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spanone

(136,662 posts)
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 09:10 PM Nov 2016

NYTimes: Donald Trumps Lies About the Popular Vote



One big fear in the weeks leading up to the presidential election was that Donald Trump would try to delegitimize the results by claiming rampant voter fraud — a bogus specter he had raised throughout the campaign, particularly as his polling numbers got worse.

In that scenario, of course, Mr. Trump was the loser. No one imagined he would say the election was rigged if he won. And yet here we are.

On Sunday, President-elect Trump unleashed a barrage of tweets complaining about calls for recounts or vote audits in several closely contested states, and culminating in this message: “In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally.”


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This is a lie, part of Mr. Trump’s pattern, stretching back many years, of disregard for indisputable facts. There is no evidence of illegal voting on even a small scale anywhere in the country, let alone a systematic conspiracy involving “millions.” But this is the message that gets hammered relentlessly by right-wing propaganda sites like InfoWars, which is run by a conspiracy theorist who claims the Sandy Hook school massacre was a hoax — and whose absurdities Mr. Trump has often shouted through his megaphone, which will shortly bear the presidential seal. Mr. Trump added more fuel to the fire with the false claim of “serious voter fraud” in California, Virginia and New Hampshire — all states that went for Hillary Clinton.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/28/opinion/donald-trumps-lies-about-the-popular-vote.html
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NYTimes: Donald Trumps Lies About the Popular Vote (Original Post) spanone Nov 2016 OP
Now they're calling him on his lies malaise Nov 2016 #1
They started off this morning with the statement that "he was claiming it without proof". Now they still_one Nov 2016 #2
1 Little Star Nov 2016 #3
ya beat me to it oldtime dfl_er Nov 2016 #5
doesn't matter, it is important to point out the distinction. Thanks still_one Nov 2016 #7
1,000 malaise Nov 2016 #9
I am with you, malaise. sheshe2 Nov 2016 #10
This is madness malaise Nov 2016 #11
Mad King Donald, pacing in his golden tower. It helps me a bit to visualize it as a fairy tale. Hekate Nov 2016 #21
LOL malaise Nov 2016 #33
I agree malaise. Hang in there. still_one Nov 2016 #17
It's their game to exasperate and exhaust us. Hang tough. anamandujano Nov 2016 #26
Too little too late. They kissed his arse for ratings. Oneironaut Nov 2016 #25
While I'm glad the NY Times used the word "lie" oldtime dfl_er Nov 2016 #4
exactly still_one Nov 2016 #6
the headline for the 'opinion piece' was on the front page, above the fold. spanone Nov 2016 #12
That is true, and gives it more impact, but its still referred to as an still_one Nov 2016 #18
"Someone who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2016 #8
Timely. Brrr. Hekate Nov 2016 #23
Of that I have NO doubt, whatsoever. BigDemVoter Nov 2016 #24
I'm glad this is keeping Trump up at night. Solly Mack Nov 2016 #13
i expect more tweets aimed at the new york times....expect they do too spanone Nov 2016 #14
Definitely. His minders allow him to tweet and make youtube videos. Solly Mack Nov 2016 #15
grrrr... spanone Nov 2016 #16
Yeah. :( Solly Mack Nov 2016 #19
While he oldtime dfl_er Nov 2016 #30
All while Hillary is out hiking, recuperating after the nightmarishly exhausting campaign. anamandujano Nov 2016 #28
and Trump is driving himself crazy. Solly Mack Nov 2016 #29
i love it also . i was thinking it would be a good idea to come up with a name for him JI7 Nov 2016 #34
He Is A Pathological Liar colsohlibgal Nov 2016 #20
and once again, we see media falling into the "truth trap" 0rganism Nov 2016 #22
Trump doesn't have an eloquent molecule in his body. His trolls repeat the same old lie even anamandujano Nov 2016 #27
he's plenty eloquent, but he's speaking a different language 0rganism Nov 2016 #31
What you're describing is not eloquent. You need a different word. anamandujano Nov 2016 #32
I'm waiting for when he arrests a bunch of Democrats for plotting against him.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #35
Best damn reason for a recount.. own it drumpfuck. Cha Nov 2016 #36

still_one

(93,667 posts)
2. They started off this morning with the statement that "he was claiming it without proof". Now they
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 09:16 PM
Nov 2016

are offering the response in the form of an editorial opinion. That is all fine and good, but that he lied should be reported as news, not just as part of an editorial

Hekate

(92,397 posts)
21. Mad King Donald, pacing in his golden tower. It helps me a bit to visualize it as a fairy tale.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 10:16 PM
Nov 2016

A grim Grimm's tale, of course.

oldtime dfl_er

(6,939 posts)
4. While I'm glad the NY Times used the word "lie"
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 09:17 PM
Nov 2016

I'd like to know why this is on the OPINION page, and not the FRONT page??

spanone

(136,662 posts)
12. the headline for the 'opinion piece' was on the front page, above the fold.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 09:42 PM
Nov 2016

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The Velveteen Ocelot

(117,482 posts)
8. "Someone who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 09:18 PM
Nov 2016

-Voltaire (?) The deplorables will believe whatever absurdities der Trumpenführer feeds them. Some of them would also commit atrocities without hesitation at his direction.

Solly Mack

(91,211 posts)
13. I'm glad this is keeping Trump up at night.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 09:52 PM
Nov 2016

It makes me happy that it is eating him up inside knowing the majority of Americans don't want him as President.

It please me to no end to think of Trump feeling that crushing blow to his ego.

To know he lies in bed, eyes wide open, cursing everyone who didn't vote for him.

He won the highest office in the land but that isn't enough for him.

No, he needs to feel loved and losing the popular vote means (to him) that he isn't the best loved.

Psst..Donald...your daddy didn't love you best either.







Solly Mack

(91,211 posts)
15. Definitely. His minders allow him to tweet and make youtube videos.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 10:00 PM
Nov 2016

And they even let him pick cabinet members from the Bannon/Mercer pre-approved list.

I'm sure his minders are looking forward to his victory tour rallies so they can get about the business of dismantling government.

JI7

(89,637 posts)
34. i love it also . i was thinking it would be a good idea to come up with a name for him
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 06:04 AM
Nov 2016

where it refers to him getting far fewer votes.

protests with all the signs about how he lost the popular vote.

0rganism

(24,231 posts)
22. and once again, we see media falling into the "truth trap"
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 10:17 PM
Nov 2016

such commentary would have had some value had it been practiced widely 10 months ago.

we've gone well beyond that point now. we've reached a point where truth or falsehood is merely another editorialized attribute appended to any given statement, holding about as much weight as a review of punctuation or grammar. seriously, they might as well be criticizing his diction.

the important message here, one that Trump is conveying to his supporters quite eloquently, is that millions of people voted illegally for his "criminal" opponent, and even if they weren't illegal then they should be illegal going forward. his intent, clearly communicated, is to disenfranchise the Democratic voting base. that is the real story here, and none dare report it.

while the national media circle jerk themselves over their journalistic purity, Trump just went full Hitler and it's not getting covered.

anamandujano

(7,004 posts)
27. Trump doesn't have an eloquent molecule in his body. His trolls repeat the same old lie even
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 12:01 AM
Nov 2016

though it's been debunked tirelessly.

0rganism

(24,231 posts)
31. he's plenty eloquent, but he's speaking a different language
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 12:49 AM
Nov 2016

what you hear when he speaks is not what his target audience hears
you are not them
congratulations

the significance of what he's saying goes well beyond the words. he's constantly using dog whistles and codes that have volumes of meaning to his followers. if you listen to him like you'd listen to NPR, he sounds chunky and stupid and thoroughly repulsive. that's not what his followers are hearing.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
35. I'm waiting for when he arrests a bunch of Democrats for plotting against him....
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 05:03 AM
Nov 2016

Or Bill Maher for this:

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