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Tue Dec 27, 2016, 10:32 AM

 

JFK assasination secret papers can be opened Nov of next year

So, that's interesting news. Also Amy Goodman had on a Rockette who is boycotting Cheeto's party.

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Reply JFK assasination secret papers can be opened Nov of next year (Original post)
jodymarie aimee Dec 2016 OP
livetohike Dec 2016 #1
former9thward Dec 2016 #2
edhopper Dec 2016 #3
stopbush Dec 2016 #4
oswaldactedalone Dec 2016 #5
longship Dec 2016 #6
ProfessorGAC Dec 2016 #7
stopbush Dec 2016 #9
unc70 Dec 2016 #14
stopbush Dec 2016 #16
ProfessorGAC Dec 2016 #19
stopbush Dec 2016 #20
stopbush Dec 2016 #8
Ron Obvious Dec 2016 #12
LanternWaste Dec 2016 #10
stopbush Dec 2016 #11
unc70 Dec 2016 #13
stopbush Dec 2016 #15
pressbox69 Dec 2016 #17
jodymarie aimee Dec 2016 #18

Response to jodymarie aimee (Original post)

Tue Dec 27, 2016, 10:44 AM

1. Wow. I thought those papers would not be released until our generation was long gone!

I'll be 65 this summer 😊.

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Response to livetohike (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 27, 2016, 10:54 AM

2. You probably will not see them.

There are 40,000 documents and the incoming president has the right to waive the law making any or all of them public. The agencies involved (FBI, CIA, NSA, etc) will have the right to appeal to the president to keep them classified.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/why-last-of-jfk-files-could-embarrass-cia-118233

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Response to jodymarie aimee (Original post)

Tue Dec 27, 2016, 10:58 AM

4. And once again there will be nothing in there to bolster the crazed CTs.

No matter how much gets released, the CT nuts will claim the government is "still hiding the truth."

We know what happened. Oswald killed JFK. By himself. Time to stop defending and excusing away the actions of a murderer.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 27, 2016, 11:23 AM

5. Agreed

nm

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Response to stopbush (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 27, 2016, 11:48 AM

6. "Case Closed" by Gerald Posner.

Here:
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/nov/20/entertainment/la-et-jc-book-jfk-conspiracies-cure-20131120

Oswald was the only assassin that day in 1963. Anybody who says otherwise is looney toons. All the forensic evidence supports that Oswald was the soul assassin. ALL OF IT! There were no magic bullets.

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Response to longship (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 27, 2016, 11:56 AM

7. Posner?

That idiot is the only reason why i won't just accept the lone assassin theory. That guy couldn't escape from a chinese finger trap without an instructional video.

If he's convinced, than i'm not.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 27, 2016, 12:36 PM

9. Have you read his book? How about Bugliosi? Read that?

How about the Warren Commission Report? Read that?

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Response to stopbush (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 27, 2016, 02:15 PM

14. Yes to all. And the Preyer Report!

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Response to unc70 (Reply #14)

Tue Dec 27, 2016, 03:36 PM

16. Q: what about Bugliosi's account did you find to be

unconvincing in its support of the Oswald as lone gunman theory?

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Response to stopbush (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 27, 2016, 04:51 PM

19. Yes, Yes, and Yes.

So?

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #19)

Tue Dec 27, 2016, 04:58 PM

20. So what do you find unconvincing in the evidence presented

that would have you believe Oswald didn't act alone? Does your dislike of Posner lead you to reject Bugliosi's concurring conclusions?

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Response to longship (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 27, 2016, 12:35 PM

8. Yep. Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History" reaches the same conclusion

but in much greater detail.

Of course, those who can't be bothered to read anything that will challenge their CT nuttery will give you their eyes-wide-shut arguments, but as none of them are based on objective reality, the arguments amount to little more than mental masturbation.

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Response to longship (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 27, 2016, 01:02 PM

12. He probably was the lone assassin...

But that doesn't mean he was the only one to do the planning. I've always suspected there was more to it than that because:

a) He screamed "I'm just the patsy" when he was arrested
b) The similarity of the three main assassinations of that era which were performed by very oddball, loser killers with no apparent motive. JER even denied the killing of MLKjr on his deathbed
c) Oswald was immediately assassinated by a nightclub owner with Mafia connections
d) So much of the paperwork is STILL locked up today
e) Oswald's defection to the USSR, his easy return, and his ties to Cuba

Plus several other reasons that I don't have time to get into right now. Each of these facts means nothing on its own, but the whole picture seems very anomalous to me.

I could be wrong, but I'm still very suspicious of it all.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 27, 2016, 12:40 PM

10. Same things were said regarding the Dreyfuss Affair.

You've repeated the same things that were said regarding the Dreyfuss Affair. But no doubt, you're much more clever and can prove it by calling other people who hold different opinions 'nuts'.

Who can argue with the airtight bumper-sticker you've provided...? Keep on truckin'!

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #10)

Tue Dec 27, 2016, 12:51 PM

11. One question: have you read the Warren Report?

If yes, what do you think they missed?

If no, how do you assume to criticize that which you have not read?

BTW - comparison with the Dreyfus affair - an injustice that was covered up for years - and the investigation into the assassination of JFK - which was taken up immediately and involved over 25,000 interviews with all kinds of people and agencies with any connection to the event, forensic evidence, the laws of physics, etc - are well off the mark.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #11)

Tue Dec 27, 2016, 02:14 PM

13. Have you read the Preyer Report?

The House Select Committee on Assassinations chaired by Rep Richardson Preyer concluded there was a conspiracy. It is st least as valid as the Warren Report and far more credible than anything written by Pisner!

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Response to unc70 (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 27, 2016, 02:29 PM

15. No, it isn't as valid as the WCR, for the simple reason that the ENTIRE case

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for there being a second gunman rests on the "evidence" supposedly contained on a dictabelt recording. That evidence - which was highly suspect at the time of the HSCA - has been definitively debunked in the intervening years.

It's simple: either Motorcycle Officer HB McClain's motor cycle was at the intersection of Elm and Houston to record the sound of a gunshot, or it wasn't. Synchronization of the existing still and video footage of the motorcade proves beyond any doubt that McClain'smotorcycle was NOT in position to record the shot it supposedly recorded. In fact, he was about 250 feet behind the motorcade, not the 120 feet that Mark Weiss insisted the motorcycle would have had to been at to record the sound of the shot. Weiss was one of the two people who presented this "evidence" to the HSCA. He said it was "essential" that the motorcycle be traveling 120 feet behind the motorcade, otherwise it could not have recorded the shot.*

Well, it wasn't and it didn't, based on the very standard of evidence that was insisted upon by the two men who presented the dictabelt evidence to the HSCA.

There are other obvious problems with the dictabelt recording, but the fact - and it is a fact - that McLain's motorcycle was NOT in the position required by the "evidence" to record the shot entirely falsifies the claims made that were based on the dictabelt recording.

BTW - were the dictabelt "evidence" being put forth to support the idea of Oswald as the lone gunman, the JFK CTists would be all over it. They would cite the falsification of the evidence that I have provided here. They would ask how such a recording could capture the sound of a bullet being fired while recording nothing of the crowd noise rising from the streets. But they cling to this non-evidence in desperation because they believe it supports their multiple gunman CTs.

Further BTW - at the time, Officer McClain insisted to investigators that his motorcycle was NOT anywhere near the corner of Elm and Houston at the time the shot was supposedly recorded. The HSCA elected to ignore the expert, eyewitness account of the ONLY officer whose motorcycle was said to be the source of the dictabelt recording. So, imagine once more if you will, what the CTists would be screaming about McClain's sworn testimony were the dictabelt recording being used to support the Oswald-as-lone-gunman theory. They would be rightfully saying that testimony contradicting the dictabelt theory was being ignored and dismissed. And they would be right, because that is exactly what the HSCA did in regards to McClain's sworn, eyewitness testimony - they ignored it.

NB: feel free to point out any and all factual inaccuracies in the above.

*"When the HSCA asked Weiss about the location of the motorcycle with the open microphone—"Would you consider that to be an essential ingredient in the ultimate conclusion of your analysis?"—Weiss answered, "It is an essential component of it, because, if you do not put the motorcycle in the place that it is —the initial point of where it was receiving the [sound of the gunfire]—, and if you do not move it at the velocity at which it is being moved on paper in this re-creation, you do not get a good, tight pattern that compares very well with the observed impulses on the police tape recording." - Source HSCA documents

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Response to jodymarie aimee (Original post)

Tue Dec 27, 2016, 04:19 PM

17. Wow, if so many are convinced that Oswald was on his own,

it's no wonder that so many are convinced that Trump swiped the election fair and square. Hardly ever hear about the grassy knoll or that U.N. Ambassador Adlai Stevenson was hit on the head with a protest sign by a right wing conservative in Dallas just a month before the JFK murder. Cronkite talked about both incidents shortly after JFK was shot.

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Response to jodymarie aimee (Original post)

Tue Dec 27, 2016, 04:39 PM

18. pressbox

 

is spot on. JFK was not killed by ONE man. Bush did not win the election. Trump did not win this election. Russians saw to that, one way or another. There are lots of things we are "protected" from knowing by the powers that be. Because they think we can't handle them. And great big wonderful America would go "poof". Read Charlie Pierce's piece in Esquire. Not foolishness, TRUTH kept from us.

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