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NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 05:19 AM Jan 2017

So Hillary Will Attend the Inauguration

And in the doing, she will stand with her head held high, knowing that she was the choice of the people, that her message was embraced by the majority of the citizenry, that her voice (and ours) was heard – and will never be silenced.

More importantly, her attendance will exemplify who she is, and always has been: a woman whose strength of character can never be diminished by a political loss, and whose courage when facing her adversaries can never be erased.

Her presence will serve as a reminder that she never backs down, never gives up, and never forgets who she is, and who she represents.

In other words, Hillary will once again show the world that she is everything Trump is not – and could never hope to be.

I’m good with that.

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So Hillary Will Attend the Inauguration (Original Post) NanceGreggs Jan 2017 OP
I'm with Nance pinboy3niner Jan 2017 #1
While you're right about her determination BainsBane Jan 2017 #2
"She must have a phenomenal level of emotional strength to do that." NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #4
Hillary's strength, courage, and fortitude will be on Cha Jan 2017 #6
Not watching either. NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #9
Not watching, but I know she'l exhibit the strength, courage, and fortitude we know she has. BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #130
Aloha, BlueCali! Cha Jan 2017 #131
It's Friday, isn't it? BainsBane Jan 2017 #12
Sadly, the people who will notice it Bettie Jan 2017 #82
I would boycott but I'm not Hillary. eom LittleGirl Jan 2017 #3
This is how I feel about it, too, Nance. Cha Jan 2017 #5
Well said. NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #7
I just love her and I'm so glad you Cha Jan 2017 #10
if she didn't go the "sore loser" shrill blahblah would start up again uhnope Jan 2017 #8
For as long as she keeps fighting the good fight ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #11
Perfect! Cha Jan 2017 #13
putting personal fandom aside might reveal that that is maybe neither uhnope Jan 2017 #15
She's still our Party's standard bearer and senior spokesperson. George II Jan 2017 #146
Americans need to see the stark contrast in class and dignity. oasis Jan 2017 #14
Who really cares Fearless Jan 2017 #16
Yes, sometimes things are bigger than ourselves. NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #17
+1 Lucinda Jan 2017 #60
"bigger than ourselves" means attending the inauguration even if you'd rather not 7962 Jan 2017 #21
Looks like Bernie is going to attend as well BainsBane Jan 2017 #36
You mean he won't be joining John Lewis and other reps who are boycotting? ehrnst Jan 2017 #53
As of now, zero senators are Bettie Jan 2017 #62
Damn. Just wrote both my senators to tell them I support a boycott. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2017 #69
hmmmm - you did not have this reaction at Hillary attending. Curious ciaobaby Jan 2017 #79
I support the Dems who are not attending, but Hillary has a different role. ehrnst Jan 2017 #118
Who cares what the 'damned if she does, and damned if she doesn't' crowd thinks? ehrnst Jan 2017 #50
And either way, you can make a pithy comment about bernie! dionysus Jan 2017 #72
Well said. ciaobaby Jan 2017 #81
The difference is that Hillary was the candidate running against Trump. Bernie was not. ehrnst Jan 2017 #111
I don't care what those think who have nothing but negative shite Cha Jan 2017 #108
She looks genuinely refreshed and non depressed in the photos. Jim Beard Jan 2017 #18
Why wouldn't she? She doesn't have to have the responsibility of running a superpower dionysus Jan 2017 #78
You said it so much better than I could. Jim Beard Jan 2017 #85
Im getting sick of people treating politicians like their favorite dionysus Jan 2017 #90
This is hilarious nini Jan 2017 #97
nini Cha Jan 2017 #109
I'm so over all this nini Jan 2017 #140
Yes, Bernie will be among those not affected by "identity politics" ehrnst Jan 2017 #113
Whybis everythibg about bernie with you? You're clearly obsessed with the dionysus Jan 2017 #128
Well, all of the passive aggressive bashing of Hillary ehrnst Jan 2017 #133
I hear you. The hero worship of Bernie around here as the 'only' progressive ehrnst Jan 2017 #123
There plenty of people here who'd jump in front of a train for hillary as well... dionysus Jan 2017 #126
And you are there to make comments about how she lives in the lap of luxury. ehrnst Jan 2017 #137
You selectively read my posts, it seems. Yes, hillary, and almost every single dionysus Jan 2017 #141
I read your posts and responded, calling it as I see it. ehrnst Jan 2017 #143
It doesn't strike a nerve, i think the tremendous wealth gap between dionysus Jan 2017 #144
However, we want the highly educated, the highly proficient, ehrnst Jan 2017 #145
Oooh, a "pity" comment at Hillary. She has money. Awful! ehrnst Jan 2017 #112
As far as i know, she earned it fairly, i have no problem with it. dionysus Jan 2017 #125
Your comments on this thread indicate otherwise. ehrnst Jan 2017 #135
Ok; im fairly positive there was no quid pro quo in her highly paid speeches. Better? dionysus Jan 2017 #142
I'm good with that, too. nt lillypaddle Jan 2017 #19
It still disappoints me MFM008 Jan 2017 #20
I'd rather she didn't, Nance bigtree Jan 2017 #22
Completely Agree. Justice Jan 2017 #23
Maybe Hil is going so that she can protest the Inauguration like MLK did at Selma HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #24
Hahahahahaha.... dionysus Jan 2017 #74
At least she isn't dissing John Lewis with faint praise. ehrnst Jan 2017 #114
.... handmade34 Jan 2017 #25
Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #26
Oh look what came out of the woodwork to spew the pervert trump Cha Jan 2017 #28
That was a fun one! (was on jury) betsuni Jan 2017 #32
Good on ya.. Thank you! Cha Jan 2017 #33
MIRT Quackers Jan 2017 #29
I was just wondering how long those stupid Lies were going to be Cha Jan 2017 #31
The Jury did the heavy lifting Brother Buzz Jan 2017 #58
I'm normally with you guys. But not on this one. Solomon Jan 2017 #27
Disagree. OldRedneck Jan 2017 #35
Bullshit. Solomon Jan 2017 #44
I get your anger, I feel it, but this is an opportunity for Obama and Clinton to contrast themselves JHan Jan 2017 #52
Agree. Those that are threatened by Hillary are the ones who want her to disappear. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2017 #66
Because she's a older woman? ehrnst Jan 2017 #65
Attending the inauguration ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #76
Her presence will be a direct contradiction to his promise to "lock her up" or even intimidate her. ehrnst Jan 2017 #122
I hope she's there wearing a screaming pattern of orange and purple. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2017 #56
I know... "she looks strong and refreshed".. the fuck? She lost an election, dionysus Jan 2017 #75
I guess it doesn't occur to some people ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #98
Yep, never even occurs to them.. but they don't hesitate Cha Jan 2017 #107
Yes, this! ehrnst Jan 2017 #120
Noone but her knows how she feels, neither the cynic, nor the people who fawn over dionysus Jan 2017 #124
Were you watching this election? Just curious.... ehrnst Jan 2017 #119
Yes, it was tough, the people running for office work hard at it. They dionysus Jan 2017 #127
Again with the passive aggressive bashing of Hillary because of income. ehrnst Jan 2017 #134
I'm good with that but I'm glad my congressman is not going to be there. milestogo Jan 2017 #30
What do you bet . . . OldRedneck Jan 2017 #34
And, he will be seething.. wanting to tweet something Cha Jan 2017 #37
He'll have plenty of time for his... 3catwoman3 Jan 2017 #41
Oh I read it was going to be "a shorter inaugural because Cha Jan 2017 #42
to start work right away? bdamomma Jan 2017 #48
Yeah, the country can see what they missed out on. Cha Jan 2017 #92
for real cha! bdamomma Jan 2017 #110
Yep - he said his first day at work would be Monday. ehrnst Jan 2017 #138
Not ready on day one or ever Cha Jan 2017 #139
Good on her! Good to see her going. Boycott sounds wonderful...but there's long memory jmg257 Jan 2017 #38
She should stay over and join the Women's March the next day. no_hypocrisy Jan 2017 #39
That would be Cool Cha Jan 2017 #40
I wish she would just quietly "not go" TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #43
It is interesting that she is going HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #54
She would be portrayed as afraid of the guy who promised to "lock her up." ehrnst Jan 2017 #136
Women of a certain age are supposed to disappear. She won't. ehrnst Jan 2017 #45
neither will we disappear bdamomma Jan 2017 #49
I never heard that one before. nt m-lekktor Jan 2017 #59
Here's a good article on it. ehrnst Jan 2017 #64
She has such class and strength of character! mcar Jan 2017 #46
it will be very interesting bdamomma Jan 2017 #47
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2017 #51
I actually don't care who's going to be at the thing I'm never going to watch. Iggo Jan 2017 #55
Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #57
Do you care to expand on that, pandora? The photo is from 2005, it's a social gathering of.... Hekate Jan 2017 #68
If trump won the liquid diamond Jan 2017 #61
I never doubted for a second she'd attend Abq_Sarah Jan 2017 #63
I'm good with that, too, Nance Hekate Jan 2017 #67
And if she didn't attend... brooklynboy49 Jan 2017 #70
It's her call - not mine. NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #71
I'm not "some people", if that's your implication brooklynboy49 Jan 2017 #73
Yes, I'm sure you would. n/t NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #77
Smugness does not become you brooklynboy49 Jan 2017 #83
The fact that you took ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #84
Of course melman Jan 2017 #93
LOL, *ain't* that the truth. (n/t) SMC22307 Jan 2017 #95
I would not attend if I were her Bettie Jan 2017 #80
She is strong. SteamAddict Jan 2017 #86
I'd be good with her choice either way. aikoaiko Jan 2017 #87
"a woman whose strength of character can never be diminished by a political loss" MadDAsHell Jan 2017 #88
Yes, I remember ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #89
Sorry, I shoulda been more specific. I meant the multiple threads in which you denigrated... MadDAsHell Jan 2017 #91
How, exactly, in this historically awful week, could this be any more irrelevent? tavalon Jan 2017 #94
Huh? NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #99
I know this will never happen Phoenix61 Jan 2017 #96
Yeah, it'll never happen ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #100
Paul Ryan was every bit as evil. The way he treated her proved him to be a worthy successor StevieM Jan 2017 #101
Condoning an illegitimate President is what she and others are doing... pbmus Jan 2017 #102
I do not agree with her attending. LenaBaby61 Jan 2017 #103
Anything that she does makes a statement - she chose the statement ehrnst Jan 2017 #115
I can respect why she's doing this DonCoquixote Jan 2017 #104
And if she didn't go ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #105
hillary and bill will stand there proudly knowing DesertFlower Jan 2017 #106
And the cameras will be on them, and they will be standing in defiance of all the "lock her up" ehrnst Jan 2017 #121
I just don't buy it. I think boycotting sends the better message! Joe941 Jan 2017 #116
K&R Gothmog Jan 2017 #117
I am too Nance! radical noodle Jan 2017 #129
It's a lose-lose. trotsky Jan 2017 #132

BainsBane

(53,010 posts)
2. While you're right about her determination
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 05:31 AM
Jan 2017

I can't help but feel disappointed and also concerned for her. He's such a horrible man that treated her so badly. She must have a phenomenal level of emotional strength to do that.

Still, I'm not so secretly hoping she'll change her mind and go hang out with John Lewis instead.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
4. "She must have a phenomenal level of emotional strength to do that."
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 05:42 AM
Jan 2017

And that's the point. And it will not go unnoticed.

Cha

(296,679 posts)
6. Hillary's strength, courage, and fortitude will be on
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 05:52 AM
Jan 2017

full display.

Not watching but will be with her in spirit.. President Obama, too.. and Bill and Michelle.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
9. Not watching either.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 05:56 AM
Jan 2017

No need. I know I will be beautifully represented by the woman who represents ALL of us.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
130. Not watching, but I know she'l exhibit the strength, courage, and fortitude we know she has.
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 11:42 AM
Jan 2017

Aloha, Cha!

Bettie

(16,049 posts)
82. Sadly, the people who will notice it
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 10:19 PM
Jan 2017

are those who already are aware of it.

Trumpkins will simply see it as a "loser" (who won, but never mind that) sucking up to the new emperor.

Cha

(296,679 posts)
5. This is how I feel about it, too, Nance.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 05:45 AM
Jan 2017

Mahalo for saying it so eloquently.

I support the Dems who are not attending but Hillary has a different role. She does represent those who voted for the Democratic Principles of helping people.. not giving tax breaks to billionaires as people lose their healthcare. Not sucking up to Russia because they helped get you elected. Not trying to start a war with China because russia

Hillary has every reason to hold her head high.. she won the popular vote by almost 3 million dollars. She ran an excellent campaign.. I don't care who is saying she didn't.

I think it will actually piss trump off that she is there to remind everyone. I read he has tweets lately still fighting the GE. The trump fans will hiss and seethe and she will remain strong.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
7. Well said.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 05:52 AM
Jan 2017
"I support the Dems who are not attending, but Hillary has a different role."

Same here. She DOES have a different role - and she will play that role to perfection, just as she always has.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
8. if she didn't go the "sore loser" shrill blahblah would start up again
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 05:54 AM
Jan 2017

but she should go back to staying out of the spotlight afterward

oasis

(49,309 posts)
14. Americans need to see the stark contrast in class and dignity.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 06:07 AM
Jan 2017

As soon as the camera pans over the former Presidents and First Ladies seated nearby, there will be a collective awakening by the viewing public.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
16. Who really cares
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 06:17 AM
Jan 2017

If it were me I would join the boycott. Because sometimes things are bigger than ourselves.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
17. Yes, sometimes things are bigger than ourselves.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 06:25 AM
Jan 2017

And sometimes being willing to stand up for those "bigger things" is the best way to demonstrate exactly how important those "bigger things" are.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
21. "bigger than ourselves" means attending the inauguration even if you'd rather not
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 07:04 AM
Jan 2017

As then nations tradition dictates. Putting herself above the fray of others and attending, as a former first lady

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
53. You mean he won't be joining John Lewis and other reps who are boycotting?
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 11:03 AM
Jan 2017

I guess those pesky 'identity politics' just don't support Bernie's efforts to "make change from the inside" of the system. (new slogan from "our revolution&quot



Bettie

(16,049 posts)
62. As of now, zero senators are
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 01:20 PM
Jan 2017

boycotting.

Frankly, I wish all of the Dems would refuse to attend. Just let it be their tiny, sad party.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
118. I support the Dems who are not attending, but Hillary has a different role.
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 10:39 AM
Jan 2017

Hillary was the candidate who opposed Trump, and was the target of many GOP threats which is not the case with Bernie **or any of the other Senators I am disappointed in for attending.***

Bernie has styled himself as the ersatz leader of "progressives" who will be actually working with Trump, so not coming to the inauguration would be a protest of what they will be working with. Not supporting the new boss as it were.

She will not be working with him. Her absence could be construed as being afraid to show her face, and in direct contradiction to Donald's promis to "lock her up" or even intimidate her.

I hope she is there wearing a lens cracking purple and orange ensemble, because she will be on camera.

Unlike the Senators.

Is that clearer?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
50. Who cares what the 'damned if she does, and damned if she doesn't' crowd thinks?
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 10:55 AM
Jan 2017

And if she doesn't show up, so many will say that she was broken, and afraid. If she does, then they will say that she is the "real republican" that so many claimed she was.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
72. And either way, you can make a pithy comment about bernie!
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 10:00 PM
Jan 2017

Bernie is bad cause he didn't boycott.. hillary is strong and wise because she didn't boycott...

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
111. The difference is that Hillary was the candidate running against Trump. Bernie was not.
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 10:16 AM
Jan 2017

Last edited Wed Jan 18, 2017, 10:49 AM - Edit history (1)

For Hillary to face him down is courage, especially since the GOP has threatened to continue investigating her, and Trump has singled her out for abuse.

She will be on camera a lot, in direct contradiction to Trump's claims that he would "Lock her UP!" I hope she wears something garish to pull focus.

Bernie likes to portray himself as being the ersatz leader of "progressives" and as someone who will be a part of a body that will deal directly with the illigitimate administration, to refuse to participate from the start would send a message.

I am disappointed in any Democrat that decides to go to the inauguration.


Is that clearer?

Cha

(296,679 posts)
108. I don't care what those think who have nothing but negative shite
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 05:44 AM
Jan 2017

to say about her.. they don't know her... making up shit about her like they know anything.

MOre brainwashing shit they swallowed.. "real republican"

 

Jim Beard

(2,535 posts)
18. She looks genuinely refreshed and non depressed in the photos.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 06:28 AM
Jan 2017

She really looks rested and I am OK with that.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
78. Why wouldn't she? She doesn't have to have the responsibility of running a superpower
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 10:15 PM
Jan 2017

hanging over her, and she is wealthy beyond imagination... she has the right to enjoy the rest of her life in splendor, she earned it.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
90. Im getting sick of people treating politicians like their favorite
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 12:41 AM
Jan 2017

football team. _____ or else!

____ looks refreshed and recovered... what, did they just go though some kind of life threatening trauma?

They are all filthy rich, with the exception of bernie. Other than him, they can go home and cry on a pile of hundred dollar bills, and when they wake up, sweep the 100s into a fireplace, burn em, and get a new pile for tmmrw. Doesnt mean they don't care about us, just means they'll never fear the consequences of government like we do.

Even bernie, he may not be rich, but i bet his house is paid for, and his lifelong pension and heath care means he can weather the worst of a rethug presidency as well.

People used to say obama fans went too far, seems almost everyone really into a candidate goes too far with hero worship! I'd say manynhillary people on DU take her loss harder than she herself does!

nini

(16,672 posts)
97. This is hilarious
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 03:03 AM
Jan 2017

Talk about fans going too far? You just did exactly what you're accusing others of.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
113. Yes, Bernie will be among those not affected by "identity politics"
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 10:19 AM
Jan 2017

Or worrying about his impending retirement.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
128. Whybis everythibg about bernie with you? You're clearly obsessed with the
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 11:16 AM
Jan 2017

Guy for some reason. Why is that? He's probably the least wealthy.of them, but even he has it better than most people...

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
133. Well, all of the passive aggressive bashing of Hillary
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 11:52 AM
Jan 2017

using Sanders fan talking points just brings it out in me.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
123. I hear you. The hero worship of Bernie around here as the 'only' progressive
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 10:54 AM
Jan 2017

really goes too far.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
126. There plenty of people here who'd jump in front of a train for hillary as well...
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 11:12 AM
Jan 2017

These politicians would get a good chuckle over how many people idolize rhem.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
137. And you are there to make comments about how she lives in the lap of luxury.
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 12:03 PM
Jan 2017

I think Bernie is banking on how many people idolize him.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
141. You selectively read my posts, it seems. Yes, hillary, and almost every single
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 02:02 PM
Jan 2017

politician DOES live in the lap of luxury. That happens when you get paid 200k for an hour long speech. Again, that's fine, i also pointed out that your obsession, bernie, is more well to do than most people as well.

Since i didn't address you personally in any of my posts, i wonder why it struck such a nerve.

I never insinuated that you idolize any rich politicians.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
143. I read your posts and responded, calling it as I see it.
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 04:19 PM
Jan 2017

I never claimed that you said I idolize rich politicians, just that I wondered why all the comments that indicated that her income seemed to strike a nerve with you.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
144. It doesn't strike a nerve, i think the tremendous wealth gap between
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 05:37 PM
Jan 2017

Politicians and rheir constituents means they can never truly relate to working people, ever, if they were born that way, or after a while, if they were not rich at the beginning of their career.

It doesn't mean having money is bad, per se (notice the roosevelts, kennedies, and kerries were not tainted by wealth), it just means they are almost from a different world entirely. That makes it hard for them, if not imlossible, to know what it's like for everybody else. Mot just the money itself, it's being in that bubble. You never drive yourself atound, never go shopping, in cases never truly go out in public (without an entourage of security).

Remember a big thing that sunk papa bush, they tried to humanize him, and threw him out into the public... the poor bastard had never seen a grocery scanner before, he was amazed by the thing... he had no idea what things cost... it made a huge difference. People knew he was so out of touch with the common person, there was no way on earth he could relatw to them

I'm not saying every politician is *that* bad, but it affects them all, in one way or another.

That's where i was going with it.

A different issue that relates to money is, there's also a lot of people who have made a career in government, but it's not to help people or be responsible steward of government...

For some it's as simple as being able to affect their business interests, to make money. Get into power so you can lower your taxes, or deregulate the industry you are a part of (mostly a rethuglican trait)

For others, it could be personal ambition, or ego driven. Some people view life as a meritocracy; you are only as good as the highest rung on the ladder you stand on. They like trappings of government, the respect it commands (this could be any party). This may even have benevolent intentions. Even if you're a good guy, it takes a HELL of a lot of ego to think that you are, above all other Americans, best suited to lead the country. That's elitist by nature. There are some, not many but some, people who are solely in the game to serve the interests of the nation, but they become rarer and rarer the higher you go in government.

The worst ones, IMHO; once you've gotten to a certain level of wealth, there is only on thing that trumps money, and that is power. The power trippers who get off on ruling peoples lives, telling them what they can and can't do. Imagine the power they feel, when they can limit the reproductive choices of women, or tell people who they can or can't marry! There's nothing better than that to them, having concrete control of people's actions in such a personal issue.

That whole second half of the post has nothing to do with what we were talking about but i got on a roll typing, my bad

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
145. However, we want the highly educated, the highly proficient,
Thu Jan 19, 2017, 08:34 AM
Jan 2017

the people with actual ability to work with others, in groups, and be able to sit at the table, unintimidated and equal with the most powerful business interests working for us in government. (Trump is not one of those people - I truly believe that had he not been born wealthy, he would be dead or in jail with other mob members)

Many of those people go on to have successful careers, which give them experience in working with others.

My spouse's father was in politics, a mayor of a mid-sized city. We both came to the conclusion that the majority of political office work is management. You bring laws up to date with where people are, and you keep the wheels turning. If you can't do that, all the vision and charisma in the world won't bring you up to the task. That management takes experience in bringing people together, and many of those people go into business. And yes, it does take ego. Female politicians are hammered for saying that they are good leaders, but praised for saying things like, "Well, I saw so many things going wrong, and I just had to try to do something about it." I saw a lot of that hammering this election

Paul Wellstone came into politics from academics (my father in law knew and worked with Paul on a few conservation issues), but he would still be considered by many to be an ivory tower academic elite.

I don't agree that a 'certain level of wealth' turns you into a craven powermonger automatically, any more than not having a lot of wealth somehow makes you a more trustworthy or effective politician.







 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
135. Your comments on this thread indicate otherwise.
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 11:58 AM
Jan 2017

Including the passive aggressive qualifier "so far as I know..."

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
142. Ok; im fairly positive there was no quid pro quo in her highly paid speeches. Better?
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 02:04 PM
Jan 2017

I don't think she has anything to gain from goldman sachs

bigtree

(85,970 posts)
22. I'd rather she didn't, Nance
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 07:21 AM
Jan 2017

...but I do think she's probably wise to not let her individual actions detract from the rest of the opposition and resistance. It isn't about Hillary versus Trump, anymore.

We got this.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
114. At least she isn't dissing John Lewis with faint praise.
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 10:22 AM
Jan 2017

And being the one to declare when John Lewis and Corey Booker are "right" as though his approval bestows that definition...

Response to NanceGreggs (Original post)

betsuni

(25,348 posts)
32. That was a fun one! (was on jury)
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 08:15 AM
Jan 2017

This was new to me, the fantasy about a drunken rage and throwing "a bottle of $9K wine at a TV screen and destroying a fancy cake." A FANCY CAKE. These nuts are making me thirsty.

Cha

(296,679 posts)
31. I was just wondering how long those stupid Lies were going to be
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 08:13 AM
Jan 2017

up.. like they came from the idiot trump's mouth himself.

Solomon

(12,310 posts)
27. I'm normally with you guys. But not on this one.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 07:53 AM
Jan 2017

I don't see how going is exhibiting emotional strength, etc. blah blah blah. Seems like a signal that she's buckled under to this asshole, no different than the fickle republicans who started off fighting Trump only to cave under and take their place as wimps. Sorry. That's the way I see it and I was one of her biggest supporters. You all can spin this into something fabulous, but I ain't buying it. The man is still saying degrading things about her and the message is, as always, he can say and do whatever the hell he wants to and everyone still sucks his ass.

 

OldRedneck

(1,397 posts)
35. Disagree.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 08:27 AM
Jan 2017

Her attendance is an act of class and grace . . . two important personal qualities completely lacking in The Trumpster.

She's attending with her husband, a former President

Solomon

(12,310 posts)
44. Bullshit.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 10:00 AM
Jan 2017

She has to prove she has class and grace? She should be careful to not look like a groveler.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
52. I get your anger, I feel it, but this is an opportunity for Obama and Clinton to contrast themselves
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 11:00 AM
Jan 2017

against the PeeStain about to take the Oval Office.

I hope she whispers in his ear that she won the pop. vote.

Once President, Trump won't know what hit him and he will be embarrassed bigly - it's only a matter of time. His inauguration might well turn out to be the worst day of his life.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
65. Because she's a older woman?
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 02:41 PM
Jan 2017

She has grace and class - do you think that standing up tall instead of hiding away is the opposite of that?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
122. Her presence will be a direct contradiction to his promise to "lock her up" or even intimidate her.
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 10:51 AM
Jan 2017

How is that groveling?

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
75. I know... "she looks strong and refreshed".. the fuck? She lost an election,
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 10:12 PM
Jan 2017

not just beat a terminal disease... for christs sake with the melodrama, she is going home to tens of millions of dollars in the bank, a life of luxury none of us here could even dream of... you got people here who have sobbed over her loss, even she, having lost the election herself, doesn't feel that bad over it!

It's not like she was joan or arc and got burned at the stake here, or was hurled into the pits of mordor upon losing.....she will live out the rest of her life in the lap of luxury!

I garauntee you she herself would laugh her ass off at all the people here all like "zomg she's so strong, going there so soon!"

Ai ai ai....

(And no, i don't begrudge her her fortune at all, she's earned it fair and square. Just let us not act like she went through some traumatizing, horrible event)

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
98. I guess it doesn't occur to some people ...
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 03:14 AM
Jan 2017

... that having "millions in the bank" is not the be-all and end-all for everyone. There are those who put service to others ahead of how much money they have, those who think living a productive life is more important than "living a life of luxury".

"Even she, having lost the election herself, doesn't feel that bad over it!"

How do you know how she feels about anything? Do you honestly think that after an exhausting campaign, having to deal with the GOP, the endless "investigations", the fake news, the false accusations, the ridicule, the constant criticism - all while preparing herself for the most important job on the planet - and then losing to a moron who has absolutely NO intention of doing what's right for the country and its citizens, she just figured, "Oh, la-dee-da, I'll just go home and count my money"?

If Hillary was content with "living in the lap of luxury", she could have been doing so for many, many years now. But she put up with everything she just went through in order to pursue something far more important than lounging around the pool, sipping champagne and flipping through fashion magazines.

Thank God for people like her, who see service to their country as a worthwhile endeavour, without regard to how much money they may or may not have.



Cha

(296,679 posts)
107. Yep, never even occurs to them.. but they don't hesitate
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 05:38 AM
Jan 2017

to write their own script about how Hillary is feeling about the election.

Thank you for so eloquently putting that piece of fiction to rest.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
124. Noone but her knows how she feels, neither the cynic, nor the people who fawn over
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 11:10 AM
Jan 2017

over politicians.

It's merely my observation that a lot of people on here get wayyy too attached to their favorite politicians, whoever they may be. That goes for pwoplw who idolize bernie, too.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
119. Were you watching this election? Just curious....
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 10:45 AM
Jan 2017

It was incredibly contentious, and the foundation was dragged through the mud that other SOS were not, for no real reason - except she was the Democratic candidate.

And the pity comments about "lap of luxury" and "Splendor" aren't negated by your comment about "not begrudging here her fortune."

Sort of like saying "Bless her heart" doesn't negate a southern insult....

Ai ai ai....

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
127. Yes, it was tough, the people running for office work hard at it. They
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 11:15 AM
Jan 2017

also line in a vastly different world then we do. Nearly everyone in a higher office is a multimillionaire, they have it way better than most people.

 

OldRedneck

(1,397 posts)
34. What do you bet . . .
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 08:25 AM
Jan 2017

Hillary will get as much camera time as The Trumpster!!!!!
And a LOT more applause.

Cha

(296,679 posts)
37. And, he will be seething.. wanting to tweet something
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 08:33 AM
Jan 2017

awful while he's suppose to be getting sworn in.

Hillary's getting all the attention!

Something he thought of..

3catwoman3

(23,931 posts)
41. He'll have plenty of time for his...
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 09:24 AM
Jan 2017

...middle of the night Twitterstorm over the weekend, seeing as he is not planning to start "work" until Monday.

Cha

(296,679 posts)
42. Oh I read it was going to be "a shorter inaugural because
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 09:27 AM
Jan 2017

he wants to start work right away".. Bullshit.. they're so full of it.

bdamomma

(63,773 posts)
48. to start work right away?
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 10:40 AM
Jan 2017

to dismantle our democracy. I hate tRump.

you know she should go, she will show how much more of person she is than that stupid jerk, you see how he cancelled going to African-American Museum for Martin Luther King Day.

What did Michelle say, when they go low we go high!!!!!

bdamomma

(63,773 posts)
110. for real cha!
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 07:44 AM
Jan 2017

not to play the gender card but if a woman was in we wouldn't be having these problems right now, and the rest of the world would be breathing a sigh of relief.............damn

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
38. Good on her! Good to see her going. Boycott sounds wonderful...but there's long memory
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 09:13 AM
Jan 2017

in Washington.

When no repubs show up in 2020 for the new Democrat president, the spiral into national divide will just continue.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,167 posts)
43. I wish she would just quietly "not go"
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 09:36 AM
Jan 2017

No comment, no explanation. just sit this one out.

The fewer that show up, the better.

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
54. It is interesting that she is going
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 11:03 AM
Jan 2017

Has she been attending events in general, anything for MLK day for example? You cannot protest by just not showing up. MLK did not stay home for Selma.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
136. She would be portrayed as afraid of the guy who promised to "lock her up."
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 12:01 PM
Jan 2017

If she's there and on camera, she's directly contradicting him.

He tried to portray her as "needing to heal" and he would have some pity on her - and her being there will demonstrate that she doesn't need any pity.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
45. Women of a certain age are supposed to disappear. She won't.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 10:02 AM
Jan 2017

No matter how many shriek (including those on the left) for her to.

Response to NanceGreggs (Original post)

Iggo

(47,533 posts)
55. I actually don't care who's going to be at the thing I'm never going to watch.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 11:04 AM
Jan 2017

Go.

Don't go.

I don't give a fuck.

Response to NanceGreggs (Original post)

Hekate

(90,495 posts)
68. Do you care to expand on that, pandora? The photo is from 2005, it's a social gathering of....
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 02:57 PM
Jan 2017

....prominent people, the Clintons were and are engaged in a charity that depends on the goodwill and financial support of the powerful and wealthy -- so they accepted the invite. There's also a photo of Bill at a charity golf tournament lined up with some folks Dems don't like either. Certain people tried to make a stink over that, too, during the primaries.

So what is your beef, or is this just a hit and run?

 

liquid diamond

(1,917 posts)
61. If trump won the
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 01:12 PM
Jan 2017

election fairly, I would support Hillary's choice to attend. However, that bastard "won" by Russian interference and FBI corruption. He is not a legit president. Rep Lewis is exactly right for refusing to attend this shit show.

Abq_Sarah

(2,883 posts)
63. I never doubted for a second she'd attend
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 01:37 PM
Jan 2017

As a former First Lady, she understands her responsibilities and will always stand in support of the peaceful transition of power, even if it's being transferred to an idiot. It's about respect for the process, not the man.

 

brooklynboy49

(287 posts)
70. And if she didn't attend...
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 09:48 PM
Jan 2017

You'd be singing her praises for her courage in not serving to legitimize his presidency.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
71. It's her call - not mine.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 09:54 PM
Jan 2017

And I've no doubt a lot of thought went into her decision.

Of course, some people will condemn her for attending - and they are no doubt the same people who would condemn her had she chosen NOT to attend.

See how THAT works?

 

brooklynboy49

(287 posts)
73. I'm not "some people", if that's your implication
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 10:01 PM
Jan 2017

I don't "condemn" her for attending, but I do believe she's making a mistake. And had she decided not to attend, I would have applauded her for having the courage to make that decision.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
93. Of course
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 01:26 AM
Jan 2017

We'd be treated to a (very) long OP about what a wonderful and courageous decision that was.

And you'd have the same people reccing and +oneing

Bettie

(16,049 posts)
80. I would not attend if I were her
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 10:18 PM
Jan 2017

but she must make her own decision.

The Oompa Loompa from the Orange Lagoon will probably do or say something to try to ridicule her, but given his third grade verbal skills, it won't have a lot of impact on anyone but the people who already hang on his every word.

SteamAddict

(53 posts)
86. She is strong.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 11:06 PM
Jan 2017

And will face this illegitimate Putin puppet. And I am pretty sure she will be on the front line when it comes to putting this guy away.

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
88. "a woman whose strength of character can never be diminished by a political loss"
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 11:16 PM
Jan 2017

Uh, you remember your posts about her while she was losing the 08 primaries, right?

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
89. Yes, I remember ...
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 12:39 AM
Jan 2017

... that my post praising HRC's concession speech was at the top of the Greatest Page all day. It was about her poise and grace, her ability to put her political loss behind her, as well as lauding her determination to support Obama and campaign for him tirelessly - which she did.

The post got hundreds of recs, as posters added their kudos to a great lady - HRC and Obama supporters alike.

Thanks for the reminder of a time when DUers came together behind the Dem candidate, along with putting aside their differences in order to recognize Hillary's unwavering support for her Party at a time when her personal loss was most keenly felt.

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
91. Sorry, I shoulda been more specific. I meant the multiple threads in which you denigrated...
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 12:57 AM
Jan 2017

her character for nothing more than not being "historic" enough of a candidate for you.

But those threads never happened right?

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
94. How, exactly, in this historically awful week, could this be any more irrelevent?
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 01:32 AM
Jan 2017

I would really encourage you to take another look at your priorities. I mean really.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
99. Huh?
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 03:28 AM
Jan 2017

I "denigrated her character for nothing more than not being "historic" enough of a candidate for you"?

What is that even supposed to mean?

Phoenix61

(16,990 posts)
96. I know this will never happen
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 02:47 AM
Jan 2017

I know it shouldn't happen but... Man would I love to see Bill sucker punch Trump and tell him ""That's what you get for being such a douche to my wife" What can I say?

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
101. Paul Ryan was every bit as evil. The way he treated her proved him to be a worthy successor
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 03:32 AM
Jan 2017

to Joe McCarthy.

pbmus

(12,422 posts)
102. Condoning an illegitimate President is what she and others are doing...
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 03:54 AM
Jan 2017

I do not agree with her attending.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
115. Anything that she does makes a statement - she chose the statement
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 10:24 AM
Jan 2017

that she is not afraid, not hiding - because that is what the perception of her not attending is.

If she was a Senator, or in Congress, then that would be a protest, because representatives will need deal with him as president.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
104. I can respect why she's doing this
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 04:08 AM
Jan 2017

but I'll be very blunt and very honest; the fact that she showed up to this will be shown as a sign of submission, which we know is the one thing that Trump and all his chumps, lumps and stumps want. Come on, you know damn well that an army of goons stands ready with crude GIFS, and chest beating essays. Even the people who are claiming to have buyers remorse, and crying crocodile tears, so that in 2018 and 2020 we will "finally listen to them" and send women and minorities back to the back of the bus, will start penning some sort of missive on how great it felt to see Trump take the oath. Yes, so many of these white males, and the white females who love them, despite the sex jokes and lower pay, will pen all sorts of missives and how good it felt to see Hillary humbled. Oh yes, Hillary will be portrayed as the Dragon that Trump slayed, and made to humble herself before him. And of course, this will also be a way to attack Obama, and all these people, especially the ones that said they were Democrats, will use it as a way of saying "Trump one because he listened to us" and then those that are not even trying to pretend to be polite will get into some course of " ding dong the witch is dead" ball finding some way to throw in some racial epithet about Obama.

Like I said, I know Hillary is trying to appeal to the better angels of the nation, to go high where she knows trouble go low. And Trump will go low; it's only a matter of whether he has the guts to do it himself or just uses Ted Nugent to do it. However, the fact is as long as we focus so much on showing polite examples, we will get our face slapped again, because in America, if you have enough money, virtue means nothing.

Go ahead and show up Hillary, but could you bring along James Carville, or even your husband? No, on second thought don't do that, because even though Bill or James Carville could reduce foxhole things were farce with about five seconds of microphone time the last thing I want is for some fog to have an excuse. Hell, I would not put it past Trump at all to make up some bogus grounds for resting the Clintons right there, as if it was the ultimate episode of the apprentice. Don't laugh you know Fox News to be popping champagne and that Steve Bannon would be providing the thugs to make sure that the Clintons had as much chance to survive police custody as the sort of African-American males whose murderers inspired the whole black lives matter movement!

01 PS about said movement: a lot of people that were so ready to defend the cops, and so ready to defend the gunman like the likes of George Zimmerman might find out that to the rich their lives don't matter that much either. I do hope I am wrong, but if all the sudden the police get a bit more emboldened, some people in the back are going to be saying "how does it feel, to be on your own, a complete unknown, like a Rolling Stone." There's got to be a lot of stones rolling in the next four years.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
105. And if she didn't go ...
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 04:17 AM
Jan 2017

... those same people would say she had been "humbled into submission", and was too humiliated to show her face.

This is really a fool's game. People are going to say what they're going to say, whether she attends or not. Either way, it will be twisted into something disparaging by her adversaries.

I'm sure she put a lot of thought into what the best course of action is. It's her call, and I respect her ability to make that call.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
121. And the cameras will be on them, and they will be standing in defiance of all the "lock her up"
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 10:48 AM
Jan 2017

calls...

 

Joe941

(2,848 posts)
116. I just don't buy it. I think boycotting sends the better message!
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 10:25 AM
Jan 2017

So if attending says all that about her what does boycotting it say?

radical noodle

(7,996 posts)
129. I am too Nance!
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 11:17 AM
Jan 2017

Brilliant OP! I've been thinking similar thoughts but hadn't the skill to put it into words the way you did.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
132. It's a lose-lose.
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 11:51 AM
Jan 2017

By showing up, she's validating the orange moron.

If she skips, it's "sour grapes."

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