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Sun Dec 18, 2016, 01:01 AM

This fecker. Duterte. Remember Noriega?

President Rodrigo Duterte threatened Saturday to terminate a pact that allows U.S. troops to visit the Philippines, saying "bye-bye America" as he reacted with rage to what he thought was a U.S. decision to scrap a major aid package over human rights concerns.

A U.S. government aid agency, the Millennium Challenge Corporation, said earlier in the week that its board deferred a vote on a renewal of the development assistance package for the Philippines "subject to a further review of concerns around rule of law and civil liberties." ...

"I understand that we have been stricken out of the Millennium Challenge. Well, good, I welcome it," Duterte said with apparent sarcasm.

"We can survive without American money," he said....

In November, Duterte said he wanted U.S. troops out of his country in the next two years.

"I want in the next two years, to be freed from the presence of foreign military troops. I want them out," Duterte told reporters Nov. 1. "And if I have to revise or abrogate agreements, executive agreements, I will." ...

While calling Americans "sons of b------" and "hypocrites," Duterte praised China as having "the kindest soul of all" for offering what he said was significant financial assistance. "So, what do I need America for?" he asked.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/12/17/philippines-duterte-us-over-aid-bye-bye-america/95557384/

Remember what happened to Manuel Noriega, Big Man of Panama?
And what happened to Sadaam Hussein, Big Man of Iraq?

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Reply This fecker. Duterte. Remember Noriega? (Original post)
TheDormouse Dec 2016 OP
AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #1
TheDormouse Dec 2016 #3
AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #9
brooklynite Dec 2016 #30
AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #31
TheDormouse Dec 2016 #32
TheDormouse Dec 2016 #33
backscatter712 Dec 2016 #24
Demonaut Dec 2016 #2
KT2000 Dec 2016 #7
Cha Dec 2016 #4
TheDormouse Dec 2016 #5
TheDormouse Dec 2016 #6
Wounded Bear Dec 2016 #12
AngryAmish Dec 2016 #21
TheDormouse Dec 2016 #23
TheDormouse Dec 2016 #28
Cicada Dec 2016 #8
AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #10
dembotoz Dec 2016 #14
AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #15
Cicada Dec 2016 #18
AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #20
TheDormouse Dec 2016 #22
LanternWaste Dec 2016 #26
EX500rider Dec 2016 #11
AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #16
Cicada Dec 2016 #19
NYC Liberal Dec 2016 #13
KamaAina Dec 2016 #17
backscatter712 Dec 2016 #25
still_one Dec 2016 #27
TheDormouse Dec 2016 #29

Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Dec 18, 2016, 01:47 AM

1. This guy is a whackjob & the majority of the people in the Philippines support him

They are in for a rude awakening...and if they think the Chinese are warm and fuzzy, well, good luck with that.

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Response to AgadorSparticus (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 18, 2016, 02:19 AM

3. you're right--& China's trying to Bogard territory in the Philippines'

backyard, with those bogus artificial islands.

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 18, 2016, 10:53 AM

9. Why slays me is that they were all, "please help us, usa friends from

The imperialistic chinese". And then 8mo-A yr later, "get out, USA. You can't tell us what to do. If I want to slaughter 3,000 people without due process in the name of drug control doesn't mean I am crazy. You and the UN need to mind your own business. I have a new BFF now. The Chinese are nice".

I don't understand his popularity over there. And after that little whiplash spectacle, I really don't want to hear any crying when China takes over those Islands. The Philippines is on a very dark path. they bought the same bullshit marketing that Donald Trump sold.

Trump is supposed to have Duterte visit next year. Demagogues stick together.

Just heard him whining about how we cut their financial aid. Maybe he thinks Trump will give him money. Bwahahaha!

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Response to AgadorSparticus (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 02:19 PM

30. Serious answer...democracy

I grew up in the Philippines, and from what I can see this was the freest and fairest election the Filipinos have had since WW2. Voters rightly saw the political structure in both Parties as corrupt and ineffectual and (like Donald trump) voted for someone different.

FWIW, notwithstanding his extrajudicial anti-crime tactics, there's no indication of personal corruption or benefit by Duterte, in comparison to the alternatives.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #30)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 03:47 PM

31. I understand that while it may be enticing since he has not succumbed to

Corruption, the question remains whether macchiavellian tactics are acceptable. 6,000 deaths later, is this tactic acceptable? Is it okay to kill first and then ask questions later? Where do individual rights lie in a society like this? Where do we draw the line?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #30)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 04:24 PM

32. "No indication of personal corruption" ... YET

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #30)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 04:27 PM

33. I'd rather live under corrupt pols than fascists who kill & imprison at will

without any accountability.

Good luck to you if the regime decides you are "corrupt" or are a threat to the nation and decides to erase you.

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Response to AgadorSparticus (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 01:07 PM

24. He's the Filipino Trump.

He's a preview of what we're looking at starting Jan 20...

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Dec 18, 2016, 02:18 AM

2. really???, hopefully the people of the Philippines will take care of his reign

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Response to Demonaut (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 18, 2016, 04:08 AM

7. they like him

he and trump are the same- crude and assure they population he will take care of all their problems. The people who had loved ones murdered don't like him but the general population does not like the poor anyway.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Dec 18, 2016, 02:23 AM

4. I thought he and dumphuck were buds.. so why

talking shite about America?

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Dec 18, 2016, 02:23 AM

5. I mention Noriega & Saddam Hussein not

because I approve of how the US took them out, but because it's a fact that the US did. Very publicly. Under Republican presidents.

Donald Trump is just itching, just itching, to order an attack somewhere.
He's loaded up his cabinet with generals.
He's apparently always had this an inferiority complex after going to military school but not having actually served in uniform.
And he's got little hands.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Dec 18, 2016, 02:26 AM

6. Is there a Filipino mafia? Duterte's time on this Earth may not be long

if they think he's hurting their business.

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 18, 2016, 12:26 PM

12. Duterte probably is the Phillipine Mafia...

It would be interesting to know whether or not the drug lords he's killed without due process were from rival gangs to his.

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 09:36 AM

21. "Drug dealers" Chinese criminal gangs making meth in the Phillipines

 

http://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/philippines-drugs-china/

Duarte is a thug but not crazy. He is trying to break the gangs/tongs while making nice with CCP to make life unpleasant for them on the mainland.

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Response to AngryAmish (Reply #21)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 01:04 PM

23. No surprise there; Chinese behind majority of manufacturing worldwide

But the local dealers surely are not all Chinese nationals

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Response to AngryAmish (Reply #21)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 02:00 PM

28. I think he's both a thug AND crazy

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Dec 18, 2016, 05:31 AM

8. We have no right to act against Duterte

Noriega condoned the killing of a couple US servicemen so Acting against him had some justification. We had no right to attack Saddam Hussein. Long long ago nations wisely decided that nations should be sovereign within their borders. Wars because another nation had the wrong religion or acted badly internally cost vastly more than their benefit. Same with Duterte. If he wants us out, fine.

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Response to Cicada (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 18, 2016, 10:57 AM

10. We have EVERY right to act against him when he calls our potus SOB.

And we did....no more financial aid to the Philippines. He can go ask his new BFF, the Chinese for money now.

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Response to AgadorSparticus (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 18, 2016, 12:38 PM

14. after trump gets in i will be calling the potus much worse...please don't invade me

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Response to dembotoz (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 18, 2016, 12:44 PM

15. How am I invading you? I don't understand your post.

Duterte called Obama SOB. I am not ok with that. Obama was gracious about it, but the big stick came this week.

I don't care what anyone calls trump.

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Response to AgadorSparticus (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 08:49 AM

18. Noriega was captured and jailed, bad idea for Duterte

Yes we can cut funds or say he is a dodo head. But we should not do to him what we did to Noriega.

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Response to Cicada (Reply #18)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 09:21 AM

20. Anything beyond cutting funds, we'd have to do it with the UN.

But, I doubt we will care at all that duterte has now killed 6000 people when cheeto gets in to office.

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Response to AgadorSparticus (Reply #20)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 01:03 PM

22. And when the UN refuses to act?

Letter of Resignation of James G McDonald, High Commissioner for Refugess (Jewish and Other) Coming from Germany, Addressed to the Secretary General of the League of Nations, December 1935
https://dl.wdl.org/11604/service/11604.pdf

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #22)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 01:16 PM

26. "If" rather than "when,"

"If" rather than "when," unless you're a prophet or someone who believes that "after this, therefor because of this" is a rational thought...

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Response to Cicada (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 18, 2016, 12:22 PM

11. Ignoring the evil that goes on within a countries borders just because it...

.....does not involve Americans is wrong.
If Germany hadn't attacked other countries but just fed German Jews and gays and gypsies and handicapped into the ovens the US should just have said "Oh well, soverign nation and all...."

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 18, 2016, 12:46 PM

16. It wasn't just us, either. There is UN involvement.

And we do have a responsibility to call evil for what it is.

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 08:58 AM

19. Usually intervention kills more than it saves

I would support intervention in some cases, but we should understand that usually intervention kills more than it saves. At least a thousand died in our capture of Noriega.

Protestants go to hell so Catholic nations should invade Protestant nations. How did those wars work out?

The suggestion that we should do to Duterte what we did to Noriega would do more harm than good.

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Response to Cicada (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 18, 2016, 12:30 PM

13. We don't need to give them money though.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Dec 18, 2016, 03:09 PM

17. Sounds like 'Duterte' is Tagalog for 'Trump'.

 

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 01:09 PM

25. Sounds more like a Spanish name, but yeah, he's their Trump. n/t

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 01:30 PM

27. A lot of U.S. companies have call centers setup in the Philippines. If Duterte

pushes his anti-USA bullshit enough, he will hurt the Philippines economically



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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 02:10 PM

29. Access to Southeast and East Asian countries is a crucial part of US's containment of

China, North Korea, and Russia

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