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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt is literally heartbreaking to see the last few days of the obama presidency
I will miss this man and his family, his love of his country, and his grace under such disgraceful obstruction, more than I ever thought possible.
i cannot believe the depth of shit he had to endure without getting any of the shit on himself.
I really hope I live long enough to see another president of this caliber again. I suspect though that this a once in a lifetime type of thing.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)Ava
(16,197 posts)grieving for Clinton. Then I became angry for months. And I'm still angry. But only in the past week has the deep sadness and realization that he's leaving office next week set in.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)seeing obama leave would always hurt, but not this much if he had left it to HRC.
Ava
(16,197 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Hekate
(90,561 posts)How in hell did we do this to ourselves?
secondwind
(16,903 posts)StevieM
(10,500 posts)to go.
Even with the fake email scandal having been sold to the American people, the media's refusal to cover her policy proposals and the devastating effects of the primaries, she still had a decisive victory coming.
Not even the Russian hacking and their misinformation and manipulation was enough to beat her.
Then Comey and the FBI decided to step in to rig the election. There was nothing she could do.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)Grey Lemercier
(1,429 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,606 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)still_one
(92,061 posts)losing
Was the best President in my lifetime
Hekate
(90,561 posts)trixie2
(905 posts)sheshe2
(83,654 posts)I will miss his humanity.
Thanks Pri~
lambchopp59
(2,809 posts)I believe we have just had the most true to these words president I've ever seen.
And now: Our new despot doesn't care about election rigging that he won.
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
2.8 million voices silenced by gerrymandering college.
and... https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-election-really-was-rigged/2016/11/29/c2ed58d8-b666-11e6-a677-b608fbb3aaf6_story.html?utm_term=.60ea7863995a
yuiyoshida
(41,818 posts)to be followed by the worst... Damn!
StevieM
(10,500 posts)LBJ would have been one of the best if not for Vietnam.
yuiyoshida
(41,818 posts)Obama will always be the best. AS FOR FDR he ordered THE JAPANESE INTERNMENT, that's negative points with me.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)It is so sad that we must remember that as part of his presidency. It is so sad that the Internment happened.
But there is no denying all the good the FDR did. He prevented millions of people from starving to death. And he played a big role in stopping Hitler.
yuiyoshida
(41,818 posts)like GEORGE TAKEI, behind barb wire fences with armed guards, and search lights that swept the ground, while someone had to go take a pee, in an outhouse... THIS is no way to live!
but damn!! They were just Japanese...
StevieM
(10,500 posts)And it is sickening to live in an era where textbooks in Texas seek to whitewash it.
yuiyoshida
(41,818 posts)IT WAS ENCOURAGED.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)We could benefit only at the benevolence of that WWC man. It's still all about him and people don't get why we're fed up.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)We certainly saw this in our last election.
But there is no denying that the New Deal made an enormous difference in the lives of so many people. And the things that were done completely shattered previous ideological norms.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)That it also PROMOTED INEQUALITY. It shut out more than half of America to bolster the other, it depended on us being free and very low wage labor to be successful.
So flat out cheerleading for it is incredibly problematic to more than half of our current population.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)It is not like the New Deal backtracked on previous progress IMO. If you have information that I don't have, and believe that it did backtrack, then I would be very interested in learning it.
That doesn't excuse the injustices that existed in our society at the time or the injustice and inequality that accompanied the New Deal.
My point is that the New Deal prevented millions of people from starving to death.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Policies that yes, already existed. What part of giving a big leap forward to white men only do you think the rest of us should celebrate. For us, it promoted inequality.
I feel like I'm spinning my wheels, suffice to say if you can't have enough empathy to realize it was tainted by bigotry I don't know what else to say to you.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)I agree that our society is sexist and patriarchal. But it is less so today than it was in the past. That is why I used the word "more."
Of course New Deal America was tainted by bigotry. Our whole society was back then. The New Deal did not change that, nor did it set out to.
I can't dismiss its importance to our people because it prevented mass starvation.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)Like him again.
Without the least reservation I consider him the greatest president in our nation's history.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,106 posts)supremacist country, maybe you are right, maybe he is the best.
Lincoln and FDR is who I put above him but nobody else.
Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)JHan
(10,173 posts)The Polack MSgt
(13,182 posts)My wife keeps listening to speeches from the President and 1st lady, and watching the Medal of Freedom presentation to VP Biden - and then she cries.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,967 posts)LeftInTX
(25,139 posts)I've lived through 11 presidents
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)that he'll be replaced with his sworn enemy; a guy who hounded him for his birth certificate and who lied about him being a foreigner. It's one thing to be from a different party, but it's another to be a total dickhead. It feels like an injustice to have this ignorant, loudmouth bully as the next president.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Initech
(100,040 posts)And it will take decades, centuries even to recover unless he is stopped.