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ck4829

(35,046 posts)
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 09:05 AM Jan 2017

Sounds like Comey and his FBI should have been more interested in helping Esteban Santiago than

chasing after Hillary Clinton and her emails... again.

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The brother of a man accused of killing five people at a Florida airport questioned Saturday why his brother was allowed to keep his gun after U.S. authorities knew he'd become increasingly paranoid and was hearing voices.

Esteban Santiago, 26, had trouble controlling his anger after serving in Iraq and told his brother that he felt he was being chased and controlled by the CIA through secret online messages. When he told agents at an FBI field office his paranoid thoughts in November, he was evaluated for four days, then released without any follow-up medication or therapy.

"The FBI failed there," Bryan Santiago told The Associated Press. "We're not talking about someone who emerged from anonymity to do something like this."

Speaking in Spanish outside his family's house in Penuelas, the brother said: "The federal government already knew about this for months, they had been evaluating him for a while, but they didn't do anything."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/relatives-airport-shooting-suspect-had-mental-health-issues-073702613--politics.html

I guess their obsession really paid off, five people dead. Good job.

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Sounds like Comey and his FBI should have been more interested in helping Esteban Santiago than (Original Post) ck4829 Jan 2017 OP
Not important to them. Going after Hillary on the other hand, w-a-a-a-y important. brush Jan 2017 #1
The Trumpchurian Candidate.... global1 Jan 2017 #2
Interesting! Madam45for2923 Jan 2017 #8
yes mercuryblues Jan 2017 #9
Actual DARPA project for remote control of soldier's thoughts: lostnfound Jan 2017 #11
I am guessing that it is different agents HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #3
Dozens of FBI agents workings for months on GOP manufactured bullshit. oasis Jan 2017 #4
According to wiki, the FBI has over 35,000 employees FarCenter Jan 2017 #5
Your assertion seems flawed. procon Jan 2017 #6
Some folks cannot be programmed malaise Jan 2017 #7
PTSD seems to be mental illnesses that we manufacture then ignore HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #10
Precisely malaise Jan 2017 #12

global1

(25,241 posts)
2. The Trumpchurian Candidate....
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 09:28 AM
Jan 2017

- served a tour in the 'war'
- PTSD
- heard voices in head
- said CIA wanted him to join ISIS
- said they gave him tapes to watch
- held for days under evaluation
- allowed to travel with only a gun
- no other luggage; didn't arouse suspicion
- like an automaton; retrives gun in Lauderdale
- shoots up airport; no apparent motive
- willfully surrenders

Certainly a strange series of events.

Almost like I seen this before in some movie. Hmmmmm.......

mercuryblues

(14,530 posts)
9. yes
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 10:44 AM
Jan 2017

This coincidentally happened the very same day the FBI released its report on how the Russian hacking led to a trump victory. Knocking that story off the front page. Alex Jones should get on this immediately.

lostnfound

(16,173 posts)
11. Actual DARPA project for remote control of soldier's thoughts:
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 11:31 AM
Jan 2017

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/09/military-technology-pentagon-robots/406786/

Under the DSO banner, in a program called the Brain-Machine Interface, DARPA scientists studied how brain implants could enhance cognitive ability. The program’s first goal was to create “a wireless brain modem for a freely moving rat,” DARPA’s Eric Eisenstadt stated at a technology conference in 2002.The scientists would implant a chip in the rat’s brain to see if they could remotely control the animal’s movements.

“The objective of this effort,” Eisenstadt explained, “is to use remote teleoperation via direct interconnections with the brain.” The bigger objective was to allow future “soldiers [to] communicate by thought alone. … Imagine a time when the human brain has its own wireless modem so that instead of acting on thoughts, warfighters have thoughts that act,” Eisenstadt suggested. But a 2008 report by defense scientists raised some warnings. “An adversary might use” brain technology “in military applications. … An extreme example would be remote guidance or control of a human being.” Other critics said that the quest to enhance human performance on the battlefield would lead scientists down a morally dangerous path.
Michael Goldblatt disagreed. “How is having a cochlear implant that helps the deaf hear any different than having a chip in your brain that could help control your thoughts?” he asked. When questioned about unintended consequences, like controlling humans for nefarious ends, Goldblatt insisted, “There are unintended consequences for everything.”

oasis

(49,376 posts)
4. Dozens of FBI agents workings for months on GOP manufactured bullshit.
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 09:32 AM
Jan 2017

Republicans aren't so worried about government waste when it comes to partisan witch hunts.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
5. According to wiki, the FBI has over 35,000 employees
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 09:36 AM
Jan 2017

Although the case was likely entered into the case management system, it's unlikely that anyone outside of the Alaska field office would have spent any time on the case.

procon

(15,805 posts)
6. Your assertion seems flawed.
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 09:54 AM
Jan 2017

It was up to local authorities (health care, police, justice and lawmakers) to determine the appropriate conclusion to deal with that man's issues. It's been pointed out by other articles and pundits, that the weak laws surrounding the possession of guns, violent behavior, mental health disorders, reporting these issues, and the necessary funding to responsibly cope with such serious problems, fall on our craven elected lawmakers at the local and federal levels.

The FBI was correct hand to him over to the local authorities in Alaska, if there is a question it should be asked why they did not did not find any red flags that would have sent him to a facility for treatment and that would have allowed a judge to take away his guns after he was "adjudicated a mental defective". However, once he was discharged with no mental health restrictions or court ordered ban, neither the FBI or Comey, had no grounds to withhold his gun.




malaise

(268,930 posts)
7. Some folks cannot be programmed
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 10:03 AM
Jan 2017

to kill and then reprogrammed. Support the troops has no meaning to most folks - it's just a nice slogan to make recruits feel they are loved and respected.

That young man who killed the cops was also ex-military.
Truth is a small minority of them snap but many are permanently damaged.

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
10. PTSD seems to be mental illnesses that we manufacture then ignore
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 11:05 AM
Jan 2017

Almost like we are running psych ops on our own people

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