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http://www.tennessean.com/story/money/2017/01/08/elusive-high-speed-internet-sprouts-rural-tennessee/93451036/(This is about something quite beneficial that resulted from the Stimulus Bill, early in the Obama administration. It is hard to fathom why voters in this area think that their interests are better served by Trump and the GOP).
"Seven years ago, the going internet speed in rural Scott County was 1.5 megabits per second near the bottom rung for most large providers and the slower speed applied to businesses, homes and medical clinics.
With residents spread out, about three homes per mile, upgrades were cost-prohibitive. But with an unemployment rate hovering above 18 percent and another 400 jobs lost in a span of months, the need was significant.
We needed the infrastructure to make it attractive to potential industries to move in, Highland Telephone Cooperative CEO and General Manager Mark Patterson said. How do you tell a rural area that its not cost effective, so you are just left on the other side of the digital divide?
Scott County, located 60 miles northwest of Knoxville, has a population of 22,000 and is classified by the state as economically distressed, yet its local cooperative now offers among the fastest internet services in the state and the nation. The recent upgrades that include 2,700 miles of fiber installation stem from a $67 million federal grant awarded to Highland Telephone Cooperative in 2010, part of the 2009 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act.
As Tennessee officials grapple with how to improve broadband access in rural areas as a means for economic improvement, Highland and other companies in rural Tennessee are demonstrating how grant dollars can be leveraged to spur much-needed infrastructure investments.".........
n2doc
(47,953 posts)TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)There are some successes but we are no where near universal high speed internet. Most rural areas of Texas have 2 choices, clunky expensive satellite or nothing.
BumRushDaShow
(128,881 posts)asked for shovel-ready to start and covered multiple years of funding availability while municipalities could put together plans for a variety of projects. If TX and its local companies refused to avail of it, what was Obama supposed to do? If anything, all those damn tech companies down there (hello Dell?, TI?, Samsung?, HP?) should have wired it for gratis, but the funding was there if they didn't want to get up off some $$$.
TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)Edit to add: You mentioned the will of municipalities to take up the president's offer. Rural is that antonym of municipal. There is no municipal government in the country- we are outside the city limits.
There was all kinds of ways to deliver ADSL to remote equipment but VZ would not approve the equipment. Perhaps the reason is they did not want to invest in the technology since the PTB were already of a mind to dump California, Texas and Florida. We technicians were certainly aware of the ways to deliver internet to rural customers but the company was not willing.
The problem needs to be seen as one of national importance like rural electrification and land lines in the 20th century. Doing it piece meal relying upon companies to voluntarily make the effort will never result in universal service. This holds as well for cell phone coverage and cable. The companies understandably will not invest in areas where they will get little or no chance of a return.
It worked for those other services because the providers were required to serve the less profitable areas if they wish to serve the high profit areas. I suppose this is a socialist type plan. I know what works. With the current downturn in the whole of government this will be a non-starter for at least the next 4 years.
The rural areas that received internet service during Pres. Obama's presidency may lose it because the funding to maintain service will likely be cut. There are electric bills to pay, technicians to service and make repairs (includng their trucks, test equipment, spare parts and tools). You know that saying, "keep it simple, stupid." Well the real world is anything but simple. It is a complex matrix of interconnections.
BumRushDaShow
(128,881 posts)whatever governmental entity exists - and there are such in rural areas - notably at a county level, e.g, "Commissioners" or similar hierarchy. These are the folks who will need to take hold of the reins to drive the demand for services. In fact, it really should come from the state level too on behalf of their least-served areas.
Unfortunately it would take federal legislation to "mandate" this if the impetus isn't expressed down at those county levels, or at least at the state level. And many who live on those areas nowadays loathe anything that is "big government mandating something".
The Rural Electrification Act(s) of FDR happened during a time before Faux Snooze and RW talk radio brainwashed folks in those areas into a mindset that "government is bad", and trying to do something like that today would be difficult... And it surely could not have been unilaterally "mandated" by President Obama, let alone accepted by those who were and still are tone deaf to the "Commie Nazi Kenyan Muslin with the fake birth certificate married to a 'Tranny'" telling them to ask for something.
Here in Philly, in order for Comcast (which is headquartered here) to retain/renew its franchise, they were mandated by our City Council to provide cable and/or internet service to low income areas that were just as bypassed for service as the rural areas. They also worked it out with Comcast to partner with Verizon on some of that build-out. Meanwhile, Verizon has been going around refusing to work on the older landlines in an attempt to force people to go with FIOS and have in many cases illegally told customers that their landlines would be cut off unless they switched. PA's Public Utility Commission has been investigating and monitoring this.
The small town/rural areas need advocates to speak/agitate/demand on their behalf - i.e., those who can "speak" for them in their terms and from their perspectives, as well as those who can pool resources to lobby their local elected officials to join with them to make it so. Otherwise, the attempts at making life "better" will be soundly rejected in an era of angry rejection of anything coming from "the government".
JHan
(10,173 posts)ROTFLMAO @ your Trump/Kanye sig graphic!
JHan
(10,173 posts)FarCenter
(19,429 posts)This is more taxation of high-density blue states to subsidize red states.
Besides, the new 5G LTE cellular technology will provide similar speeds at much lower cost than fiber in these low density areas. This will all be obsolete in 5 years.
TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)All those cell towers are ultimately connected to fiber optic backbones in any case. Fiber optic technology will not become obsolete because of wireless technology, they are interdependent.
An advantage of a fiber network to the premise is dependability. Buried and underground (in conduit) fiber cable is much more reliable, baring backhoes, to damage from weather and other problems.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Doubt that they put in conduits. If it is buried, it is probably in a plastic tube or direct buried.
FiOS here is on poles. Scott County looks to be pretty rugged, so burying cable may be an issue there due to trees and rocks. A relative on a farm in SD has subsidized buried service, but a neighbor plowed it up once. Plowing cable in and up are both easy there.
The carriers are really reluctant to spend more on fiber in low density areas. Radio will beat fiber in the last mile.
TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)whether wireless or on fiber, without coercion and incentives. They will only do what is good for the bottom line and never for the common good. It's all about what's good for our share holders never about what's good for the consumer.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)Act of 1936 where loans were made to get electricity to the rest of America. Internet is needed much like electricity was.
I had been calling about the Turbo high speed internet that I had been paying extra for since May of 2014. I was told it was going as fast as it was supposed to, but I kept having problems. Finally when I had to call technical support for Time Warner I was told that the modem I was given would not handle the high speed. I went to their offices and sure enough the technician was right. They gave me the right modem and I demanded a credit for the extra I had paid since then. They balked until I showed them my State Bar card and told them I was an attorney who was not going to let this go. After pulling teeth they agreed. Waiting for my next bill to make sure.
When you have a monopoly you tend to not give a shit unless threatened!
TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)See my response to ARRA. There were low interest loans available but many companies refused to avail themselves to them. There needs to be a stick with the carrot. The stick being-if you want the high profit areas you will serve the low profit areas; the carrot, here's some low interest money so you can do it.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)It is also bad for the environment.
TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Subsidizing infrastructure in low-density areas..."
Libraries, for example?
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)I can get ebooks from the County Library.
Books don't require much bandwidth. It is quick and easy to download from gutenberg.org most of what used to be the "Great Books" collection sold on paper at great expense. They have most of the great literary and philosophical works available for free.
dembotoz
(16,799 posts)replaced my dawn of time old modem this past weekend.
it does make a difference and long long overdue.
you do understand you rent the damn thing from time warner.....
this is the main reason i swapped mine out....return on investment was pretty damn quick.
the faster internet to the computer was just a wonderful not really anticipated side effect
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Perhaps the TVA could expand its mission to include this. It was, after all, founded to bring electricity to the rural South at a time when that was "cost-prohibitive".
Tanuki
(14,918 posts)misadministration. The GOP Senate failed to confirm 3 of Obama's choices for TVA directors, and Trump will have cart blanche to fill the positions with privatizers and cronies hostile to the agency's mission.
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2017/jan/03/will-new-president-change-tvatrump-name-major/405534/
"One third of the board that governs the Tennessee Valley Authority is being vacated today after the Republican-controlled Senate failed last year to confirm President Barack Obama's reappointment of three Democratic directors for America's biggest government-owned utility.
TVA Chairman Joe Ritch and the chairmen of two key board committees, Peter Mahurin and Mike McWherter, leave the TVA board today after they helped revamp the leadership and generation mix of TVA over the past five years.
Although major customer groups and even Tennessee's Republican senators said they support the current direction of TVA, incoming President Donald Trump will soon have a chance to name new directors for TVA who could reshape the federal agency created as part of President Roosevelt's New Deal in 1933. Combined with two additional board vacancies this year, Trump could appoint a majority of the nine-member TVA board as soon as May 18.
Trump did not speak about TVA during his presidential campaign last year, but he has pledged to reform how government works and repeatedly promised on the campaign trail he would revive America's coal industry by changing some regulations on fossil fuels. Trump could try to use TVA to help promote more coal generation or to promote other federal energy policies." (more at link)
phylny
(8,379 posts)Our Democratic challenger to the Republican House seat campaigned on it. She lost. We got nuthin.
BigDemVoter
(4,150 posts)similar with terrible consequences. Mark my words.