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Vinca

(50,269 posts)
2. I assume you mean the health insurance market. All hell would break loose.
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 04:26 PM
Jan 2017

Premiums would skyrocket and we would be back to where we were pre-Obamacare. I know I went 8 years unable to afford health insurance and it was pretty miserable.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
7. Even in the employee based market which is largely untouched by the ACA premiums would rise.
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 04:45 PM
Jan 2017

Picking at the ACA is like picking at a loose thread on a sweater.

 

Rage4Bacon

(43 posts)
11. Actually, without the pre-existing clause in place...
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 05:24 PM
Jan 2017

they could just not renew those accounts and drop prices for anyone left. That was the central problem with the pre-existing condition issue. Everyone knew it was going to cost more to cover sicker people. The insurance companies would come out smelling like roses while a lot of sick people go without coverage.

delisen

(6,042 posts)
4. Excellent question. The ACA has a vast army of health care providers.
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 04:35 PM
Jan 2017

The providers must be contacting Congress.

I know the agricultural interests in my state are quietly letting it be know that the are dependent on non-citizen labor.

mercuryblues

(14,531 posts)
8. Badly
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 04:53 PM
Jan 2017

Imagine if Ford only sold 1/2 the cars they produced and the rest were put in storage. Their stock will crumples. Insurers will find that when they loose subscribers, their bottom line will fail. Unless trump bails them out, many people will lose their jobs.

trump promised to do something this. If he doesn't the trumperhumpers will revolt. If he does, he will either let insurance companies sink and let the economy decline or throw them tax dollars with no return favors.

trump may find himself in a no win situation.

blue cat

(2,415 posts)
14. That's what I think
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 06:28 PM
Jan 2017

but the nurses around me are cheering the orange one on to dismantling ACA. I've heard them say Obamacare raises their rates.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
17. Same in my world. Strangest damn thing! The majority of Healthcare folks I work with
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 08:31 PM
Jan 2017

Voted for the orange asshat. They hate the ACA and yet dont5believe me when I tell them that it will destroy the hospital systems. Hospitals have been having a hard time the past couple of decades. I can't imagine what it will be like when the ACA gets dismantled. They are so focused on their rates that they can't see their jobs will be on the chopping block.

Like Pelosi said, they are going to have to own it. They talk about dismantling it but there is no talk of a replacement. Mindnumbing. Yeaaa. This should be good....

Danascot

(4,690 posts)
16. ACA Repeal Impacts
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 06:57 PM
Jan 2017

"The report, which was commissioned by the AHA and FAH, was put together by the health care economics firm Dobson | DaVanzo. It estimates the financial impact, from 2018 – 2026, on hospitals of repealing the ACA under H.R. 3762 without any replacement. Dobson | DaVanzo finds that the loss of coverage under H.R. 3762 would have a net negative impact on hospitals of $165.8 billion, after accounting for the restoration of the Medicaid DSH cuts that H.R. 3762 contemplates. Dobson | DaVanzo also finds that hospitals would lose $289.5 billion in inflation updates if the payment cuts in the ACA are not restored. Finally, Dobson | DaVanzo finds that the full restoration of the Medicare and Medicaid DSH payment reductions would amount to $102.9 billion.

“Losses of this magnitude cannot be sustained and will adversely impact patients’ access to care, decimate hospitals’ and health systems’ ability to provide services, weaken local economies that hospitals help sustain and grow, and result in massive job losses. As you know, hospitals are often the largest employer in many communities, and more than half of a hospital’s budget is devoted to supporting the salaries and benefits of caregivers who provide 24/7 coverage, which cannot be replaced,” wrote Pollack and Kahn."

http://fah.org/blog/new-report-outlines-impact-of-aca-repeal-on-patients-and-hospitals

http://www.aha.org/content/16/impact-repeal-aca-report.pdf
 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
10. Well let's say the Republicans do the "repeal and replace" plan where they set a repeal date
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 05:18 PM
Jan 2017

Most of the large carriers will likely pull out of the exchanges. Those members are already unprofitable and it will be made worse as even fewer healthy people will sign up. This will cause two issues. The people remaining on the market will have their prices driven up, and they will have even fewer options.

The smaller insurance companies, regional sized, will likely try to stay on the exchanges, but it will be hard.

In two or three years, the Republicans will try to push through a plan that doesn't restrict margins as the ACA does. That will cause insurance rates to rise even faster.

This will cause fewer people to be able to afford to take the risk to start a new business, or join a new business as then they wouldn't have affordable health care.

Additionally if they follow the Pence plan, requiring continuous coverage to cover preexisting issues, will likely cause the individual market plans to go up higher.

The plan will roll back medicare and medicaid expansion in the states that were willing to do so. Those people will go back to not having as much or any coverage. They will still get sick and injured, and unless the plan is to allow hospitals to turn sick people away, that will drive up hospital costs. And because the ACA repealed payments from insurance companies to hospitals to cover the uninsured, that cost will come from the magic money fairies or something.

Say goodbye to coverage for birth control, but obviously not for viagra, because lets face it, vaginas need government control.

And then there is the plan suggested by the HHS nominee, Tom Price.

He's against protections for LGBT and domestic violence victims, not to mention women's reproductive services, because again, vaginas not under explicit government control are a extinction level threat to life on earth.

His basic plan is HSAs for everybody, which doesn't work for those who are on the exchanges and subsidized or on medicare, since they don't have money to put away and tax credits, again a benefit that mostly goes to the wealthy.

His plan would basically push health care out of reach for poor and moving into the middle class. But the tax credits are based on age. The youngest would get the least credit. Which in theory makes sense, but if you're a person with a chronic condition, you're screwed. Hope you don't have diabetes or hepatitis or something.

He would reduce what insurance plans are required to cover. So younger healthier people would be incentivized to buy a cheaper plan, driving up the costs for those who are on more comprehensive plans because healthier people aren't on the plans to level out the risk.

In short, either approach will cause premiums to spike, insurers to pull out of the exchanges and people to have worse options.

I think the best hope is that Republicans try to get smart and put the repeal and replace to a 3 year period. That way it's pushed out past the 2018 elections, but the insurers will already be pulling out, starting the problems that would then let us present the alternative in the 2018 elections. It would minimize the number of people who would be harmed.

Ready4Change

(6,736 posts)
12. A lot of investment money would get shifted to insurance companies.
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 05:44 PM
Jan 2017

The era of obscene returns from those will return in force.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
19. Badly but since most Americans have insurance through work
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 09:12 PM
Jan 2017

it won't create the waves needed .. as in general strike or something equally dramatic to keep the Randians from raiding ACA

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