Fuck the mainstream press before elections! And FUCK THEM NOW! They are not taking responsibility!

[Akamai]

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Really, the fucking press/media/etc. enabled Trump.

"Both sides are equally bad! Look at the emails [but there was no scandal there!!]! Trump won't get elected so it won't harm the US if we make him seem normal. Trump doesn't need experience. His tax records don't have to be released." etc. etc.

And now, the fucking press is still pretending he is competent and pretending they didn't screw the United States of America.

I hear no apologies -- if there are any, they are very sotto voce. And so we have absolutely no indications that they will not repeat their fucking mistakes.

Les Moonves said it most clearly: "It may not be good for America, but it's good for CBS! ... We're making so much money!"

The millionaire and billionaire owners of the mainstream press seem not to give any concern for the people harmed by their failure to bring truth to the American people. They are willing to lie repeatedly, in important matters, as long as it brings them money, money, money!

The Founders of the Country would be ashamed of what has happened to the press, the Fourth Estate. And very egregious among these offenders are Chris Matthews, whose show tonight made me want to kick the damned tv set.

Any thoughts on this?

[Akamai]

12. Yup! Seems to me that we are trying to get the press to like us. Ain't gonna work. Money works.

And the bad guys -- billionaires, corporations, petro-liars, have a huge advantage in the money department. And also they have an advantage in that they are not embarrassed by lying and also that they do not care a bit about other people.

[Akamai]

17. I was watching Tweety Matthews tonight make fun of Bernie for his wanting to raise taxes on the rich

-- really, really, really pissed me off.

He said he repeatedly asked him how he could pass those ideas through the house, and chortled about his views before a group of three ass kissers. ("Oh, Chris -- you are right!&quot

He said Bernie could never raise taxes on the wealthy, but people in this country have done it before and it will be done again, if the world doesn't end before then.

ON the other hand, Chris Matthews is a millionaire and he works for millionaires, for corporations. Embracing Bernie's views will cost him money and he sure don't want that. What a greedy, lying jerk!

[OldYallow]

32. Let's Vote On It

Who thinks Billionaires should pay taxes at the same rate as working/laboring Americans?

[Cosmocat]

2. It just gets incrementally worse each time

This all is very like the run up to Iraq.

But, it really isn't the media.

Iraq was Bullshit, anyone with the first lick of common sense knew it.

Trump is a complete POS. Anyone with a brain knows it.

It is about the people of this country REPEATEDLY indulging petulant Republican Bullshit.

Time, after time , after time the lie, cheat and steal and fuck the country along the way, and they NEVER are held accountable.

[Akamai]

7. Yes -- but we reasonably believe that the press will talk truth to power. And we are WRONG!!!

[Cosmocat]

10. Again, this shit isn't new

And it gets worse as it goes on.

The media isn't the problem.

The problem is the country allows itself to be fucked by Republicans, then let's them do it again.

[Akamai]

13. The media is supposed to be the canary in the mine, the alarm system for all of us, and it is not.

We assume that the mainstream press, the mainstream media, are honest brokers, but now so many of them are bought and paid for, and the hell with the people.

And now it seems that the press has no sense of shame. None at all.

[ailsagirl]

31. Isn't it because quashing any real news is what they're hired to do?

Surely, that's another form of t-r-e-a-s-o-n

I guess everyone has his/her price-- but at the risk of destroying our country??

Has everyone gone stark, raving, mad?????

[Cosmocat]

49. Yes IT ISN'T

THAT IS THE POINT.

The media is fucking in the bag and to repeat once again, it has been for a quarter century now.

At some point people need to GTFU and use their common GD sense and decency.

[Hoyt]

3. I saw a lot of Trump on a number of networks. I didn't need a talking head to tell me he's

an ignorant racist/bigot or that he is a liar. I don't think it's the media's fault we have so many people who support that junk. I realize I'm in the minority. GOPers and Democrats blame the same media for "favoring" the other side.

[JHan]

4. The problem , for me, is how they discuss issues..

It's pointless: Put two opposing sides on TV, have them fight it out, and because of confirmation bias, viewers will pick a side and not really be challenged.

It's why I avoid Cable News Media, I learn nothing new.

[Hoyt]

5. Unfortunately, people who supported Trump are not going to watch an in depth program on health care

or social security. Similarly, the media isn't going to change Trump supporters' view on minorities, immigrants, etc. I never followed up, but supposedly some FOX staff came out strongly against Trump. I suspect all that did was get them fired or assigned to crummy stories. It sure didn't change anything votes.

I understand what you are saying, but those interested in the truth can find it. There are just not that many that care.

[JHan]

16. true. sometimes people can't help being ignorant but there's willful ignorance too.

[Snarkoleptic]

21. Worse yet, the likelihood someone will be confronted with an in depth program on health care

is near zero. Of course there is confirmation bias, where folks seek out programming to support existing views, but there is a lack of actual news/analysis, while society seems consumed with infotainment and Kardashian's butt.

We're all Trump University students now.

[Hoyt]

41. Agreed, on TV and maybe newsprint, but it's there on Internet. Most just don't care.

[pnwmom]

45. Part of the problem is that the news media assigns separate teams of reporters

to the major candidates, each group responsible for their candidate. So that automatically sets up a false equivalence. They should have been throwing a lot more resources into digging into the many, many conflicts of interest of DT; and instead, half the reporters had nothing to do but talk about Hillary's emails.

[Akamai]

9. Some people are more aware than others. If something is bad, I want people - as many as possible -

to say: it is bad! bad! bad!

Remember Kerry with the Swift Boat ads in 2004? He didn't believe the American public would believe those lies. But they did believe those lies, in large part because Kerry did not hammer them repeatedly. Hitler and Goebbels knew that if you say a big lie repeatedly, repeatedly, then people will be persuaded.

I want the truth in big letters, now, tomorrow and always! And our press is absolutely not delivering!

We can say "People should know these things", and it seems to be the same reasoning that we might say that everyone should have voter ID. That kind of reasoning - along with the view that everyone should floss every day - is just impractical. People just aren't going to follow those aspirational guidelines. We have to make it as easy as possible to know the truth.

[Hoyt]

15. But what we consider truth are considered lies by ignorant white wingers. "Popular" media

can't change that because the viewers aren't going to invest the time to learn what they don't care about. Few are going to watch an in depth documentary to learn about Social Security or something. And if they did, they'd still come away saying they want control over their own retirement. Their truth is not ours and media will likely never change that.

[Akamai]

19. At least we have to offer a vigorous statement of what we believe, and what history shows.

we have to go chest to chest with these assholes, call out lies when they occur, and meet them on an equal footing.

Don't you think so?

I love Obama but I sure as hell wish that he had called out the Republicans early and often -- such as about the Caucus Room Republicans. He knew about it, but pretended that the Republicans didn't hate him, but they sure as hell did.

Ted Strickland lost his close race for Governorship in Ohio in 2010 and he said that he lost in large part because Obama did not define the differences between the Dems and the Reps. Let's sure hope the Dems define the differences now that social security, medicare, medicaid, the EPA, banking regulations, etc., may be gutted.

[Cha]

38. You're right.. the US "media" brought us 9/11 and dump..

can't get much worse than that. It's time the masses woke up to that.

Occupy the damn media.

[Cosmocat]

11. You are correct

At some point this country needs to gtfu.

[RiverStone]

6. I did watch MSNBC until...

More than once...a few minutes into a Bernie speech, they interrupted with an hour of the fascist-elect.

It's sad Rachel & co. did not or would not challenge their employer on the billions of free advertising $$$ tRump received. I do believe she is Progressive, but also a tool of the MSM.

Keith Olbermann was good; and he's recording videos that are getting some publicity. Not sure where he will end up.

[sarcasmo]

8. Taking us all down, 4 years from now what will be left?

[NobodyHere]

18. A couple points

The press at the time of the Founding Fathers was hardly pristine. There has always been always opinion rags out there.

You're also acting like the media ignored every Trump gaffe out there. They covered the Trump U case. They covered his "pussy grabbing" comment. They covered what he said about that Mexican judge.

I'll grant you that Fox News and AM radio retained their usual biases, but most outlets did cover Trump's gaffes.

[Akamai]

23. Maybe SOME of the gaffs, but not Trump U. See many people on

the main stream media complaining about being taken for tens of thousands of dollars? Hear many people talk about his many, many law suits? Hear much how little he has benefited anyone but him?

You see the man even now demanding his tax records? Or a full financial statement?

No? Then the goddamned poodle, greedy, afraid press is missing a chance to atone for its egregious treason at the time it mattered most.

[Takket]

20. agreed, i see the election coverage like a scale

in the interest of "fairness" there are weights for racism, misogyny, homophobia, russia ties, etc etc one one side of the scale, and one tiny block for "emails stored on unauthorized server" on the other side, and somehow this balanced out perfectly.

[Akamai]

26. The undemocratic greedy bastards won this battle. So you agree the coverage

is bad?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

24. What did Chris say now? Don't watch him spew his crap anymore.

[Akamai]

28. He showed a segment of his rapid fire questions to Bernie about

how to pay for college and laughed when Bernie said he would tax Wall Street, and Matthews said to his coterie: "That can't happen!" Hah! Hah!

His panel there consisted of Republican and Democratic consultants and a New York Times reporter.

[lastone]

35. I stopped watching him after that

Tweety needs to hear himself speak and he always thinks he's the smartest guy in the room and to hear him say that to Sanders was the final straw. The rich protect the rich and everyone else can drown in misery. And Less munis is a treasons prick.

[Akamai]

37. Absolutely! I really wanted to kick my TV. Really wanted to.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

42. Thanks... confirms why I don't watch that blowhard anymore!

[LaydeeBug]

25. Stop. Watching. The. Russian. Propaganda. Us. News. nt

[Akamai]

30. Problem is so much of America is guided by the MSM. Should we ignore them?

[LaydeeBug]

33. Yep. Completely. Why waste your energy on people who lied to you?

And when they were found out to be lying, blamed "fake news".

Fake news isn't *new*. It's been around since the dawn of time. Their JOB is to discern the two and REPORT it to us.

That's their JOB.

Instead, they think their job is *ratings* and as long as we GIVE them ratings, we are rewarding their malfeasance.

Stopping carrying their water. Stop letting them frame the fucking narrative, and stop giving them your energy.

You will be better informed. I *promise*

[Initech]

27. Our media has been hijacked by thugs with a dangerous agenda.

[Akamai]

29. You bet! And we need to push back! In most of America, one can only Right Wing shows

When talk about social security, climate change, public health care, we should know the real facts - not the lies the greedy bastids want us to believe.

[LaydeeBug]

34. It's called *programming* for a REASON. nt

[Cha]

36. Yes! I've told them to FO since November 2002.. cat on the m$m speaks for me..

I can imagine and feel for ya on what Tweety's show must have been like, Akamai

[Warpy]

44. You beat me by 2 years

That cat speaks for me, too.

[OldYallow]

39. If The Press Did Their Job There Would Be No Republicans

After sabotaging our economy for 7 years, not the Republicans say "vote for me" and who gets it?

[Snackshack]

40. Once...

Corporations started expecting the news department to be a profitable division America lost the Fourth Estate as we knew it. If it was not for the Internet there would be no hope IMO...and corporations are rapidly gaining ground there.

I have no good answers, just opinions which are not sanguine for the future.

[malaise]

47. Good point but the media has always promoted the agenda

of it's owners

[Snackshack]

48. Hard to disagree...

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...with you on that. But if that agenda of the owner/s has integrity and is directed towards a greater good as it was with past reporters such as Murrow / Cronkite / Thomas. I'm ok with it.

That brings up another point that I think has had a huge part in the downfall of news. Names mentioned above had an hour per evening or a finite space on paper to report on what was really important. The 24 hrs news channel is not conducive for news that is independent/non-bias and of consequence.

[Warpy]

43. So stop delivering a warm body to their advertisers

Action starts with each one of us. Stop cooperating with crooked media parading lies as "news." Just shut the fucking thing off or use it to watch movies or sports. Listen to good music. Take a walk once in a while.

Honestly, the habit is easy to break.

I stopped watching in 2004. I found I was better informed by Simpsons reruns (only other thing on, no cable) that I ever had been by any of the networks. My blood pressure started to go down and I'm off medication (ymmv) and the world became a more pleasant place to live in.

I do read BBC. I keep up a subscription to the online WaPo, the local paper sucks. I did tune in to the last 5 minutes of Olbermann when he was on and I knew one of his righteous rants would be scheduled. And that's it.

Unless monopolies are broken up and unless the crooked bastards like Moonves are shown the way to the unemployment office, I can't imagine turning those lying sacks of shit and their weak attempt at infotainment back on. They suck. They lie. They lost me.

[pnwmom]

46. The false equivalence starts with how the news media assigns reporters.

Each candidate got a separate pool of reporters, assigned to exclusively report on their candidate.

So Hillary's fake "scandal" -- her emails -- got the same amount of attention by her pool as all of DT's scandals and conflicts put together.

[Akamai]

50. And how about those witches, Andrea Mitchel and Maureen Dowd, and their

incessant shrill accusations against Hillary regarding her emails.