievable a recount isn't being demanded by EVERYONE who this election was stolen from.

UPDATE: HILLARY'S WINNING MARGIN HAS NO SURPASSED 2 MILLION!

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Reply We HAVE to demand a recount! (Original post)
liberalnarb Nov 2016 OP
libtodeath Nov 2016 #1
HassleCat Nov 2016 #2
Igel Nov 2016 #11
JonLP24 Nov 2016 #3
MineralMan Nov 2016 #4
robbedvoter Nov 2016 #5
SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #10
hrmjustin Nov 2016 #6
jmg257 Nov 2016 #7
SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #8
bdamomma Nov 2016 #9

Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:37 PM

1. I am with you,it is our last hope.

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:38 PM

2. I think it's pretty easy.

 

In most states, you just fill out some paperwork and post a bond for the cost. I don't think they even have the option of refusing.

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Response to HassleCat (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:31 PM

11. Yup.

The problem being that there's no point in doing that if you don't think the outcome's going to change. Then the only reason to do it is to continue to fight the last battle and create division. Perhaps if HRC had future nationwide electoral ambitions it would make sense, but she'd be the one that would have to at least nominally authorize the requests, and it's hard to pose as a healer and divider at the same time.

This motivation was one of the problems with Gore's recount in 2000. He picked only jurisdictions where he thought he could pick up votes. That's fine, state by state, but inside a state for state-level positions it's a bit iffy. (And, no, there is no state-level election for president. States elect state representatives called electors.)

Note that in some states there's an automatic recount if the margin of victory is sufficiently thin.


There's some research--since it's an important topic--into the kinds of people that make mistakes in voting, the kinds of mistakes made in counting ballots, and their distribution. Most of it is damning for the (D) side of things, but not all. Lets just say that the pattern of voting problems we find are a combination of relying on past to predict the future, budget problems, and predictable trends from the research.

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:44 PM

3. There was supposed to be a recount

In Florida because their state law called for an automatic recount when the margin was as close as it was. The popular vote isn't relevant as to why there was a recount.

I hope there is an investigation into voter machine issues in the US and definitely some cleaning up to prevent another mess but I'm not hopeful any of that would get done much less a contested election.

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:44 PM

4. Just one?

Do you realize that only the candidate can demand a recount and that a separate demand must be made in each state where the recount is demanded? I guarantee that Hillary Clinton and her campaign know the rules for recounts, even if DUers don't.

So, the person you need to talk to is Hillary Clinton. She'd be the one to demand a recount and pay for the cost of it. Friday's the deadline in Wisconsin, by the way. So, you'd better get on the horn to her soon.

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:54 PM

5. it's over 2 million now.

and we can demand an audit of the count + injunction for EC until done https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/801135415088578560

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Response to robbedvoter (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:06 PM

10. Yeah, you can demand an audit all you want

but the only people with standing to actually request and get one would be one of the candidates on the ballot.

As for demanding an injunction on the EC? Yeah, not gonna happen.

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:56 PM

6. Twitter says Jill Stein is requesting recounts in MI, WI, and PA if she can raise the money.

 

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:56 PM

7. How many more states has she won?

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:02 PM

8. 1. *We* can't demand a recount

only a candidate can do that


2. In 2000, there was only one state recounted that I'm aware of - Florida

3. Extrapolating Gore's popular vote out to reach Clinton's isn't a valid method for determining whether or not there should be a recount. Most of her votes now are coming from a state she already won (CA), so these additional votes would have no impact on the electoral vote count.

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:06 PM

9. K&R

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