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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSEP 2016. Moscow welcomes the (would-be) sovereign nations of California and Texas:
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The speaker was calling for California’s independence from the United States.
Alexei Gavrilko nodded approvingly. A burly, bearded, camouflage-wearing separatist from eastern Ukraine, he said he had come to the posh Moscow hotel just outside the Kremlin to “communicate with colleagues” representing separatist and secessionist groups from the United States, Europe, the Middle East and the former Soviet Union.
During a conference dubbed the Dialogue of Nations, Gavrilko listened carefully to Louis Marinelli, head of the Yes California group that is determined to hold the Golden State’s “independence referendum” in 2019.
“For the first time in history, we, the people of California, who were conquered and annexed by the American military about 170 years ago, will have a chance to express our voice to either remain a state in the American union, or instead, to pursue a path toward a nationhood,” Marinelli said solemnly.
Gavrilko, who is from the unrecognized but de facto independent Donetsk region, and the entire separatist crowd cheered and applauded. They did it again, louder, when Nate Smith, a self-proclaimed “foreign minister” of the Texas Nationalist Movement, promised that one day, the independent Lone Star state “can formally exchange ambassadors with your free and independent countries.”
The arrival of Californian, Texan, Puerto Rican, Northern Irish, Catalan, Italian and Lebanese secessionists to mingle with activists from several unrecognized separatist territories in former Soviet republics is becoming a tradition as Moscow turns to belligerent, anti-Western nationalism coupled with a readiness to take up arms against its former Soviet vassals.
Moscow uses these gatherings to promote its political agenda, gain more political leverage in the West and push for the lifting of Western sanctions imposed on Moscow after its 2014 annexation of Crimea and support of the separatists in eastern Ukraine, a former lawmaker with the ruling United Russia party said.
“The more the West is disunited, the more beneficial it is to Russia,” Sergei Markov said, adding that the secession of California and Texas — a prospect that would appear to be something of a long shot — would “undoubtedly benefit” the Kremlin.
http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-russia-separatists-snap-story.html
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PoliticAverse
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(7,178 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
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haele
(12,640 posts)However, propaganda can't nuance very well, so if the target audience has a habit of questioning, it tends to unravel. It might be a nice daydream, and the Libertarians among us might bite, but it will take close to a century and the willingness U.S. government to stand aside during the entire time to unravel the Western states from the United States of America.
Basically, the U.S. will have to have already balkanized - all federal departments in shambles - before the West Coast will be able to stand up on its own. And I'd hate to imagine what life in the U.S. would be like prior to that point in time - we in California would not be the fifth largest economy in the world by then...
The Trumpanzees - what few would be left serving under some Christianist CEO who managed to amass enough wealth and property to buy his/her own private army before staking out their bit of national parkland to build their compounds on - will never know what happened.
Been watching the slow death happen in Kansas over the past six years. That's the canary in the coal mine.
Haele
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)“The more the West is disunited, the more beneficial it is to Russia,” Sergei Markov said, adding that the secession of California and Texas — a prospect that would appear to be something of a long shot — would “undoubtedly benefit” the Kremlin.
http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-russia-separatists-snap-story.html
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)Alexander Ionov
Alexander Ionov, head of the Anti-Globalist Movement of Russia, addresses a conference of separatist and secessionist movements from the U.S., Europe, Middle East and former Soviet republics on Sept. 25, 2016, in Moscow
msongs
(67,367 posts)California Republic tho some people on DU want it to be so
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)SEPTEMBER 2016
http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-russia-separatists-snap-story.html
malaise
(268,724 posts)Didn't people in the USA help mash up the Soviet Union - why would they not do the same to you?
Once there are cracks enemies take advantage
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)malaise
(268,724 posts)Spy versus spy is reality
Xolodno
(6,384 posts)...too many look at news in a vacuum.
They are probably unaware that people in other nations are probably laughing with glee. We've "inserted" ourselves into so many nations political processes, its resulted in some severe bitterness. Not defending Russia's involvement, but we are naive to think it could never happen to us. Jack Abramoff was able to knock off Native American leadership with some cheap fliers.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)malaise
(268,724 posts)Vacuum is the perfect world
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