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pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
Wed Jan 11, 2017, 06:28 PM Jan 2017

BBC details the most explosive allegation -- and it's not about sex.

It's about bribery -- Russian money going to DT associates.

This article also contains new information about the source of the "dossier." Well worth reading the whole thing.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38589427

Last April, the CIA director was shown intelligence that worried him. It was - allegedly - a tape recording of a conversation about money from the Kremlin going into the US presidential campaign.
It was passed to the US by an intelligence agency of one of the Baltic States. The CIA cannot act domestically against American citizens so a joint counter-intelligence taskforce was created.

The taskforce included six agencies or departments of government. Dealing with the domestic, US, side of the inquiry, were the FBI, the Department of the Treasury, and the Department of Justice. For the foreign and intelligence aspects of the investigation, there were another three agencies: the CIA, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the National Security Agency, responsible for electronic spying.

Lawyers from the National Security Division in the Department of Justice then drew up an application. They took it to the secret US court that deals with intelligence, the Fisa court, named after the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. They wanted permission to intercept the electronic records from two Russian banks.

Their first application, in June, was rejected outright by the judge. They returned with a more narrowly drawn order in July and were rejected again. Finally, before a new judge, the order was granted, on 15 October, three weeks before election day.

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BBC details the most explosive allegation -- and it's not about sex. (Original Post) pnwmom Jan 2017 OP
my understanding is that fisa judges reject around 0.1% of all applications. unblock Jan 2017 #1
I'd like to see the rejection rate when the application is Sanity Claws Jan 2017 #4
If you will recall HurricaneWarning Jan 2017 #20
Marking to read later. herding cats Jan 2017 #2
Maybe NATO could help the Democrats next time. raging moderate Jan 2017 #3
And to think they denied Obama over a thousand other judicial appointments, aside from the SC. bettyellen Jan 2017 #5
I stand corrected. HurricaneWarning Jan 2017 #21
It was an unprecedented amount of appointments held up, yes. bettyellen Jan 2017 #23
First of all, how many FISA requests are rejected? Chiyo-chichi Jan 2017 #6
How often does the FBI make an announcement like Comey's days before an election? pnwmom Jan 2017 #13
BBC is not fake news bdamomma Jan 2017 #7
... and Auntie Beeb cannot be shut down by Trump. mwooldri Jan 2017 #19
K&R 2naSalit Jan 2017 #8
"useful fool" GusBob Jan 2017 #9
Polezni duraks. Glimmer of Hope Jan 2017 #12
polezni duraki? The Polack MSgt Jan 2017 #30
Yes. Thank you. Glimmer of Hope Jan 2017 #31
8 years of hatred and blocking every Obama initiative BSdetect Jan 2017 #10
ultimately, I think Trump will be very bad for the GOP... and hopefully before Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #18
McConnell another bdamomma Jan 2017 #34
Did they ever get info from the server at Trump tower? sarah FAILIN Jan 2017 #11
Made all that much easier by Citizens United. tenorly Jan 2017 #14
There seems to be enough time for the 'gatekeepers of information' of every stripe to.... Jacob Boehme Jan 2017 #15
Hence the rush ProudLib72 Jan 2017 #16
did you see the bit about how Russia was kind of a distraction and China was really where Trump Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #17
Yeah, that jumped out at me, too. pnwmom Jan 2017 #22
Well the money part of the Russian story was... the rest, nope! bettyellen Jan 2017 #25
I keep seeing that the FBI and Comey had this information and decided only to tarnish Hillary. lancelyons Jan 2017 #24
I wonder if the Russians had something on Comey. Since Comey thinks so highly pnwmom Jan 2017 #26
He not only had the info on Trump.. Docreed2003 Jan 2017 #28
I think Obama needs him right now to pursue Ilsa Jan 2017 #33
Who does Donnie owe? Dawson Leery Jan 2017 #27
I'm not sure how much longer I can endure this marathon feeling of nausea. Pacifist Patriot Jan 2017 #29
KnR Hekate Jan 2017 #32

Sanity Claws

(21,822 posts)
4. I'd like to see the rejection rate when the application is
Wed Jan 11, 2017, 06:36 PM
Jan 2017

aimed at a well-known Republican. The prominence of the target, as well as party affiliation, probably caused a greater level of scrutiny.
Remember justice is NOT blind.

HurricaneWarning

(220 posts)
20. If you will recall
Wed Jan 11, 2017, 09:08 PM
Jan 2017

Bush packed the courts, whereas 120 judgeships were left open during the Obama administration because the Repubs wouldn't move on it. They really have a long plan in taking over.

raging moderate

(4,281 posts)
3. Maybe NATO could help the Democrats next time.
Wed Jan 11, 2017, 06:34 PM
Jan 2017

After pulling this shenanigan, what possible objection could the GOP raise?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
23. It was an unprecedented amount of appointments held up, yes.
Wed Jan 11, 2017, 09:25 PM
Jan 2017

Kind of disgusting that they're going to stack the courts with a bunch of RW partisan assholes. All over the country.

Chiyo-chichi

(3,563 posts)
6. First of all, how many FISA requests are rejected?
Wed Jan 11, 2017, 06:45 PM
Jan 2017

Last edited Wed Jan 11, 2017, 08:07 PM - Edit history (1)

Haven't we heard that something on the order of a dozen were rejected over three decades?

And this gets rejected twice!!??

Finally granted... three weeks before the election... and where does it stand now?

From the story:

"The CIA, FBI, Justice and Treasury all refused to comment when I approached them after hearing about the Fisa warrant.

It is not clear what will happen to the inter-agency investigation under President Trump - or even if the taskforce is continuing its work now."

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
13. How often does the FBI make an announcement like Comey's days before an election?
Wed Jan 11, 2017, 07:49 PM
Jan 2017

Nothing about this situation is normal.

No other potential FISA case is comparable to this one -- involving a Republican Presidential candidate less than a month away from the election.

mwooldri

(10,291 posts)
19. ... and Auntie Beeb cannot be shut down by Trump.
Wed Jan 11, 2017, 08:55 PM
Jan 2017

After all it was in the last days of the Soviet Union, and Mikhail Gorbachev was tuning into the BBC Russian Service for news of the 1991 coup.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/history/story/2007/01/070124_gorbachev.shtml

After the BBC had accused the Labour government of "sexing up" the documents that led the UK into the 2nd Iraq War, journalistic standards actually went up, despite the fact that in the end the journalists involved were pretty much vindicated. I know BBC journalists are careful to ensure that what they report on is credible. They may not be the first with any "breaking news" but they are usually "right".

BSdetect

(8,989 posts)
10. 8 years of hatred and blocking every Obama initiative
Wed Jan 11, 2017, 07:35 PM
Jan 2017

led to this fiasco.

Mitch McConnel is a snide little shitbag.

I cannot stand seeing him or hearing him.

He's the so called leader in the Senate and is just a waste of space.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
18. ultimately, I think Trump will be very bad for the GOP... and hopefully before
Wed Jan 11, 2017, 08:42 PM
Jan 2017

he wrecks us as a whole.

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
11. Did they ever get info from the server at Trump tower?
Wed Jan 11, 2017, 07:38 PM
Jan 2017

There was supposed to be a FISA warrant for that.

tenorly

(2,037 posts)
14. Made all that much easier by Citizens United.
Wed Jan 11, 2017, 08:05 PM
Jan 2017

Narco-dollars were part of the GOP SuperPac behemoth as well, no doubt.

Jacob Boehme

(789 posts)
15. There seems to be enough time for the 'gatekeepers of information' of every stripe to....
Wed Jan 11, 2017, 08:13 PM
Jan 2017
....gesticulate with their hair all afire now that this buffoon has been confirmed. But why the hell weren't they screaming it from the rooftops when he was still in the primaries.

Yes, some of the media and the keepers of information (CIA, FBI, et. al.) made there thoughts known, but not nearly loudly enough.

So April of 16, the cat was out of the bag, yet here in January of 17, when this shit-bag is nine-fucking-days from taking office they all jump up and yell "Fire" in our proverbial movie theater.

May God help us all..... because we're going to need it.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
16. Hence the rush
Wed Jan 11, 2017, 08:31 PM
Jan 2017

It's not like Putin himself went to his bank and sent a money order. There are so many intermediaries that it will take time to connect the dots. If the current intelligence agencies keep at it, they will be able to give irrefutable evidence. Therefore, tRump needs to get in there and slash these agencies.

 

lancelyons

(988 posts)
24. I keep seeing that the FBI and Comey had this information and decided only to tarnish Hillary.
Wed Jan 11, 2017, 09:27 PM
Jan 2017

I keep seeing that the FBI and Comey had this information and decided only to tarnish Hillary.

I just cant see how this guy keeps his job. Certainly should be remembered for what he did.

Trump will get in office and they will quash all work on this in FBI and CIA period.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
26. I wonder if the Russians had something on Comey. Since Comey thinks so highly
Wed Jan 11, 2017, 09:39 PM
Jan 2017

of himself, it might not have taken much to shame him into following their orders.

Docreed2003

(16,817 posts)
28. He not only had the info on Trump..
Wed Jan 11, 2017, 10:22 PM
Jan 2017

His agency actively poo-poo a verified report about the Trump server and Russian connections in the days prior to the election. That was a bombshell report and it went nowhere because the FBI undercut the story.

Ilsa

(61,675 posts)
33. I think Obama needs him right now to pursue
Thu Jan 12, 2017, 03:54 PM
Jan 2017

The investigation. It's mord important to keep the FBI intact and go after trump.

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