Witness Russian propaganda in action

[BainsBane]

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http://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/the-establishment-is-trying-to-steal-the-presidency-from-trump/

Trump is standing up to "oligarchy." His cabinet doesn't please the oligarchy: 5 appointees from Goldman, at least that many billionaires, all as far right wing as exists, and they aren't the oligarchy?

He's standing in the way of war with Russia, which makes him better than Democrats. Did you know the US, and Hillary Clinton specifically, was planning war on Russia? Donald Trump, a beacon of peace amid a sea of hawks.

And then the requisite comment of how Hillary "stole" the primary, a creation of Russian propaganda, as recent investigations have determined.

And of course the rapist Assange, defender of the America's only hope for peace and democracy, the sexual predator Donald Trump. It would appear that being a sexual assailant garners particular esteem among fascists.

They claim there is a coup underway against Trump (it was put out by the Kremlin so it must be true) because of the orange one's bravery in standing up to the "establishment" and "oligarchy," you know--establishment oligarchs like John Lewis who refused to drink at the colored folks fountain like he was supposed to.

And they think their hated is justified by anger over Bernie being denied the nomination by a woman who refused to stay in the kitchen like she is supposed to. Despite my disagreements with Bernie, I have to believe he would find their deluded hate mongering and unfettered admiration for a billionaire and his despotic handler Putin every bit as repulsive as I do.

This is an example of the effect of Russian propaganda. Now granted, that propaganda would not be effective among reasonably intelligent and sane people, but the fact is too many across the political spectrum are neither. The Kremlin are masters as psy-ops, and they know whom to target. Americans may be particularly susceptible because of poor education and our news media. Whatever the explanation, this should scare the shit out of most everyone. These people vote, and we are living through the outcome of their insane choices, which they are now desperate to defend in the most bizarrely irrational ways imaginable. At least they aren't spreading their deranged ravings on this site any more.

[NanceGreggs]

1. " At least they aren't spreading their deranged ravings ...

... on this site any more."

Well, there's something to celebrate.

[BainsBane]

2. Sadly, the view is more pervasive

Than that one site. The Kremlin has been quite successful.

[yardwork]

6. Except that they are. There are plenty of JPR-lite posts here.

[sarah FAILIN]

16. Thought I saw one today

The post seemed to go silent once that posted. I could be wrong though.

[betsuni]

29. Yesterday saw a name here I thought for sure would stay over at JPR. Sad. (nt)

[roamer65]

3. The weaponization of social media.

The Russians have gotten good at it.

[BainsBane]

5. The other thread with the

"Sane progressive" shows a similar mindset.

[xor]

36. They have.

They are just exploiting our obvious weaknesses too. The amount of division in this country is insane. Not sure if that's all our own doing, or external forces have been playing a role in helping us along.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. Useful idiots.

Rex Tillerson said we could form a blockade and prevent China access to some islands in the South China Sea. I never saw Hillary or President Obama suggest we go to war against a superpowe and a blockade is an act of war over some sand bars.

[BainsBane]

7. They take the Kremlin's word

On everything. Clearly that site linked to is a Russian propaganda organ, so the entire spin is precisely what the Kremlin has told them to believe. Their hated for the Democratic Party and especially the non-white Democratic voters primes them to champion a white supremacist and fascist like Trump.

Of course it's not just that site. It's far more pervasive, and people like them were instrumental in Trump's election.

Even so, to describe a cabinet of billionaires as resisting establishment and oligarchy takes idiocy to new levels.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. The frightening thing is those clowns truly believe they are progressive.

[JHan]

9. I'm real tempted to just dismiss them as idiots but it's sad to see people duped so foolishly....

I think it was all too easy for the Kremlin with politics so ideologically polarized (compounded by apathy) - both provide the ideal climate for propagandists of all sorts. Ideologues now control the narrative in our politics and centrism is vilified as "selling out", rather than a modifying force between extremes. There's no place for objectivity or nuanced thinking. As President Obama said in his farewell speech, there isn't even agreement on known facts, which feeds the polarization.

Maybe the warning sign was Trutherism during the Bush years, which set the stage for the likes of Alex Jones, and other peddlers of lies - and of course Birtherism and now the poisonous antipolitics of neoreactionaries and their "Deep State" paranoia, mentioned in the thread you shared, which would appeal to the narcissism of dogmatists.

Obama's farewell speech was bittersweet because he so eloquently described the problem. The lack of objectivity means we cannot be rational and irrationality primes minds for manipulation. If we cannot be rational, we can't tell when we're being duped, and thus depend on the powerful to tell us what to think, how to behave, how to act. It doesn't surprise me then they would favor Trump, or Putin. And irrationality led them to believe that because they couldn't have the candidate they wanted, letting Trump in the WH - who would be far worse for them - was infinitely better.

[BainsBane]

11. Good points

Polarization of politics and of media. They read only what they want to see, and dismiss everything else. That is a widespread phenomenon that goes beyond Trump apologists. As you noted, our society is deeply troubled, and Trump is the result of that.

[pbmus]

31. Agree...that the Big Con is the symptom of a much larger problem...

Mainly education....

[JHan]

38. What you described...

Confirmation bias and motivated reasoning to a "T". Ego tied up in personal views - maybe it's a symptom of helplessness. There was a lot of talk about "revolution" last year and"Change" but "change" for the sake of "change" can give you shit change. On top of that we've *got those who fancy themselves rebels and revolutionaries who always rail against the reformers. They always want to destroy. Pseudo rebs and revs always go after the refs because the process of reform is laborious, takes work and incremental - and there's no adrenaline rush in planning effective policy.

One of the strong messages I was left with after the DNC convention last year, from Obama and Clinton, was the challenge they put to people to get into the arena and fight.I vowed to myself to do better as a citizen and get involved. Conservatives have the easier route of just hating government (When it suits them), Democrats have the challenge of trying to make it work because we believe in strong effective governance, and want to strengthen the efficacy of Government in serving people. We can only accomplish this with majorities in Congress. I think back to 2010 , when the Occupy Movement was in full swing, and Obama was abandoned... really, did that movement accomplish much on its own? For a while, it was a force, but then it petered out. While they were raising a fuss and making Obama the enemy, the GOP took the house, gerrymandered districts, and set themselves up nice for the next crop of midterms.

[Cha]

10. They're purposely obtuse and wilfully blind as bats.. what a sad state to live in.

looks like it gives them a perverse pleasure to apologize for the sexual predatory racist, homophobic, pathological, sociopathic dumber than a sack of shite POSUCS.

[dalton99a]

12. Alex Jones is preaching the same crap.

[BainsBane]

14. Great

The Kremlin--Alex Jones--and the insane "progressives." That's quite a trifecta.

[dalton99a]

17. Yep, he's busy trying to protect Dear Leader from his many enemies

The crazy website is regurgitating quite a bit of his nonsense.

[dionysus]

13. Ah yes.. segami and sabrina... i won't waste my time to read the whole

thread, but i can recall that they are cardboard cutout comrades; my guess is for these guys it's more about their love of russia and putin than trump, from what i remember of their postings.

They love Mother Russia more than anything, the cardboard cutout comrades... inwonder if they find trump a strange ally... seeing as he doesn't share ANY of their ideology; he loves putin cause he's a fellow asshole, he's jealous of his power, and the fact russia owns his debts, lol

[BainsBane]

15. Yes, that predates the primary with them

I'm not sure about the others though. Also it's not just that site. The "sane progressive" (what an ironic name) is making the same argument.

[dionysus]

18. I bet bernie would cringe if he read that thread and realized

how insane some of his peeps are.

I'm sure embrassed be em. Now maybe i understand DU a little better... surely you don't think most of us bernie ppl are like THAT, do you?

I really hope not. I never associated hillary supporters at large with the crazy "inadequate black male" PUMA lady, for instance...

[BainsBane]

20. Not at all

I live in a state that went overwhelmingly for Bernie. Most of them wee disappointed he didnt win but went on to support Clinton. People can and should support whomever they think best in the primary. Then elections and caucuses determine the nominee, as it should be. If Bernie would have won, I'd have done the same.

[dionysus]

22. Most of us are like that. Plus, while a lot of us have favorite politicians, i never

understood how far some people take it... really strange to me.

Imagine what any of it looks lime to non polotical jinkies, they must think we're all crazy as shothouse rats and delusional.. .

[Cha]

19. "The Sane Progressive"? He's protesting too much

[BainsBane]

21. She

Haven't you seen her videos?

[Cha]

23. lol.. She.. Thank you, B.. no, I try to

avoid crap like that.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

24. Wow. That is pathetic & unbelieveable. Trump IS the fking oligharchy, or would be if he could be.

He may have been too in debt to Russia or whomever to truly be in the 1%, but he would love to be, and will use his presidency to put himself and his cronies there.

[BainsBane]

27. That's the craziest part

How could a billionaire with a cabinet of several billionaires be anything but the oligarchy?

[betsuni]

25. K&R

[KittyWampus]

26. I feel compelled to post the "Drunken Squirrel" video on this thread too. The bizarre ramblings

are just so silly.

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[pbmus]

30. That is serious LOL...

[betsuni]

32. JPR has more nuts.

[Blue_Tires]

28. What in fuck's name happened to Segami?

I'm almost scared to see what other longtime names are over there...

That post is like the Michelangelo's David of emoprogism...

[bravenak]

33. Goodness gracious!

He seems to have graduated from needless black bolding to, needless black AND RED bolding. I had no idea how much 'True Progressives' supported Trump!

[JustAnotherGen]

35. Used to be

May not be in the black, but happy she ain't in the red.

[JustAnotherGen]

34. They need to stop

[BainsBane]

37. They won't

They are firmly in Trump's corner.

[JustAnotherGen]

39. Yep - I don't go there

But based upon the things some of their members posted here? I'm sure they are taking Putin's word over Maxine Waters. Putin, an evil ex KGBer says it's not so - and so they have their 'marching orders'. Doing his bidding. I'll stop there - because you know my next 'acronym' and you've already gotten on me once!






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