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Sat Dec 10, 2016, 01:36 AM

 

Imagine the Reverse of Friday Evening's News and Hillary had won the election after Putin Intervened

Imagine the Reverse of Friday Evening's News and Hillary had won the election after Putin Intervened on Her Behalf

http://steveleser.blogspot.com/2016/12/imagine-reverse-of-friday-evenings-news.html

I read todayís (12/9/2016) bombshell news in the Washington Post https://goo.gl/HCH4Ql about the CIAís assessment that Vladimir Putin, the Russian President, intervened in the US elections to try to help Donald Trump and after taking that in for a few minutes, I had an amusing thought. What if the reverse had happened? What would that be like now?

Itís funny to me because as a Liberal/Democratic pundit, I have for years faced off on camera against Republican pundits over every over-engineered scandal they have tried to manufacture against President Obama, Hillary, and other Democrats. Republicans are experts at making mountains out of ant hills (or out of nothing at all) never mind mole hills. What would they do if presented instead with an actual mountain, to continue the metaphor, as we have now?

If Putin had sent GRU, SVR and other Intelligence Service descendants of the KGB out to do whatever they could do to help Hillary as it seems he has done to help Trump and after she won evidence of that came out as it has now, the outcry from Republicans and their friends in the conservative segments of the media would be deafening.

Republicans in the House would already be drafting articles of impeachment, Rush Limbaugh would spend three quarters of every one of his daily three hour shows talking about it. Every Republican elected official from county executives to mayors all the way up to congressmen and senators would be going in front of cameras saying Hillary is disqualified as a President and she should say she will not take the oath of office and that the electors should vote for the other candidate. My conservative pundit friends would be analyzing the scandal from every possible angle during every segment of every show on conservative networks.

This news is big stuff. A militarily strong foreign power that has been behaving antagonistically towards the United States for the last 3-5 years has meddled in our Presidential elections to try to get their preferred candidate elected and that candidate won. Who is to say what effect that meddling had? A mere 80,000 votes spread out over three states, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, determined the outcome. Thatís not a lot of votes at all. Did the role the Russianís played in WikiLeaks, hacking, and publicizing the DNCís emails and other efforts to make Hillary and the Democrats look bad influence things enough to turn 80,000 votes in those states?

That is a question that everyone should be thinking about because 80,000 votes spread out over three states can change if a candidate trips while walking up the stairs or other similar trivial campaign occurrences. It is a very small percentage of the vote totals. Virtually anything that happens during a campaign can move the vote totals by that much. So, I would argue yes, the meddling by Putin did play a factor in Trumpís victory.

It gets better. The Washington Post reported that Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell, the highest ranking Republican elected official at the time, threatened the Obama administration that if they released the information about Putinís efforts to meddle in the election before election day, he would come out and call the Obama administrations statements ďan act of partisan politicsĒ. McConnell, in effect, worked to deny the American public a vital piece of knowledge they should have had in making their decision for whom to vote.

The other question that should be on everyoneís mind is, why does Putin want Trump to win. What advantage does Putin think he gets from that and why? I have many issues with Putin and the things he does and says. What I would never say is that Putin is stupid. He is a very smart guy. The actions he takes are very deliberate and he has a clear objective in mind when he takes them and he considers all possible consequences and factors them in. Meddling in our election is a very risky thing to do. First one must consider what might happen if his meddling is discovered before the election. Second, what if it is discovered and his chosen candidate loses. What kind of relationship would he have with the new President?

Whatever Putin thinks he gains from a Trump Presidency he believes is worth all those risks. That fact should greatly concern every American.

I will be very interested to see the response to this from grassroots, and elected politicians and pundits from all parts of the political spectrum. I know what the reaction would be like if the situation was reversed.

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Reply Imagine the Reverse of Friday Evening's News and Hillary had won the election after Putin Intervened (Original post)
stevenleser Dec 2016 OP
doc03 Dec 2016 #1
BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #2
KittyWampus Dec 2016 #5
shraby Dec 2016 #3
HassleCat Dec 2016 #4
dogman Dec 2016 #6
TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #7
stevenleser Dec 2016 #8
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 01:41 AM

1. Remember Trump said if I lose the election was rigged, his people would be marching in Washington

if he would have won the election and lost the EC.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 01:43 AM

2. Yes, what does Putin have on Trump?

You know it could fill a dump truck.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 01:56 AM

5. And on every Republican in every office of government on federal, state and local level.

 

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 01:51 AM

3. To bury America. Kruschev promised to do it and Russia historically wanted our downfall as

much as we wanted theirs.
Putin was KGB. Once KGB, always KGB. It's a mind-set.
Russia went under long before they could bury us, and Putin has picked up the baton.

What better way to bury America than to put someone like trump in charge? The man with the talent for breaking things he touches. The man with the talent for filing for bankruptcy would be a great one to bankrupt this country.

A totally incompetent person with no knowledge, no desire to learn anything, crude, and has done enough stuff to be easily compromised.

Question is, how many people in this country are also involved? I suspect mcconnell because he wouldn't have hearings on a Supreme Court nominee and just left the position empty for the "next president" to fill. He also didn't want the people to know about Russia. Threatened to yell partisan politics. Is Comey involved? He brought up "more" emails that Hillary ostensibly had on Wiener's computer which came to naught.
Are there more? Hearings, investigations, independent counselor, the whole nine yards should be brought to bear to find out.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 01:56 AM

4. We live in a third world country.

 

We allow, even welcome, interference by another nation. We can't explain the astounding 95 percent turnout in some places. We can't do an accurate recount. If Hillary won under such circumstances, the shit would hit the fan. Since it's Trump, the whole thing will simply slide by.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 01:57 AM

6. We have a Commander-in-chief, I would expect him to honor his oath.

It's either real or it's not. The President should know the facts.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 03:47 AM

7. there would be armed rebellion, no doubt. nt

 

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Sat Dec 10, 2016, 11:16 AM

8. Saturday Morning Kick nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 11:27 AM

9. McConnell needs to be thrown out on his ass. Period.

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