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Satch59

(1,353 posts)
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 04:56 AM Jan 2017

Don Lemon's CNN panel: What is Trump's end game?

I can't find an article or video yet but he had 4 CIA analysts on (Bob Baer was one) and the discussion was frightening...

They all agreed that Trump's increasing mocking of Intel agencies is alarming. They all wonder about his end game, all suggested too close ties to Putin and all talked of scary consequences when in office if he doesn't accept their Intel. One said insiders are talking about him making the U.S. less safe and Bob Baer said agencies will make Trump's presidency awful: saying watergate was an FBI job to take down Nixon.

The talk on MSM is getting very serious today and honestly is frightening...congress needs a tight leash on him.

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JI7

(89,244 posts)
1. on msnbc some mentioned that Trump's comments on this issue isn't just about ignorance
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 04:59 AM
Jan 2017

in the way he speaks about many other things he doens't understand. he may be ignorant but there is something intentional here in the way he is so defensive about russia/putin.

kentuck

(111,076 posts)
2. He is planning it out very carefully, imo.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 05:03 AM
Jan 2017

He is discrediting them for a very specific reason. We don't know what it is yet? But we had better find out soon.

BadgerMom

(2,770 posts)
7. It's scripted, IMO
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 06:40 AM
Jan 2017

He's more disciplined in his approach to the Russian hacking information. Honestly, it feels like he's getting a script from Putin.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
17. I believe HE IS GETTING HIS SCRIPT FROM PUTIN....
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 08:18 AM
Jan 2017

...I believe Trump is a managed Russian asset, plain-and-simple.

Satch59

(1,353 posts)
3. Agree...and if CIA has Intel on him, isn't it their duty to expose?
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 05:04 AM
Jan 2017

Can't imagine the congress would let Trump really do our country harm? There are sane republicans in there??

gordianot

(15,237 posts)
4. I want to know where the hell the much vaunted Military Industrial Complex has gone?
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 05:33 AM
Jan 2017

Here is your chance boys save all of us from the real bogeyman, come out into the light

TubbersUK

(1,439 posts)
5. I can't work out where his exit is on this one either
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 05:52 AM
Jan 2017

If it's simply hubris on his part, is he prepared to be at loggerheads with the US security services for four years ? If not, how does he back down without being humiliated?

Alternatively, is he spending political capital because there's something real (but yet to become apparent)at stake and he's looking to soften them up in advance?

Hekate

(90,633 posts)
6. Just watched the Frontline bio of him the other night. Something in his brain is broken...
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 06:34 AM
Jan 2017

...and has been since childhood. He is seriously not normal.

But he got this reality tv con going and convinced all the idiots who want an authoritarian strongman to tell them what to think and do that he'd be just the guy to be POTUS, democracy for all be damned.

He's always played with fire and gotten away with it. The question is, how long can he get away with it when the stakes for all of us are so high and he's pissing off the Intelligence community?

TubbersUK

(1,439 posts)
8. This report suggests that Flynn is at the root of it
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 06:45 AM
Jan 2017
Among those helping lead Mr. Trump’s plan to revamp the intelligence agencies is his national security adviser, Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, who had served as director of the Defense Intelligence Agency until he was pushed out by Mr. Clapper and others in 2014. Also involved in the planning is Rep. Mike Pompeo (R., Kan.), whom Mr. Trump selected as CIA director.


Gen. Flynn and Mr. Pompeo share Mr. Trump’s view that the intelligence community’s position—that Russia tried to help his campaign—is an attempt to undermine his victory or say he didn’t win, the official close to the transition said.

Gen. Flynn will lead the White House’s National Security Council, giving him broad influence in military and intelligence decisions throughout the government. He is also a believer in rotating senior intelligence agencies into the field and reducing headquarters staff.


Paul Pillar, a 28-year veteran of the CIA who retired in 2005, said he was disturbed by Mr. Trump’s tweets and feared much of the intelligence community’s assessments could be filtered through Gen. Flynn.

“I’m rather pessimistic,” he said. “This is indeed disturbing that the president should come in with this negative view of the agencies, coupled with his habits on how he absorbs information and so on that don’t provide a lot of hope for change.”


http://www.wsj.com/articles/lawmakers-officials-frown-on-donald-trumps-dismissal-of-u-s-intelligence-1483554450

Raster

(20,998 posts)
11. IMHO, Trump is a Russian "agent," for lack of better word...
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 07:32 AM
Jan 2017

I believe that Trump has taken money from banks and Oligarchs in Russia that are beholden to Putin. Any Oligarch still standing in Russia with any semblance of wealth and power, does so through the graces of Vladimir Putin. IMO, Trump's "vast business empire" hemorrhages cash, and needs ready resources of cash to maintain his illusion of affluence, to which Putin and his Oligarchs have provided access.

We've heard that approximately five years ago, a covert operative reported that there was a full-court press by Putin to "entrall" Trump. I believe this effort by Putin and the KGB has been widely successful. I also believe that in addition to infusions of cash to Trump, Putin and the KGB have blackmail-able, incriminating evidence on Trump, probably of a deviant sexual nature. Think classic, underage honeypot. In short: I believe Trump is owned by Putin and the KGB lock, stock, and barrel.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
15. This is my fear as well... cannot wait til that racist pig tRump is frog-marched out of the White House!
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 08:05 AM
Jan 2017

Moliere

(285 posts)
13. They needed a panel for this?
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 07:55 AM
Jan 2017

It's actually very simple, he wants wealth and power. That's it. He doesn't care about policy as long as it doesn't negatively impact his ability to gain wealth and power. He's going to pretty much let his cabinet do whatever they want so that he can continue to accumulate wealth and power.

I read a really great essay by Masha Gessen in which she describes authoritarians and kleptocrats governing and concentric rings. He will be at the innermost ring, the next rain or his family and cronies ensuring is gain wealth and power, and the outer ring is where he will delegate all policy because he doesn't really care about it

JHB

(37,158 posts)
16. Pretty simple: Money and revenge, when it's not...
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 08:10 AM
Jan 2017

...revenge and money.


He likes to 1) rake in bucks, and 2) show anyone who crosses him who's boss.

Likes it better when he can do both at the same time, but for him one always reinforces the other, so it's all good to him.

spinbaby

(15,088 posts)
18. What is the CIA's end game?
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 08:33 AM
Jan 2017

That's what I want to know. What do they have on Trump and how will they use it?

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