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Mon Jan 16, 2017, 03:00 PM

Don't be naive, the "insurance for all" bit is meant to throw cold water on upcoming protests

So instead of steely resolve, the naive among us are now hoping that Trump will bring us single payer. Maybe if that's true, we don't have to protest. Right? Wrong!

Don't be naive. Trump is a con artist. He already fooled millions with the wall lie, don't let "single payer" become the next carrot he uses to gain blind support.

All you have to do is look at who he nominated for Department of Health and Human Services:

Tom Price opposes even more of the Affordable Care Act than Trump. For example, Price's proposed health care overhaul does not require insurers to cover pre-existing conditions, a policy Trump has repeatedly pledged to maintain.

Price has also backed moves to reform and cut Medicare benefits, an entitlement program for the nation's elderly that Trump has pledged to protect.

Outside of his conservative economic record, others may find his social stances a major issue. Chief among these for the HHS job: Price is anti-abortion, pro-gun rights and opposed to the Obamacare provision mandating birth control access.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/16/planning/tom-price-trump-health-and-human-services/index.html

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Reply Don't be naive, the "insurance for all" bit is meant to throw cold water on upcoming protests (Original post)
ecstatic Jan 2017 OP
uponit7771 Jan 2017 #1
TheBlackAdder Jan 2017 #30
Wounded Bear Jan 2017 #2
dalton99a Jan 2017 #3
gratuitous Jan 2017 #4
Iggo Jan 2017 #10
old guy Jan 2017 #5
SharonAnn Jan 2017 #23
yardwork Jan 2017 #25
dogman Jan 2017 #6
annabanana Jan 2017 #24
Doreen Jan 2017 #7
cheyanne Jan 2017 #8
yurbud Jan 2017 #9
jodymarie aimee Jan 2017 #11
stage left Jan 2017 #22
sfwriter Jan 2017 #12
yardwork Jan 2017 #26
sfwriter Jan 2017 #35
etherealtruth Jan 2017 #13
LineLineReply K
oldtime dfl_er Jan 2017 #14
progree Jan 2017 #15
Motown_Johnny Jan 2017 #16
volstork Jan 2017 #17
bucolic_frolic Jan 2017 #18
ananda Jan 2017 #19
ancianita Jan 2017 #20
stage left Jan 2017 #21
Warpy Jan 2017 #27
BuddyCa Jan 2017 #28
HassleCat Jan 2017 #29
meow2u3 Jan 2017 #33
Iggo Jan 2017 #31
bdamomma Jan 2017 #32
sarcasmo Jan 2017 #34

Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 03:02 PM

1. +1, MiniPoot just says shit no rhyme or reason UNLESS its defending Russia, there he's consistent

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 07:43 PM

30. Yep, he's just trying to deflect some flak before performing the old switcheroo!

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 03:03 PM

2. Absolutely!

Believe nothing Trump says. Never assume that he "intends" to do something right or good. His only motivation is self-aggrandizement and filling his own coffers.

Congress is the target anyway. We need to pressure them. Trump is mostly irrelevant on this one.

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 03:05 PM

3. Rule #1 for dealing with Trump: "Talk is cheap." Rule #2: "Everything he says is a lie."

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 03:07 PM

4. Anyone who repeats anything Trump says gets my standard reply

How do you know he's speaking seriously this time?

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 03:19 PM

10. Exactly. "For reals? He's not lying this time? How can you tell?"

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 03:08 PM

5. We have always had insurance for all.

If you can afford the premiums, if you didn't have a pre-existing condition, and a whole butt load of other restrictions, hell yeah, insurance for all. Very different from health care for all. He has nothing.

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Response to old guy (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 05:49 PM

23. Actually, we didn't. Here in TN before ACA they could (and did) deny insurance all the time.

And there were no alternatives. This was especially hard on those who were over 50 who nearly always had something they defined as a "pre-existing" condition. Could be allergies, high blood pressure, acid reflux, etc. And you couldn't buy a "high risk" plan because there weren't any. They just said "No insurance for you". Period. All companies did this.

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Response to old guy (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 05:57 PM

25. Similar to "gay people have always had the right to marry...."

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 03:09 PM

6. We need healthcare not insurance.

Insurance is a Corporate interest. Healthcare is the people's interest. That is the true failure of the ACA, even with subsidies many cannot afford insurance.

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Response to dogman (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 05:50 PM

24. right on the nose

Whenever and wherever the word "insurance" comes up, check your wallet.

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 03:11 PM

7. No matter what he says

he will just grab the paper put on his desk sign push it aside and go to the next either on Friday or Saturday. He hired people to do all of the work and if they fuck the American people he does not care. He will be paying attention to making more money for himself and figuring out how to take our money away from us for himself. We are just about to enter a dictatorship and it is a hateful dictatorship at that.

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 03:13 PM

8. tao of the demagogue: promising unicorns

While the demagogue is silencing his enemies with fear, he also works to "win over" the rest of the population with guarantees of whatever they want. . .

but this is just a confusion strategy to keep anyone from really looking at what he is doing: dismantling democracy.

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 03:13 PM

9. Obamacare is better than whatever the right will try to replace it with

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 03:21 PM

11. not naive, live in Wisconsin

 

Forget Trump, it is Ryan we fear. One of our WI shits... they always have the nice sounding phrases. Pro Life, as if we are Pro Death, School Choice which is privatising, Right to Work, which we know is FOR LESS. So Insurance For All means Insurance For Those who can PAY. FREEDOM you know, FREEDOM to die.

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Response to jodymarie aimee (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 05:43 PM

22. As Bernie Sanders translated the other day:

"Strengthening" Social Security is cutting it. Making medicare better is privatizing it.

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 03:35 PM

12. Ill be at the protest, but I hope he succeeds in single payer.

 

I wouldn't put ANY money on it though. As the op says, it is a lie. one more albatross to hang around his and the Republican's necks though.

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Response to sfwriter (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 05:59 PM

26. Trump has said over and over that he is OPPOSED to single payer.

The idea that Trump wants single payer is a fantasy.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #26)

Wed Jan 18, 2017, 12:49 AM

35. Oh, I agree.

 

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 03:40 PM

13. Insurance for all does NOT mean healthcare for all

Elements the ACA assured people that they would be covered for some screening and preventive care. many of the plans touted as low cost by the republicans cover almost nothing and begin paying after astronomical co-pays and out of pocket expenses have been paid ... so one may have "insurance' but realistically no access to healthcare (probably wore than where we started)

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Response to etherealtruth (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 03:49 PM

14. K

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 04:35 PM

15. I think we will have an abundance of low-cost insurance plans available again

and that a lot of people will like them. They will have reasonable, even low deductibles, and reasonable copays in percentage terms...

Just like the junk insurance many people bought on the individual market before the ACA.

(Rand) Paul said his plan would “legalize the sale of inexpensive insurance”, adding: “That means getting rid of the Obamacare mandates on what you can buy.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/15/rand-paul-obamacare-bernie-sanders

One of the greatest things about the ACA is that there is standardization of benefits and plans can be compared to each other when shopping. And that there isn't any "junk insurance" on the exchanges.

Whereas before, on the individual market, there was a ton of crap insurance with severe limitations on annual and life-time amounts, and very high or unlimited out of pocket maximums, and so what you had was placebo care. Something that was good if you had an ordinary illness or accident, but nothing that was going to matter if you had like a $200,000+ cancer treatment or coronary bypass etc. (So when a RWer or JPRer tells you about the cheap individual insurance plan (s)he had before the ACA, well, that's exactly what they had -- cheap "insurance".

Also, young healthy people would generally buy the cheap policies, which would raise the cost of the more robust health policies for e.g. middle-aged and older needing serious health insurance.

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 04:37 PM

16. Insurance for all... and Mexico is going to pay for it.

 



Also, the Brooklyn Bridge is up for sale at a great price.




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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 05:16 PM

17. Thank you for calling this out.

He is an A-1 bullshit artist.

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 05:21 PM

18. It will be an empty plan

unaffordable for most, or stripped of benefits, or punitive in non-compliance,
or cat-only, or something the insurance industry won't accept or can't afford

None of the detriments will accrue to Don the Con, it'll be someone else's fault

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 05:28 PM

19. Agree.

He's just trying to muddy the waters and draw attention away
from the fact that many will soon be very sick with no real
healthcare options; that many women will have little to no
access to reproductive healthcare; and that many needed
hospitals and clinics will have to close.

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 05:29 PM

20. Always err on the side of distrust and mockery when it comes the usurper.

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Mon Jan 16, 2017, 05:40 PM

21. I just assume that every time his lips are moving, he is lying.

So far I've been correct.

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 06:00 PM

27. It's also not going to work

I know Republicans here and there and they're not buying a word of it. They know their party's history on health care reform is dedicated to sucking the most profit out of it while insuring only the healthiest and dropping them when they get sick.

So this turkey isn't going to fly.

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 06:09 PM

28. I'm curious if anyone believes him

 

if someone believes Trump is going to implement single payer, I'd like to hear from them.

But if there is such a person, I think it's going to take more than telling them "don't be naive". We have to figure out how in the world they came to believe such a thing.

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 07:27 PM

29. "Insurance for all" could mean anything.

 

If the new law says they have to sell you insurance, and they can charge you as much as they like, that woild qualify. In fact, the Republicans might think that was the ideal situation.

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Response to HassleCat (Reply #29)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 11:48 PM

33. Insurance for all, all right

Insurance that's not worth the paper it's written on!

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 11:28 PM

31. And he's going to build a wall THIS high!

Ooooh, it'll be glorious, children!

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 11:36 PM

32. He is a pathological Liar

He is BS con artist but then again he is not a healthy man/child and is suffering from a mental illness.

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Tue Jan 17, 2017, 01:38 AM

34. Kick.

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