Do you believe the benefits of vaccination outweigh the costs? *

[DemocratSinceBirth]

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[HassleCat]

1. I voted yes, but there isn't even a question, really.

[Angry Dragon]

2. There is one thing that is forgotten in this debate

When they first combined the vaccines the delivery agent contained an excessive amount of mercury and has since been changed.
This is never talked about nor pointed out

[Angry Dragon]

12. I am sorry ............. when did he get his vaccine??

[Angry Dragon]

23. I am sorry you and your family had to go through this

[citood]

5. I read a fascinating book about the anthrax vacinne used in the first gulf war

I wasn't mercury, but a naturally occurring fat called squalene which was the topic. Apparently, in the early days of vaccines, squalene was used to help a vaccine grow (I think eggs are used for this for the flu shot every year as an example).

Anyway, for reasons that aren't completely understood, squalene caused complications in some people - mostly nerve related. And, it hasn't been in widespread use in this nation for 50 years.

Back to the gulf war - we had hundreds of thousands of troops who needed the anthrax vaccine quick...quicker than it could be made. The solution...allegedly...squalene. And, according to this book, this was the underlying cause of "Gulf War Illness". I don't know if the book is 100% accurate or not, but it sounds plausible.

Anyway, its things like this...and the mercury...which get people's tin foil going. The medical establishment never made a big deal about removing the mercury - likely because the first obvious question would be 'what was wrong with mercury', followed closely by 'whom do I sue'. I wish vaccine proponents would shout loud and clear that there is no mercury...but they just mumble it. And, obviously with the squalene, the army isn't too keen on giving direct answers either.

I'm all for vaccines, 100%...we just need to find a better way to more clearly communicate back and forth with the vaccine makers, about what is safe, what the risks are, and why today's vaccines are even safer than before.

[Act_of_Reparation]

13. Probably because it's wrong.

Between 1963 and 2001, the MMR vaccine contained ethylmercury, which is not the same shit you find in groundwater or fish. Not only is it not present in vaccines manufactured after 2001, there's no evidence it was harmful in the extremely limited quantities used in vaccines.

[LonePirate]

4. Um, costs? Are you implying something besides the dollar value of vaccinations?

Maybe I am misinterpreting the original question but it seems like an attempt to give credence to the anti-vaccination perspective.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. The poll speaks for itself. It's unanimous.

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I should elaborate. Almost any medical procedure involves costs. Even the simple drawing of blood carries a risk, albeit a small one, of infection at the site.

[procon]

16. So, this was just for attention? nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. Why would you impugn a stranger's motives?

[procon]

19. You first. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. Whose motives did I impugn?

[citood]

7. There are potential costs

When you get a vaccination, it is accompanied by a sheet of paper which states '1 in a zillion people die from this'.

Its a calculated risk...the health of the herd being much more important than the risk to one member. But there is always a potential risk.

[TheBlackAdder]

30. I did not perceive it that way. Also, there is an asterisk next to "costs?*" that hints at risks.

It looks that was added later to clarify, which I did not see when I gathered my first impressions.

[Arkansas Granny]

8. Absolutely. I'm old enough to remember the polio outbreaks and went to school with kids

who wore braces. I took my little card around the neighborhood collecting dimes for the March of Dimes. My mother's younger brother died at the age of 3 from a childhood disease which is preventable now.

[hunter]

20. My dad's sister died in childhood too.

I just remember having the mumps. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

[KamaAina]

9. Odd that you used polio as an example.

The anti-vax whackjobs try to terrify us with a different disability, autism. A picture of a smallpox cemetery might be more effective.

[longship]

10. If you grew up in the early 50's you remember polio.

If you did that, you are very likely pro vaccines.

If you are brain dead like RFK Jr. you are more likely anti-vaccines.

Get your vaccinations! Make sure your kiddies and pets get theirs, too.

The science is complete on this. They are safe and effective.
Just do it.

[SwissTony]

29. I remember polio.

Glasgow, 1950s. The one disease that terrified me. I think I'd had mumps and measles and probably a few others, but polio was really scary. I saw kids contract it. Awful.

[cyclonefence]

11. As a polio survivor

I say HELL YES

[asiliveandbreathe]

14. Thank goodness for Dr. Jonas Salk - and the Polio vaccine...

I would like to hear RFK's reasoning...

I learned several year ago that children were being subjected to multiple injections all at the same time..I was aghast...I raised 3 kiddos..I would never have agreed to 5 or 6 shots at once...

Cost??? - not sure what the question refers to..my wish would be for ALL children to have free vaccine (if that is what you are referring to)..small pox, Polio, measles, mumps, diphtheria...to this day, I remember a little girl in the fourth grade (I was in the sixth grade) with crutches due to polio (mid 50s) -

What I would like people to do - is pay attention to the medicines being shoved in OUR faces..seems to me, from the ADs the cure is worse than the problem...this is where Big Pharma rubs me the wrong way....and now - even more drugs without testing or empirical evidence it is even safe...

The WTO has just come out and said tobacco is expensive...and Boehner was handing out cigarettes on the house floor years ago - just a not of caution, that's all..

[procon]

15. I believe your question sucks.

Even as a poorly conceived effort at sarcasm, it's just wrong on so many levels. I grew up in an era before vaccines were in wide use, back in the day when little kids still contracted polio... ever go to visit a child locked in an iron lung? My sister barely survived measles with impaired vision and hearing loss, my brother still has the scars from a severe case of chickenpox.

It's not a joking matter.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. I find it sad that you would impugn the motives of a fellow denizen of this board.

[procon]

24. Buck up buttercup. You 'sad' doesn't come close to the disgusting insinuation

that human life and suffering is measured in coin.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. There you go again

"...Buck up buttercup..."

It doesn't cost a cent to be civil.

"...You 'sad' (sp) doesn't come close to the disgusting insinuation that human life and suffering is measured in coin..."

Cost is synonymous with risk and all medical procedures involve risk. Any injection entails the risk, albeit small, of infection at the injection site.

[katmondoo]

26. My brother had polio at age 5

No vaccine at that time. He suffered, was paralyzed from the neck down. It was a miracle I didn't get it as we were very close and only one year apart. His left arm never developed, he died young from a damaged heart a result of the polio. It makes me sick when people refuse to vaccinate their children.

[TheBlackAdder]

27. Lead & Mercury? Our water exposes us to more. One gets more exposure touching fake silver jewelry.

[rock]

28. I had to choose "Yes"

As you did not have a "Hell, Yes!"

[3catwoman3]

32. At the pedatric office where I work, the current...

...immunization pattern/recommendations at the 2, 4, and 6 month well visits are 2 injections and one oral vaccine.

Pentacel - a 5-in-1 immunization that provides th same protection that used to take 3 injections. It contains DTaP, IPV, and Hib.
Prevnar - protects against pneumococcal disease
Rotateq - protects against rotovirus diarrhea (oral)

The combined antigen load in these 3 sets of immunizations is less than used to be in a single snallpox vaccine.

In our practice, parents were thrilled when the Penatacel became available, and so were we - same protection, and half the needles.

Babies are exposed to thousands of antigens the moment they are born, and their immune sysems sre up to the task.