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Wed Dec 21, 2016, 03:17 PM

Anthony Bourdain on Trump: "Theres so many reasons to find the guy troubling."

Great feature-length interview with Anthony Bourdain, who is more than just a chef and food critic. He's well traveled, of course, and he seems rather politically astute.


"No fan of the Clintons am I, by a long shot. But Iím a New Yorker, Donald Trump is a New Yorker. And the New Yorkers I know, weíve lived with this guy for 30 years. Iíve seen Donald Trump say things one day, and then I saw what he did the next. Iíve seen up close how he does business. Just like if you lived in a small town, youíd get to know the sheriff, the guy who runs the hardware store, the guy who runs the filling station ó Trump comes from that era of guys you followed, guys you knew about every day: Trump, Giuliani, Al Sharpton, Curtis Sliwa. Iíd see him at Studio 54, for fuckís sake. Iím not saying I know the guy personally, not like Iíd hug him, but Iím saying that as a New Yorker, we pretty much are neighbors. And my many years of living in his orbit have not left me with a favorable impression, letís put it that way. Thereís so many reasons to find the guy troubling. When Scott Baioís the only guy you can find to show up at your convention, youíre in trouble."

"I think itís going to be hard times. Is he gonna do anything near what he promised? Of course not. But he will be forced to do something, by the people around him. He will have to do something, and it will be extraordinarily ugly..."

"We are a violent nation, from the beginning. Iím not arguing for current gun policy, but I think itís worth acknowledging that this is a country founded in violence, a country that has always worshipped outlaws, loners, cowboys, and people who got the things they got by the gun. We glorify it, we created an entertainment industry that does little but glorify solving complex problems with simple violence."

"But I think to mock constantly, as so much of the left has done ó to demonize, to ridicule, to treat with abject contempt people who live in a very different America than they live in ó is both ugly and counterproductive. There are a lot of people who are pissed off, theyíre tired of being talked to like that. There are a lot of people in this world who, when an Applebeeís moves to their town, itís a big deal ó and I donít mean that in a dismissive way. Where somebody coming to take your guns away is a big concern. Look, I donít think racism can ever be forgiven. Itís a conversation-ender for me, for sure. But if you grew up isolated, no interaction or little interaction, the only interaction youíve had has been negative, and youíre fearful of the Other, and somehow everything you read in the paper makes it seem like theyíre getting all the breaks, especially when, in the news environment we live in now, itís perfectly permissible to lie."


http://www.eater.com/2016/12/21/14038332/anthony-bourdain-election-trump-interview

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Reply Anthony Bourdain on Trump: "Theres so many reasons to find the guy troubling." (Original post)
True Dough Dec 2016 OP
Aristus Dec 2016 #1
The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #4
True Dough Dec 2016 #7
HughBeaumont Dec 2016 #2
mountain grammy Dec 2016 #8
kjones Dec 2016 #12
Maru Kitteh Dec 2016 #10
HAB911 Dec 2016 #3
get the red out Dec 2016 #5
pbmus Dec 2016 #6
UTUSN Dec 2016 #9
True Dough Dec 2016 #11
sarcasmo Dec 2016 #13
LittleBlue Dec 2016 #14

Response to True Dough (Original post)

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 03:23 PM

1. I like Anthony Bourdain.

But this sounds like more 'we need to sympathize with the poor, oppressed, down-trodden Trump-supporter' BS.

I don't sympathize with anyone or any group that is the author of their own misery. Tell 'em to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, get up off their lazy white asses, and do something with their worthless lives.

I don't think that's too harsh, either. If one supports Trump because it validates one's existence, then his life is worthless...

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Response to Aristus (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 03:41 PM

4. I didn't quite see it that way - I interpreted his comments as

more like, we need to show them why Trump and the GOP won't really do anything for them and the Democrats can, or at least will try. Farmers and people in small towns were once a major constituency of the Democratic party, at least in the upper Midwest, and they aren't any more. The Democratic party here in Minnesota is actually called the Democratic Farmer-Labor Party, and it is the result of the merger some years ago of the "establishment" Democratic party and a couple of very populist, semi-socialist groups representing farmers and mine workers. I don't think it's pandering to what we sometimes like to think of as dumb racist rubes to analyze why we have totally lost rural voters. Racism was certainly part of it but it's not that simple; there are people who voted for Obama in 2008 and/or 2012 but voted for Trump this time. How the hell did that happen?

I like Bourdain - I love his show; that guy will eat anything - and I think he made some very interesting and useful points.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 04:05 PM

7. That's right, VO

You seem to "get it" almost every time. I appreciate your perspective (and Bourdain's).

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Response to True Dough (Original post)

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 03:33 PM

2. I was with him until the Tone Trolling last paragraph.

The choice between Hillary Clinton and Orange Lincoln Rockwell shouldn't have been a bigger fucking DURRRRRRRRRRRRR. There was no bigger DURRRRR in voting history. It's a bigger DURRRRRRRRR than Barack Obama if he were running against Newt Gingrich. Holy Fuckeroo Banzai.

I don't want to HEAR that we should sympathize with and appease the Bumpkin McWhiteshits of the world. What a bunch of mangled and smeared horse SHIT that is. I am so FUCKING sick of this. If you're voting based on some perceived name-calling by anyone, it's YOU who needs the "safe space". Fucking CHRIST am I tired of being told to constantly abide by some unspoken set of rules and way of speaking and reaching out to people who threw out rules long ago and can be just as large of an asshole as they please.

Like it was said before - you could give the "Gawd Gunz n Geighs" crowd a million bucks apiece and they'd STILL never vote for a Democrat.

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Response to HughBeaumont (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 04:36 PM

8. Agree

I grew up poor and fatherless and female, but it could have been harder, I'm white. When a white male whines to me about losing rights, I'm sure he's talking about the ones I've gained in my 69 years as a female citizen of the USA, and the ones gained by other non white citizens over the years through blood,sweat and tears.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 09:22 PM

12. Personally, I think it's that damn Country music...

It's a bad influence. I mean, you listen to music about losing this and that,
"wife gone, dog gone, truck broke, outta beer"...
clearly, it's country music culture...ingraining an attitude of perpetual
victimhood into them.

(Lol, in case people didn't get the joke. "OMG, rap music!"

Seriousness though, there's people that have a legitimate bum deal...
and then there's all these people who need to shut the hell up.

...guess which group predominates Trump's voters...

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Response to HughBeaumont (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 06:25 PM

10. x ∞

That should be an op, Hugh.




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Response to True Dough (Original post)

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 03:36 PM

3. its why they always kill the comedians and the poets first

You know, itís why they always kill the comedians and the poets first. People canít stand ridicule. It clearly gets under Trumpís skin ó he canít bear it, itís really a problem for him. So if youíre looking to do something, I think, you should ridicule him. Not his voters. His cabinet, for sure, and his appointees, but not all at once. Stick with him. Successful agitprop ó I mean, look at Gerald Ford. He will always be remembered as this bumbling Chevy Chase, a head injury waiting to happen.




After the election I removed CNN from my dvr, may have to put him back on

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Response to HAB911 (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 03:43 PM

5. I agree

You've got to go after the people calling the shots.

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Response to True Dough (Original post)

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 03:49 PM

6. Sometimes Tony is tooooo nice...this is not the time or place...

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Response to True Dough (Original post)

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 04:59 PM

9. BOURDAIN should be our president. n/t

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Response to UTUSN (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 07:44 PM

11. He'd be head and shoulders above the doorknob that's about to take office

But that's also true of the majority of the U.S. population.

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Response to True Dough (Original post)

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 10:56 PM

13. "Trumps gonna make the whole world look like the back of Rick James van"




LMFAO

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Response to True Dough (Original post)

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 11:57 PM

14. Why does he sound like such a better communicator than most in our party?

 

This is the kind of thing I'd hope to read from someone in the party. Instead of this kind of analysis and introspection, we get deflection and inevitable march toward electoral defeat in 2018.

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