Holy shit! Harvard professor says GOP electors are close to blocking Trump win

[boston bean]

Harvard University law professor Larry Lessig said Tuesday that 20 Republican Electoral College voters are considering flipping to vote against Donald Trump, more than half the number of anti-Trump votes needed to stall the president-elect from being sworn into office.

"Obviously, whether an elector ultimately votes his or her conscience will depend in part upon whether there are enough doing the same. We now believe there are more than half the number needed to change the result seriously considering making that vote," Lessig told Politico.


http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/310309-harvard-professor-says-gop-electors-are-close-to-blocking-trump

[Chasstev365]

1. I'd like to believe, but I am skeptical.

I just think there will be too many Profiles in Cowardice

[underthematrix]

29. It would be great but here's my concern. The safety of the electors.

If the head of the FBI was willing to facilitate a coup what makes you think he wouldn't use trumped up charges to threaten the electors with prison?

[Mr. Evil]

38. Right now I think James Comey

has about as much credibility and influence as one of Bill O'Reilly's ambush journalists.

[lagomorph777]

82. Comey is Trump's lapdog.

[lagomorph777]

87. I don't think Obama realized Comey was a Russian mole.

He seemed OK at the time.

[lagomorph777]

98. He suppressed investigation of Russian hacks while publicizing HRC investigation.

That is pro-Russian on the face of it; you don't need a security clearance to see that.

[lagomorph777]

119. Welcome to DU, and nice try but around here we check RW talking points.

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/

The Uranium One deal was not Clinton's to veto or approve

Among the ways these accusations stray from the facts is in attributing a power of veto or approval to Secretary Clinton that she simply did not have. Clinton was one of nine cabinet members and department heads that sit on the CFIUS, and the secretary of the treasury is its chairperson. CFIUS members are collectively charged with evaluating the transaction for potential national security issues, then turning their findings over to the president. By law, the committee can't veto a transaction; only the president can. According to The New York Times, Clinton may not have even directly participated in the Uranium One decision. Then-Assistant Secretary of State Jose Fernandez, whose job it was to represent the State Dept. on CFIUS, said Clinton herself "never intervened" in committee matters.

[lagomorph777]

124. I don't waste my breath on mindless Trumpies. Buh-bye.

[HurricaneWarning]

139. Hint

If you are going to troll a progressive site successfully, you'll need to know the difference between a noun and and adjective.

[ailsagirl]

146. .....

[awoke_in_2003]

112. He should have realized

he was one of the engines driving the Whitewater BS.

[JimBeard]

116. Raeally?, I didn't know that. Thanks for the info!

[awoke_in_2003]

128. The older I get

the more I think the goings on in DC are nothing but a very sick Kabuki theater. They all seem to be thick as thieves.

[underthematrix]

151. I don't think Comey is a Russian mole

I think they either had something on him or threatened to take something from him

[Hortensis]

64. No. Comey knew his statement might well throw the election

to the Republicans. He also knew it was a gross breach of long-established procedure and principle and would severely damage his reputation. He made the statement. His own position as Director of the FBI was never endangered, he had another 8 years in his appointment, and it was never about legal duty or self protection. We have every reason in the world to believe Comey deliberately acted against the Democrats to help the Republicans.

FURTHER, we have real reason to suspect Comey decided to not interfere with Russian cyber attacks against the Democrats during this election.

The FBI knew for months that Russia was hacking DNC computers, but the only notice the DNC had was one agent calling a mid-level IT manager, who didn't believe the call was really from the FBI and never returned the few follow-up calls made over the next few months. The FBI is thus able to claim they warned the DNC. In fact, the FBI NEVER contacted anyone higher up and, even though the FBI and DNC are almost literally without shouting distance in DC, the FBI never visited the DNC offices to discuss this.

The FBI also knew Russia was hacking Democratic congressional candidates.

BUT, the FBI discouraging electors by threatening to manufacture evidence to imprison them? He couldn't do that here and get away with it. Not yet anyway. Note the tremendous difference between what you're imagining and what he has done, one a simple statement using the excuse of reporting to Congress and the second a malicious neglect after documenting the notice given, and what you're imagining.

NY Times: The Perfect Weapon: How Russian Cyberpower Invaded the U.S.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/13/us/politics/russia-hack-election-dnc.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

[Pacifist Patriot]

85. Same here.

[liberal N proud]

2. If come Monday and this happens

I will be relieved, I will be elated, I will be excited, I will be thrilled.

But I will not raise any hope that it will happen.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

40. Pretty much where my head is at.

[Hortensis]

66. 56 (plus?) EC members now demanding intel on Russian interference.

That's out of, what, 538 or so, 55 of them Democrats? But still. This has become a story.

[duffyduff]

108. It means nothing. The vote will go as scheduled.

The problem is they meet in their own states and not in one location to vote.

To get them to do anything different is like herding cats.

It is just not going to happen.

[Hortensis]

109. Maybe change nothing. But if nothing else it means

they're trying to cover their asses.

Just for one instance, experts expect a North Korea crisis soon over its development of nuclear missiles. How would you like to be an elector after Trump's incompetence lead to deaths of tens of thousands, or more, of Americans from an attack right here in the states?

North Korea, only one of many nations, almost certainly has the capability to destroy vital systems we depend on for life. And he doesn't even need a bomb for that, probably just shares Trump's fascination with the scope of destruction.

Or how about after our failure to contain Russia's aggression lead to the collapse of NATO and Russian annexation of Baltic states? Another far from unthinkable scenario.

But new questions have finally been seriously raised about the function and purpose of the electoral college itself. That will probably eventually mean quite a bit.

[duffyduff]

110. This is why the Dems aren't putting up much of a fight right now.

They figure it is all going to blow up in the GOP's faces--bigly.

And it will.

[Hortensis]

69. A CA Democrat is suing to invalidate the law binding

delegates to the winner of the popular vote. If it were invalidated, it would reportedly throw similar laws in other states in question, perhaps encouraging anti-Trump electors to vote against Trump -- in favor of another Republican, of course.

Trump is trying to be named a party to the suit so he can fight it in court.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-electoral-college-lawsuit-232609

[duffyduff]

111. Fuck him. I hate assholes like that.

You are a Democrat, you fucking vote for the winner for the popular vote.

[Hortensis]

113. No, no, no. There's no chance the EC would elect Hillary.

This is a good guy doing his best for the nation.

[white_wolf]

131. Seriously..At this point I would welcome Kaisch or Romney...

I can't believe I have to say those words. Clinton won the freaking popular vote by like 2.5 million. This system is so stupid.

[Hortensis]

136. Same here. Kasich is too dumb, bigoted, way too

religious, not moderate, and probably still hand-in-glove with the Kochs. But Koch and Christian reconstructionists are stuffing Trump's administration with their people anyway. The Christian extremists may not be afraid of the end of the world, but I am.

[anneboleyn]

127. This is how I feel also -- I would be delighted, ecstatic. But I have my doubts at this point

that this will happen. Frankly, considering Trump's OUTRAGEOUS behavior, this is just about the only option left to stop him. He is an insane despot already, ranting and raving about himself in front of his "fans" (voters), conducting the official business of gov in an insane manner. I can't even imagine what a monster he will become once he is sworn in.

For one thing I'd be terrified for the electors who voted against Trump. Their lives would be in danger. But seriously, even Meghan McCain was on Fox's Outnumbered today saying how dangerous Trump's footsy with Putin is and that Trump's "friend of Russia" sec of state pic is seriously dangerous. I think it will only get worse.

[yodermon]

3. House will ignore electors if they go rogue and install Trump anyway. n/t

[KittyWampus]

9. Gee, no kidding. Really?

Maybe it's about doing what is morally courageous.

[boston bean]

13. I agree. No matter outcome this is a good thing.

[onenote]

24. if he still has more electoral college votes than anyone else

why wouldn't they choose him. They're not going to allow 38 electors to overrule 269 electors.

[pnwmom]

41. If fewer than 270 vote for him, then the decision goes to the House

where they could pick a standard-issue right-wing Rethug, instead of a crazed monster.

[spin]

45. A House Republican who would vote for someone other than Trump...

would most likely be committing political suicide.

[pnwmom]

47. Not if enough other people did it. There's no love lost between DT

and the mainstream of the Rethug party -- or even outliers like tea partier Ted Cruz.

They also might prefer to stop him now than to have to impeach him 6 months from now.

[spin]

49. A high percentage of Republican voters are TOTALLY fed up with Establishment ...

Republicans. Mitt Romney didn't pull any punches when he described Trump:

"Here's what I know: Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud," Romney said. "His promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University. He's playing members of the American public for suckers: He gets a free ride to the White House, and all we get is a lousy hat."

Romney said that "dishonesty is Donald Trump's hallmark," pointing to his "bullying, the greed, the showing off, the misogyny, the absurd third-grade theatrics."
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/03/politics/mitt-romney-presidential-race-speech/

The voters picked Trmp in the primary race despite all the attempts by Establishment Republicans to stop him cold. In many states if a House Republican were to vote against Trump he could kiss his political career goodbye.

Trump was able to take over the Republican Party because it was ripe for a hostile takeover.

[Ilsa]

61. Hd won, possibly because there were so many

in the primary racs early, and he had name recognition and was antiestablishment. He took 50% in the primaries how many times? Just a few, near the end.

I could see the House putting Rmoney or Ryan in. I'd be relieved if it was Mittens. At leastbit wouldn't feel like he's about to screw us over with Russia or start WW3.

[tblue37]

101. House might choose Jeb or Marco, because they were preferred by most of the big GOP donors. nt

[onenote]

72. They could. But they won't

You underestimate Trumps popularity among rein voters. He received more votes than all 435 Repub candidates combined. Plus you also underestimate the optics of allowing 12 or 13 percent of the Repub electors to override the votes of more than 85 percent of the electors to choose someone who either didn't run or who ran and was soundly rejected by the Repub electorate during the primaries (and who likely would have received less than 10 percent of the Repub electors' votes

[Hassin Bin Sober]

44. Can they do that?

My reading is they only step in if no one gets a majority.

Of course, the electors would have to vote for HRC to read off Congress.

[cstanleytech]

52. I thought that the House and Senate could only interfere in the event of a tie and only a tie?

Or in other words none of the candidates reach the 270 needed so what happens if enough of them switch to give Hillary the win because they believe Trumps mentally unfit to be president?

[Grey Lemercier]

59. No, they can refuse to accept any or all of the electoral votes

The only thing they cannot do is to insert a candidate. They have to vote from only the top 3 electoral vote getters. If enough of the electors for Trump just abstain, and he ends up with say 265, but none of them actually cast a vote for a different person, the House would only Have Clinton and Trump to chose from. At least one Trump elector has to actually vote for a 3rd person, if the plan was to elect a regular Rethug via the House.

[cstanleytech]

142. Oh, this should be amusing to watch then in a "train wreck in action" kind of way as

I really doubt the Republicans in the House want to be put into the position of actually going on record as putting Trump into office rather than hide behind the skirts of the electoral college.

[forgotmylogin]

95. But...

Then they will be on record for supporting Trump when things go kerblooey.

[LonePirate]

4. 20 is barely half-way there. That's not close at all. 35 would be close.

I would be very surprised if more than 5 of his electors do not vote for him.

Unless someone else wins a majority of electors, the House will decide the winner and there is no doubt they will choose the Racist-in-Chief.

[boston bean]

6. Right. Amd they will own him. 100%.

[roamer65]

20. Depends on who the third candidate would be...

[Liberty Belle]

21. House could pick Pence

or another Republican, and I could see them doing that. Many have concerns about Trump, but most Republicans would not hand it off to a Democrat.

[roamer65]

23. No. They cannot pick Pence.

The House picks from the 3 top electoral vote getters for POTUS. Pence may be considered in the Senate for VP, but I doubt he will get it. They will probably elect Tim Kaine as a gesture of good will.

[Missn-Hitch]

32. Good will? We can wrap that up, put it in a box and stow it away in the attic.

We are heading into cloak and dagger territory. Eh, we are just going to have to deal with the orange menace for, I predict, 6 months. He will be imoranged - I mean, impeached.

[roamer65]

35. It's already being labeled "Grand Compromise of 2016".

This one may end up like 1800 and 1824. The House decided both of those. 1800 was Thomas Jefferson.

[LonePirate]

26. They won't. They need the energy, anger and numbers from the deplorables.

Selecting Pence would be a huge middle finger to those people who aren't exactly peaceniks. They may hate Democrats but they would unleash their fury if Republicans chose Pence or anyone but the Racist-in-Chief.

[cstanleytech]

53. Well if they let Hillary become president with Pence as VP then the deplorables will have plenty to

be angry at and meanwhile they can work to have Pence run against her in 2020 while working to undercut her as her VP.

[Javaman]

80. all we need is 37 to flip.

then the orange jerk is not prez.

[LonePirate]

86. Except 37 are not going to flip to Clinton and not all Dem electors will flip to a third candidate.

Barring some sort of miracle, there will be no changes to the current expectations for Inauguration Day.

[Javaman]

130. they don't need to flip to Clinton, just not to the orange jerk. nt

[LonePirate]

134. Someone besides him needs to win 270 electors or the House picks and they will pick him.

Unless someone else wins 270 electors on Monday, he will be inaugurated on Jan. 20.

[Javaman]

137. no, without enough electorial votes no one becomes pres and we have a new election.

after everything that happens, he wouldn't be elected dog catcher.

wait, my mistake.

the house would pick the president out of 3 presidential candidates who received the most electoral votes.

many of repuke electorates, I believe would still vote for dump, BUT, I think he would still not reach 270 and Clinton would win.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

147. Unless at least 38 electors switch

from Trump to Hillary, she can't win.

And that's ignoring the fact that Congress can and will toss the votes of any faithless Trump electors.

[aidbo]

5. Harvard professor, and former democratic presidential candidate. Nt

[duffyduff]

7. I am not buying it.

These nitwits will sell the country down the river because they are just giddy with the prospect of controlling ALL branches of government.

They don't give a shit about the Russians running our country through a puppet regime.

[duffyduff]

107. The Republicans of 40 or 50 years ago could do this,

but not this bunch. Most of them are Tea Party, far right extremists.

They cannot think outside the bubble.

[Pacifist Patriot]

114. Bingo

[harun]

141. +1

[BainsBane]

8. It would take 36

20 could vote Clinton and Trump would still win.

Then remember there are some Dem electors in WA who said they would not vote for Clinton.

[boston bean]

11. This isn't a pipe dream Or getting hopes up.

This puts the entire ec into questi n. It may also force the republicans to fully own this turd.

Really, i am flummoxed as to why people are poo pooing this.

[BainsBane]

12. I'm just telling you it takes more than 20

Do the math yourself.

[boston bean]

15. I know the number. And the article is also clear.

[Tiggeroshii]

37. Dominoes fall one at a time. The more that fall, the more that will come after.

So far 21 have went.

We'll see, I guess. I certainly am not pinning any hopes on it. I know for sure that there will likely be enough Republicans who will vote for an alternative Republican if given the chance, just given the fact they are already on Trump's blacklist. This could ultimately just mean that Trump's vote is split in congress, and Clinton takes it.

[AgadorSparticus]

60. That's true. A couple weeks ago, most people wouldn't have thought even 5 EC's would flip

We are now up to 21. We may be up to 40 before you know it.

[dems_rightnow]

70. I still don't think 5 will flip

We're not up to 21. We're up to one guying saying there are 21.

I'd bet serious money on less than 5 flipping. I'd also take the "under" on two flipping.

[pipi_k]

93. Flummoxed as to why people are

poo pooing this?


Let me turn this around. Imagine this is the Republicans talking about a Democrat. Stopping him or her from being inaugurated...the EC is suddenly going to see the error of their ways and refuse to select him or her.

Wouldn't people here poo-poo that idea? Wouldn't people laugh and call the Republicans idiots for even thinking it would be possible? Would people be biting their nails in fear, believing that if it happened, it would mean the derailing of the whole electoral process? No, very likely they would accuse Republicans trying to do it of being insane.

Would people think it's FAIR?

Oh yeah, I get it.

Things are only "fair" when they benefit ourselves.

And, I probably don't have to remind anyone, but will anyway...be careful of what you try to do to someone else, because there could come a time when what went around came back around.

Trump is a disgusting excuse for a human being, not even worthy of being called a "man" since he's so much like a petulant 5 year old child.

But all these dreams of stopping his inauguration are nothing but dreams.

[boston bean]

102. Geez how you been? Haven't seen you in ages. I don't give a shit if they use the constitution to

make this trojan fascist creep ineligible to serve.

It is what it is.

[cwydro]

121. Well said.

Thank you.

This magical thinking going on here lately is pretty sad.

[roamer65]

19. I suspect I know what's going on but I won't say it.

[Jean-Jacques Roussea]

10. stop talking about it dumbass

Do they think republicans are in a collective coma? They're gonna fight back if they catch wind.

[ismnotwasm]

14. Did you just call someone a dumbass?

Please delete

[Jean-Jacques Roussea]

16. the Harvard prof

[ismnotwasm]

18. Okey dokey

Got it.

[roamer65]

17. Fingers are crossed.

[Cha]

22. Holy Shit is right.. i hope he's right.. you can't get anymore Blatantly

corrupt and unqualified than trump.

[Missn-Hitch]

33. But he met with Kanye today. That is improvement.

[Cha]

56. No it's not.

[JimBeard]

120. I agree. I am still upset what he did to that young girl, Taylor Swift.

[Cha]

150. That's right.. that's just one of his stupid dumb acts.

[C Moon]

25. I'd like to think positive, but I'm bitter. Everytime this kind of thing comes out,

it goes 100% the other way.

[SoCalMusicLover]

28. THIS! nt

[hurple]

27. They need to STOP

talking about this in public, or to people who then run and tell the press.

This will just lead to more threats and pushback against them. They need to hold these cards close to their chest until they play them.

[Missn-Hitch]

34. Good point but I do believe the RNC has been alerted.

[AlexSFCA]

30. we'll see

I think that the house will still likely to elect trump if electors flip. But it is still an improvement because they will be doing him a favor and perharps will have more control over his crazy agenda so less damage may be done. It will also show divisions because I think many republicans won't vote for him. Divisions will help to weaken GOP.

[brooklynite]

31. Do you recall Lessig's inspiring, well-planned Primary campaign?

I'll reserve judgement.

[TeamPooka]

36. All I want for Christmas is an Electoral College that protects America. nt

[iluvtennis]

51. +1 nt

[melody]

39. The entire GOP is not on board with Trump.

There are still thinking Republicans - and any one over 50 isn't going to take kindly to meddling Russians.

The alternative to Annoying Orange could still be a Republican - Jeb Bush, Romney, Kasich, etc.

[AlexSFCA]

43. I'll take it

at this point I'll take almost any reublican over trump. I don't think anyone will be as reckless with our country. The point is to denormalize trump.

[spin]

48. True. Establishment Republicans hate Trump. ...

The problem is that a lot of the Republican base is totally fed up with Establishment Republicans because they promise a lot and never deliver. These unhappy Republicans are also not fond of Jeb Bush, Romney or even Kasich. Trump is their man and there will be hell to pay if he doesn't take over the Oval Office.

[melody]

54. That's not the reaction I've had from a couple of Trumpers

Both said they'd be okay with another Republican. Of course, I'm in LA.

[spin]

57. I'm in northern Florida. ...

The Trump supporters here seem quite enthusiastic about his win.

[Hortensis]

68. Kasich is the name I'm seeing discussed on the web.

[DallasNE]

42. I'll Believe It When I see It

Even though Hillary's popular lead over Trump is now over 2.8 million.

Hillary would need 270 votes to win. If electors just vote present rather than for Hillary it would just throw it into the House of Representatives and we know what happens there. I would put the chances of a Hillary win at .00000000000000002%.

[Feeling the Bern]

46. I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, Assfaced Shitgibbon is our president.

[CentralMass]

58. That doesnt get old :-)

[mchill]

50. Maybe those electors are just "torturing" us on purpose

a la Trump to Romney.

[Kablooie]

55. I doubt it. I hope so, but I doubt it.

Though any electors, who are suppose to be educated, politically savvy people, that vote for him are blind imbeciles.

[cwydro]

62. Lol.

Not happening.

[pintobean]

63. I don't know about holy

but, it's shit. I'm pretty sure it's bull shit.

[Takket]

65. Hillary should have pushed for the Michigan recount

[ileus]

67. He's got a real inside scoop...LOL

[Vinca]

71. Put yourself in the place of an elector. Knowing the cabinet nominees and the general coziness

with Putin, how on earth could you have a vote for him on your conscience?

[Gothmog]

74. I would love to see this happen

[JustAnotherGen]

76. Until it happens

I don't believe it.

I truly don't think these calls to have electors flip or turn against Trump are going to work. We are better to wait for a disgraceful impeachment.

[boston bean]

77. It can't hurt, can it?

[JustAnotherGen]

78. I keep reading these "headlines"

And it's depressing. It's not going to happen. Would I love it to happen? Yes! Absolutely.

But it is not going to happen.

[boston bean]

81. Well, something is going on. Whether anything happens with it or not...

I think it's better to keep applying pressure versus saying never gonna happen.

But I agree, it is highly unlikely that electors will do the right thing.

[Javaman]

79. uh huh...

I'll believe it when I see it.

until then we keep fighting.

[Coolest Ranger]

89. I'll believe it when it happens

until then meh

[Tarheel_Dem]

91. But we still get a Republican, possibly even worse than the Tweeter-In- Chief elect, though that's..

hard to imagine.

[tomp]

94. does anyone know if electors can abstain? nt

[JustinL]

149. Yes. In 2000, a DC elector abstained in protest of DC's lack of Congressional representation.

The official tally shows Gore with only two electoral votes from DC.

[JHan]

99. I dunno, unable to buy this, unless the nastiness of this December surprise ain't over yet.

[heaven05]

100. close to

but no cigar. Would love to experience this classist, racist society/culture shaken up like that. The pundits all saying he tapped into deep seated american 'angst' about so many things that comprise equality in this society. I say what can be expected of a society/culture built on genocide of the red man, slavery of the black man and oppression of women? Trumpfuhrer and his congressional and corporate cronies will hang on to power. Dissent and resistance will be the order of the day....for however long it takes to regain 'democratic normalcy' in this now very fucked up country. Violent brownshirts everywhere now. SPLC.

[doc03]

103. How the hell is that close when it is barely more than half of what is needed? nt

[guillaumeb]

104. The key word here is "stall". This would not prevent anything.

Unless the hope is that the House would refuse to certify the process.

[Coyotl]

105. Let me know when 37 Trump electors have switched to Clinton.

Otherwise, the Republican Congress just elects Trump anyway if he falls short.

[spinbaby]

118. Will they elect Trump?

I'm betting that, if it goes to congress, they'll find a way to elect Pence or even Ryan.

[turbinetree]

106. I will believe it when we hear about this coming Monday 12/19/2016

I am not going to hold my breath and turn blue, these people do not care about the republic, it is about free market capitalism, and having a serial predator has president, that will rubber stamp my guess about 95% of everything. And if he doesn't get his way, your toast

The logic of a criminal enterprise coming to total fruition is close at hand based on a complete fraud of lies and deceit

62 million stupids were warned and they got up and went to vote and now they are going to get what they wanted, and to hell with everyone else, if that includes there parents, children, grandparents, uncles, aunts, nieces getting screwed so what, they ate the BS and now they want everyone else to get ready to have some too

My answer FU and the horse you road in on , he is not president he did not win the VOTE

[wryter2000]

117. More than half isn't exactly "close"

I'd love to see the electoral college behave the way it was constructed to, but it'll have to be more than "more than half."

[bucolic_frolic]

122. I'll place this in the trying

to create a stampede category

Much like the Romney polls of 2012 ... he was ahead all the time,
surging, gaining momentum ...

[Dopers_Greed]

132. This has to happen

But I'll believe it when I see it. We very well may never hear about this again, and the EC just picks Herr Dumpf without debate.

[JPPaverage]

133. Seeing is believing

I hate to be so skeptical. But after witnessing everything that has gone on the last month I can't really help it.

[Got it]

135. I absolutely detest Trump

...but I'm not so sure I'm liking this and it's implications.

[zippythepinhead]

138. The EC should force

trump to release his tax return before they vote.

trump is putin's sock puppet.

[barbtries]

140. if i was a praying person,

i'd be on my knees 24/7 between now and December 19.

[ehrnst]

143. But for whom? Kasich? Yes, better than Trump, but still not Hillary who is the people's choice.(nt)

[humbled_opinion]

144. Maybe there are some

sane electors that want to vote for Hillary, but are in need of some leadership on the issue. Is there anyone in her campaign that can reach out to them all she needs is 38 electors to switch from Trump to her. I wonder if any have talked to her people?

[ailsagirl]

145. Wish I could believe that

[baldguy]

148. Oooooooh, too tempting.

I'm not gonna hold my breath, though.

[Bucky]

152. Hard to believe, but it sure would start off the new term with a shit-show of resentments

regardless of who the president is.