Here's My Scenario For What Will Happen If Trump Ever Tries To Use Nukes.

[TrollBuster9090]

First, Kim Jong Un makes fun of Trump. Then Trump decides to nuke North Korea.

He sends for the officer carrying the nuclear football with the radio and launch codes. Tells him to launch nukes.

Instead of doing that, the guy says "Just a minute...." and disappears. He returns an hour later with the head of SAC, the Air Force Chief of Staff, and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and they say:

"Okay, Mr. President. Since nobody in the political world appears to have the guts to tell you that you're a useless piece of shit, with the emotional maturity of a five year old, I guess WE'LL have to do it. We're not going to carry out your order, and we're not going to pay attention to any similar orders in the future. Now you can do one of two things. You can either go crying to your base on twitter that the Generals are being mean to you, and admit that you're just a figure head that nobody in the Pentagon is paying attention to; or we can all just pretend none of this ever happened."

If he does the latter, nobody will ever need to know that America had its first 'military coup,' which actually saved the world. If he does the former, The United States will join a long list of former democratic republics that have experienced military coups. Either way, it's a really bad idea to have Donald Trump as President.

Am I being an optimist to think that Trump will never try to use nukes, or am I an optimist for thinking the U.S. military will disobey him if he does? *Sigh*

[Hoyt]

1. I think, and hope, that is exactly what happens.

[HassleCat]

2. They might launch

Remember Colin Powell? He knew damn well he was lying so Bush could start a bogus war. He did it because he thought it was his duty.

[TrollBuster9090]

3. True, but lying because it's your duty is different from ending the world on the orders of

a childish moron who a hand full of political hacks, with an assist from the Kremlin put into Office.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. There's a precedent for a scenario a bit like this - ironically, involving a Russian.

Vasili Arkhipov may have saved the world.

On 27 October 1962, during the Cuban Missile Crisis, a group of eleven United States Navy destroyers and the aircraft carrier USS Randolph located the diesel-powered nuclear-armed Soviet Foxtrot-class submarine B-59 near Cuba. Despite being in international waters, the Americans started dropping practice signaling depth charges, explosives intended to force the submarine to come to the surface for identification. There had been no contact from Moscow for a number of days and, although the submarine's crew had earlier been picking up U.S. civilian radio broadcasts, once B-59 began attempting to hide from its U.S. Navy pursuers, it was too deep to monitor any radio traffic. Those on board did not know whether war had broken out or not. The captain of the submarine, Valentin Grigorievitch Savitsky, decided that a war might already have started and wanted to launch a nuclear torpedo.

Unlike the other subs in the flotilla, three officers on board the B-59 had to agree unanimously to authorize a nuclear launch: Captain Savitsky, the political officer Ivan Semonovich Maslennikov, and the second-in-command Arkhipov. Typically, Russian submarines armed with the "Special Weapon" only required the captain to get authorization from the political officer to launch a nuclear torpedo. However, due to Arkhipov's position as flotilla commander, the B-59's captain also was required to gain Arkhipov's approval. An argument broke out, with only Arkhipov against the launch.

Even though Arkhipov was only second-in-command of the submarine B-59, he was in fact commander of the entire submarine flotilla, including the B-4, B-36 and B-130, and equal in rank to Captain Savitsky. According to author Edward Wilson, the reputation Arkhipov had gained from his courageous conduct in the previous year's Soviet submarine K-19 incident also helped him prevail. Arkhipov eventually persuaded Savitsky to surface and await orders from Moscow. This effectively averted the nuclear warfare which probably would have ensued if the nuclear weapon had been fired.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_Arkhipov

[TrollBuster9090]

6. Yes, I know about that one. He's one of the most un-sung heroes of humanity. nt

[flamingdem]

7. Gak!

Did not know

[Eliot Rosewater]

5. First, let me say I love your little skit/play here, it is entertaining and funny

and accurate even.

My problem with this is long before he uses a nuclear weapon to "wag the dog" as in taking our attention away from any number of his crimes, he will have put in place a yes man to go along with his order.

Most military people would say no to the lunatic, but some are there who would say yes, he will put one of them in this position.


I am so taken with how you worded this that I brought it to a tiny part of the liberal message board world and shared it with others.

Well done!

[TrollBuster9090]

8. True, and it was Nixon who set the precedent for that with Alexander Haig (and Bork).

At the moment, however, it's hard for a President to move officers IN to certain positions. He can fire them, though. So, he could eventually move loyalist officers into position by firing everybody who's not a loyalist. That would take a bit of time, and hopefully there'd be resistance to this.

[bowens43]

9. if trump says to launch...they will. No doubt about it

[dumbcat]

10. Cool story

but that's not the way it works. There's a lot more to the procedure.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. I can't believe those in charge would allow any president...

I can't believe those in charge would allow any president to use nukes in the absence of an existential threat.

[Jacob Boehme]

12. A-Yup....there's a whole lot more to the procedure.

[Best_man23]

13. Right After Mattes is Confirmed as SecDef

He will call the officer carrying the football into his office and he will tell him or her the following:

"Here is my cellphone number, put it into your speed dial. If the President attempts to use the football and I am not right there, you call me. And there is no hour too late to call me."

During the Watergate years, Nixon's Defense Secretary had given the officer responsible for the football the same sort of direction because Nixon and Johnny Walker were having daily "close discussions."