BREAKING: "Russia maintained access to multiple US state or local election electoral boards" (sic)

[uponit7771]

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3254229/ICA-2017-01.pdf

This line from the DHS report is something I think MiniPoot, M$M and forum FUD is going to react to once brought to attention; it was... NOT JUST... the DNC and Clinton emails the Russians had access too

Report:

Russian intelligence obtained and maintained access to elements of multiple US state or local
electoral boards.

There's many ways to use the state level electoral board data to tilt an election other than affecting vote tallying including registration purging like the KGOP did in 2000. Voter tallying is just one way to affect an election and like in 2000 there wasn't tons of people reporting their registration revoked on election day, the votes just didn't count.

Report:

DHS assesses that the types of systems Russian actors targeted or compromised were not involved in vote tallying.

Its RATIONAL to NOT believe that Russia just broke into state level election assets... looked around at data and said; well... nothing here to see... lets all go home without changing a thing.

Like someone breaking into a bank full of cash, looking around and going out of the bank without taking a dime...

I'd love to read the FUD on this

Bottom line and another rational conclusion; due to Comey, voter suppression and Russia having access to state level election assets that...

[center]THIS WAS NOT A FREE AND FAIR ELECTION... PERIOD[/center]

Your take?

[underpants]

1. Marking to see responses

[NewJeffCT]

22. so, if they had access to state and local boards

but not the vote tallying, what does that mean?

[uponit7771]

26. Voter registration changes minimum and tallying is only a small part of the count total...

... and the way votes are all added in.

Tallying machines are the ones that count all the votes for instance but what about the vote taking machines in the booth.

I just don't believe Russia had access to state and local electronic voting resources and did few to nothing to them in an election where Benedict Donald was there guy.

[NewJeffCT]

45. Oh, I'm sure something happened as well

just not sure what they would do beyond rigging votes. Beforehand, I had actually pictured people connected to Russia handing out cash to people on these small town rural boards to either flip votes, count votes twice, or maybe submit ballots on behalf of people they knew probably weren't going to show up... but, that would count changing votes.

[uponit7771]

84. In 2000 Bush's brother was directly involved in voter purging... no doubt that's what they did this

... time around

[PDittie]

70. It could mean

that they manipulated voter data such that someone who had voted in a D primary could have been shown to have voted in the general when they had not, thus suppressing the vote to some degree.

But this would take an extraordinary amount of sophistication, and I'd be more inclined to believe that voter ID in states like WI and MI were more successful in regard to suppression.

I'm of the opinion that the Russians did not force Hillary not to campaign in Wisconsin, and that the Russians did not put DNC emails on Anthony Weiner's laptop, but maybe that's just me ...

[adigal]

2. All night on Election night, i kept saying, "This doesnt make sense!"

And it didnt.

[uponit7771]

5. +1, DU is most clicked soley political forum on the internets... the fact that DU went down was my

... tell tale something is fucked up.

Yeah, DU... who would've thunk it... I think the forum owners have stats on this but reddit is first but its not a sole poli forum

[adigal]

8. That was strange also, i wondered about that a lot

I think putin had someone in Trump's camp, and that is why Trump is so fearful.

[uponit7771]

10. Its Flynn, I would put some money on it... he's a CT nut and his son is a openly a WS. Flynn is the

... guy with enough knowlege to fuck shit up for us too.

[adigal]

16. Yes - and he was in Russia in 2015, with Putin. Right? Nt

[uponit7771]

19. Yeap, palying around with Dictators and shit

[emulatorloo]

53. Yep, celebrating RT w Jill Stein @ Putin's special table.

[TheFrenchRazor]

25. absolutely; it was not a random coincidence. nt

[NightWatcher]

3. If trump doesn't go straight to prison, we at least need a do over with purple ink

We did not have a fair election, trump was installed by Russia

[uponit7771]

7. He's calling for all US ambasadors to resign, that's a prelude to shit getting thick... if shit get

... too thick then this kind of info will become even more important.

Right now MiniPoot has the M$M talking about apprentice ratings and shit

[calimary]

35. MiniPoot! Excellent!

That's a keeper, uponit7771!

Yep, we're all working for Vlad now.

[notdarkyet]

47. Payback

From Putin for expelling his dips. Just using his puppet plump as a mouthpiece. Seriously, you think dump could think of something like that. No, he's been given marching orders.

[cstanleytech]

57. There is nothing in the constitution that allows for a do over.

At best you might get an impeachment but to do that there would have to be evidence that shows Trump was actively in bed with the Russians over this hacking or that the votes themselves were hacked and caused him to win in which case the Senate and House choose the President I believe.

[Buns_of_Fire]

67. It's important to remember, though, that impeachment is a political process,

not a judicial process. Basically, the House could impeach him for any reason their shriveled little hearts desire.

That said, I don't think they'll do it unless polls show that he might derail their gravy train.

[cstanleytech]

68. That or if they think he wont do what he is told

and they could probably evoke the 25th amendment to put Pence in his place.

[putitinD]

4. this election was stolen!

[uponit7771]

6. Yeap, there's enough funny shit to rationally conclude this without going into too much guessing or

... CT's

[scscholar]

52. Considering my vote here in WA was yet again thrown in the trash...

this. Absolutely this.

They don't even pretend any longer to count our votes when they go on the record as to have thrown them in the trash. Voting by mail is a complete scam.

[putitinD]

54. voting by mail seems pleasant, compared to standing in line in the rain for 6 hours in Detroit to

vote on a broken machine.

[Girard442]

9. We either have a coup now to force another election or...

...accede to the coup that's already happened.

FUBAR either way.

[uponit7771]

12. +1, I think a coup now would be understandable and WTF could the KGOP do about it other than cry...

... foul?

No one gives a fuck about what the KGOP thinks after their homey defends Russia, assange and tweets about his TV ratings (WTF is that!?!?)

I don't think the "America will learn not to vote for crazy" attitude from dems is the best way to go about this because crazy has the nuke codes... that's a game ender... and America has a short memory

[Girard442]

18. A coup would be the end of any kind of American exceptionalism...

...but that's pretty much left the building anyway.

[uponit7771]

24. +1

[calimary]

36. Sadly, the only "American exceptionalism" that still stands is

how most of the voting public is exceptionally stupid, or exceptionally naive, or exceptionally gullible.

[2naSalit]

59. +1

[haele]

11. Crosscheck is an online database. And had nothing to do with vote tallying.

Easy enough to change filter settings at the electoral boards to purge likely Democratic Voters...
Did they look at that?

Haele

[uponit7771]

14. Correct !! They can do that ad hoc and just like in Florida its not like there's going to be 40,000

... voters going to the election boards saying there's something wrong.

[Cracklin Charlie]

13. One of those states must be Missouri.

[uponit7771]

17. Sup with Missouri? tia

[Cracklin Charlie]

20. 1. Roy Blunt

2. >10% discrepancy between exit polls and actual vote.
3. We ran a full slate of great democratic candidates...not 1 was elected.

[uponit7771]

21. +1

[triron]

48. Wow!

That is suspicious!!!

[loyalsister]

65. MO has been so deep red that we ran an NRA endorsed republican for governor on the Democratic ticket

That sweep was no surprise to anyone who has been paying attention to this century's devolution.

[Generator]

15. THAT WAS MY BIG takeaway too!

Plain sight.

[NRaleighLiberal]

23. I've never felt for a second that the election outcome is at all legitimate.

[iluvtennis]

63. Agreed...especially when I saw a 400K HRC lead in Florida disappear in 30 seconds on elec night nt

[uponit7771]

79. +1, this is the reason the most popular poli forum on the internet by hits was, DU, was hacked

... because of tid bits of info like this.

I never noticed a 400k vote drop like that.

[iluvtennis]

80. Very likely uponit...very likey nt

[iluvtennis]

64. And 75K votes in Detroit and Flint never counted because 18 voting machines simultaneously broke nt

[orleans]

27. thank you for posting this n/t

[world wide wally]

28. Doesn't the Constitution guarantee us "free and fair" elections?

[uponit7771]

30. Hmmmmm, you've got a GOOD POINT !!! Go to USSC and challenge this election !!!

[world wide wally]

37. I wish I could afford to

I'll leave it up to someone in a better position than I am in.

[triron]

29. I will keep pointing to this:

http://www.cpegonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Unexplained-Patterns-in-2016-and-Earlier-U.S.-Elections.pdf

Even a mathematical analysis points to shit going on.
Of course MSM will never get here. Dumb asses.

[klook]

31. This document is lucid and readable,

and well worth a look for anyone interested in this issue. I found many eyebrow-raising nuggets within. Thanks to DocumentCloud, and whoever who posted this there, for making this report available to the general public.

The catchily titled intel report (Background to “Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent US Elections”: The Analytic Process and Cyber Incident Attribution) from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence describes how Russia mounted a multi-faceted effort to disrupt and influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election, as well as other recent American elections. The report is the work of the CIA, DOJ, and NSA.

Note: As the disclaimer in the document notes, "This report is a declassified version of a highly classified assessment; its conclusions are identical to those in the highly classified assessment but this version does not include the full supporting information on key elements of the influence campaign."

Also of interest from a general perspective (quoting from the report): "We did not make an assessment of the impact that Russian activities had on the outcome of the 2016 election. The US Intelligence Community is charged with monitoring and assessing the intentions, capabilities, and actions of foreign actors; it does not analyze US political processes or US public opinion."

Despite this bland and disarming language, the report is startling and should instigate some serious further digging by Congress as well as journalists.

[uponit7771]

33. Yes, its a very easy read... simple, to the point but Clinton's emails are more important to M$M

[shraby]

43. The CIA does investigations outside the U.S. Inside the country, is the FBI sphere of investigations

They should be all over this like flies on horse sh**.

[klook]

51. Yes.

Of course, as we have learned in the past few months (or decades), there are elements within the FBI that don't necessarily put America first.

[uponit7771]

85. David Corn wrote the fbi was warned and did nothing

[pnwmom]

32. Thanks so much for posting this -- and your key take-away. n/t

[uponit7771]

34. Someone with the resources should challenge the election in court since it was not free and fair

... IINM our constitution says we should have one

[triron]

38. I wonder which states DHS (or whoever) knows

Russians had access to? wtf for if not to meddle?

[uponit7771]

39. RIGHT !!! They just didn't look at election turning data and say .. 'nah.. we don't want that stuff'

[hurple]

40. From today forward...

We should ALWAYS everytime we deal with ANY member of the GOP, from Prez down to your next-door-neighbor, refer to them as a TRAITOR each and every time we see them.

Chant it at ralliess, paint it on their signs, show up to town hall meeting to yell it. Do NOT let them EVER live this down.

They are, each and every one a traitor to the United States.

Their new nickname, the traitor party.

[uponit7771]

41. yeap they're now the KGOP

[UCmeNdc]

42. They need to ask Trump and Roger Stone under oath did they coordinate campaign activities with

Russian spies?

[uponit7771]

56. +1, then impeach their asses

[elmac]

44. OK, so what are they going to do about it?

nothing, that's what.

[uponit7771]

55. Someone can go to the USSC and make a case for this election being not free and fair

[sarcasmo]

46. Stolen election.

[TexasBushwhacker]

49. I wonder if the Russians were diddling back into the primaries

It not like they wanted just any Republican in the WH, they wanted their pawn. Trump didn't really clench the nomination until after March 15th, when the winner take all states started voting.

[uponit7771]

58. +1, they could've fucked with the polls no doubt

[turbinetree]

50. I called my U.S. Senator yesterday, in fact both of them to stand with

the Congressional democrats that were going to protest the electoral vote.

They the Congressional democrats in the house needed one senator to protest the electoral votes, now the public on the day of the electoral votes were "confirmed" to put this con artist authoritarian narcissistic jerk into the office, was given information that the following:

"Report:
Russian intelligence obtained and maintained access to elements of multiple US state or local
electoral boards"


Now is any one really pissed off---------------? Not one senator stood to protest the electoral votes

Again..........................it says the following:


"Report:
Russian intelligence obtained and maintained access to elements of multiple US state or local
electoral boards"


Again is anyone pissed off..............................Again not one senator stood to protest the electoral votes

[Grammy23]

60. I am ready to throw my hands up in despair.

I feel pretty helpless to do anything to stop what seems inevitable. The people we count on to do the People's business are letting us down. As individuals we have very limited power to make a difference in something this big. So we turn to our elected officials to use their power and influence. Why are we not hearing a nonstop chatter about what the elected people will do to stop this nightmare?

I know there are organized groups and the Women's March on January 21st in DC but damn it, Trump should not be inaugurated. And no one seems to be doing a thing to get to the bottom of this sad, sorry affair. Will one of our esteemed congress critters lift a finger or even release a statement?? I am hoping that by Sunday or Monday we'll see some real action but I won't hold my breath. We are screwed.....

Will someone who knows explain if our Constitution covers the situation we find ourselves in?? I am pretty sure we don't have "Do-Overs", but what happens when there is cheating, fraud and interference in the election process? Did the framers of the Constitution envision such a scenario?

[Greybnk48]

61. I'll bet one of the States was Wisconsin.

aka Walkerstan. Home of Ron Johnson, who was losing to Feingold the entire time, quite badly. Priebus who is a slime of the first degree, scumbag Lyin' Ryan, not to mention our local lowlifes in Madison that work with Walker.

[iluvtennis]

62. Agreed and all for revenge on HRC who called out the Russian 2011 elections as not free & fair nt

[uponit7771]

69. +1

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

66. K&R

[lark]

71. We are now the United Kingdom of Fuckedupistan

Let by dictator for life Herr Fuhrer Drumpf. US is no more,

[uponit7771]

72. +1

[Eyeball_Kid]

73. Fact ONE: Trumpy always lies.

We need to keep that in mind with every news release, every tweet, every doubletalking event put on by surrogates.

When Trumpy says that Russian hacking had absolutely NO effect on the election, he's lying. Take it to the bank. NOTHING Trumpy says has the ring of truth.

When we have evidence of pervasive Russian meddling in the national election, believe the evidence. Do NOT believe Trumpy. It's in Trumpy's best interests to spread ambiguity and suspicion that facts are false. That's all that Trumpy cares about-- what makes him look good. NOTHING ELSE MATTERS TO HIM. His brand is his survival link. The ends, that he is glorified as a demigod, justifies ANY MEANS NECESSARY.

The sooner that the MSM as a Fourth Estate absorbs this unremitting truth about Trumpy, the better. Of course, corporate pressure on the MSM will suppress this truth. But it can't last forever. If Trumpy says it isn't so, you can place your bets on the fact that he's lying.

[uponit7771]

74. +1, Historically the 4th estate wants access so the give up their souls for it... we have to fringe

... the fuckers who want to normalize Benedict Donald.

Even Joe Scar was touched the other day by being accused of normalizing MiniPoot...

[yuiyoshida]

75. The question is who is going to do anything about it?

Not the Republican party, they are gleefully happy with it. They rigged and beat the system and no impeachments or judicial processes will happen. We are Stuck with Trump and the Republicans for the next four years, and unless things change NOTHING WILL BE DONE.

[uponit7771]

76. Some rich dem can go challenge the election at the USSC, it wasn't free or fair and we're

... promised this through the constitution.

Other than doing something strange like burning down congress or some shit I don't see dems doing anything practical.

I'm wondering what will get their hair up... what will get them going

[yuiyoshida]

77. Mayhe if after Donald Trump is sworn in

makes a speech about turning the US over to Russia, and the Republican party gives him a standing ovation, long after all the Democratic mouths drop to the collective floor, than maybe someone will think of something.


seriously? Even if this happened, ...if,..nothing will happen.

[uponit7771]

78. Yeah, there has to be a point where dems get they ass up and do somethin strange

[red dog 1]

81. K&R

Too bad HRC followed BHO's advice and conceded the election so quickly.
If she hadn't done so, she could have requested recounts in key states that Trump stole, especially recounts in all counties NOT using "touch & pray" voting machines.

It might not have stopped Twitler from eventually becoming POTUS, but at least it would have been "doing something"...rather than just meekly allowing the Russians & the GOP to steal the election, (which is what did happen).

[fiorello]

82. CAREFUL! This can easilly spiral into "Fake News"

As reported by the CIA, etc: Russia, at, most, might have been able to look around at State and local places. Maybe they saw some vote counts. They were NOT able to change these in any way.

I know that many people here distrust the "M$M", but we've seen the alternative. It's called "fake news".

Fake news is for Republicans. It's for Trump. It's not for us. We don't need it.

As Colbert famously said: "Reality has a well known liberal bias".

We don't need to invent stuff. We don't need to claim that maybe Russia monkeyed with some of the numbers. Claims without evidence! That's Trump stuff.

Isn't it enough to say: Russia hacked into the DNC, they released carefully edited versions to hurt the Democrats, the head of the FBI joined in with a carefully worded leak 11 days before Election Day, the Republicans also suppressed the vote wherever they could. All facts. No exaggeration needed.

Enough to conclude that the Republicans are anti-American thugs (who, incidentally, are fond of torture). And that Democrats are not just the party of fairness, of decency, of economic growth aimed at the middle and working classes rather than the oligarchs-they are also the party of America, if you believe in this country, of truth justice and the American way. Let the Republicans be the party of oligarchs, Russians, and fake news (because only fake news can save them now).

Reality is enough for us!

[uponit7771]

83. Altering the data is still a false bar. Viewing the data is bad enough and represents an unfair ...

... advantage to one team seeing the Russians were OPENLY helping Benedict Donald per the report.

Either way

Not A free and NOT A fair election, no matter where the bar is set...


Russia interfered that's a fact without dispute... that's enough for a do-over