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kpete

(71,957 posts)
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 09:50 AM Jan 2017

John Dean, one of the key figures in Watergate, has had literal nightmares about Trump's presidency.

“The American presidency has never been at the whims of an authoritarian personality like Donald Trump,” Dean, who is now 78, told me. “He is going to test our democracy as it has never been tested.”

With Trump preparing to take the oath of office this week, some of his more imaginative critics foresee a Nixonian demise on the horizon—the corrupt commander-in-chief felled by his own hubris, forced out of office. But if prophesies of impeachment seem a tad dramatic, Dean’s own forecast for the next four years is arguably much grimmer. He is not only convinced that Trump will be worse than Nixon in virtually every way—he thinks he’ll probably get away with it.

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“I used to have one-on-one conversations with [Nixon] where I’d see him checking his more authoritarian tendencies,” Dean recalled. “He’d say, ‘This is something I can’t say out loud...’ or, ‘That is something the president can’t do.’” To Dean, these moments suggested a functioning sense of shame in Nixon, something he was forced to wrestle with in his quest for power. Trump, by contrast, appears to Dean unmolested by any such struggle.

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......Dean says Trump will almost certainly weather whatever storms he faces during his presidency. “Unless Trump is a such a disaster that the public rises up and changes control of Congress in the mid-term elections, he is very safe.”

Dean is less sure, however, of how the republic will look at the end of a Trump presidency. “By nature, I am an optimist,” he told me. “But Trump as president is going to be about surviving disaster.”






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John Dean, one of the key figures in Watergate, has had literal nightmares about Trump's presidency. (Original Post) kpete Jan 2017 OP
The big question I have is what will the military folk will do when he does a Baitball Blogger Jan 2017 #1
Excellent post DK504 Jan 2017 #2
Military coup? Absolutely not. That in itself would be the end of us. It has to be a civilian .... Hekate Jan 2017 #7
Yes, I agree. mountain grammy Jan 2017 #13
I can't support a military coup tavalon Jan 2017 #11
too many in the military are brainwashed by the kind of BS that Trump and his team believe Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #4
I have nightmares too Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #3
My feelings, too. MBS Jan 2017 #10
Started reading his book "Conservatives Without Conscience" yesterday. spedtr90 Jan 2017 #5
Dean got the information on RW authoritarians from Professor octoberlib Jan 2017 #6
Thank you for that link. mountain grammy Jan 2017 #12
Thank you! spedtr90 Jan 2017 #15
Trump and company will make Nixon's White House seem like childs play book_worm Jan 2017 #8
I rewatched American Experience episode on Nixon LeftInTX Jan 2017 #9
K&R!!!!!! burrowowl Jan 2017 #14

Baitball Blogger

(46,676 posts)
1. The big question I have is what will the military folk will do when he does a
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 11:15 AM
Jan 2017

Bush II Redux and takes us into a war that could have been avoided. It will probably be a war that is started by a false flag. But this time around we should see it coming. I just wonder if our military men and women will finally wake up and realize how badly they read the political map in the U.S.A.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
2. Excellent post
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 12:46 PM
Jan 2017

Will we have to have a military coup to stop this maniac? I don't know how I feel about that. Would they have a new election? Would they wait for 4 years, with this Congress?

Hekate

(90,538 posts)
7. Military coup? Absolutely not. That in itself would be the end of us. It has to be a civilian ....
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 08:06 PM
Jan 2017

...solution: it has to come from Congress.

It boggles the mind that so many who are opposed to this impending "strongman" government are themselves looking for a "strongman" to rescue them. That's not a road you can travel down to save democracy.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
11. I can't support a military coup
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 12:22 AM
Jan 2017

Maybe a military stand down. But we go military coup and the American experiment is over and failed.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
4. too many in the military are brainwashed by the kind of BS that Trump and his team believe
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 12:49 PM
Jan 2017

but I think most of them are sane, and they have to be rational and realistic.

I have no idea what will happen.

My huge worry is a major terror attack that they will use to justify horrific shit here and abroad.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
3. I have nightmares too
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 12:47 PM
Jan 2017

I had a bad feeling about Bush in 2000, and he turned out to be quite bad. I had a pretty good feeling about Obama in 2008 and he turned out well as president.

I have a terrible feeling about Trump.

spedtr90

(719 posts)
5. Started reading his book "Conservatives Without Conscience" yesterday.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 12:53 PM
Jan 2017

Really wish I'd read it when it was published in 2006. It was a bestseller then. It needs to be again.

I admire him immensely for his courage in speaking out over the years despite the vicious smear campaign against him that started in 1991.

From the book:

...information about the dispositions of right-wing authoritarians. Here are a few examples that provide further perspective. These have not been deliberately isolated as negative characteristics; rather, they are traits that authoritarians believe to be positive.

* They travel in tight circles of like-minded people.

* Their thinking is more likely based on what authorities have told them rather than on their own critical judgment, which results in their beliefs being filled with inconsistencies.

* They harbor numerous double standards and hypocrisies.

* They are hostile toward so many minorities they seem to be equal-opportunity bigots, yet they are generally unaware of their prejudices.

* They see the world as a dangerous place, with society teetering on the brink of self-destruction from evil and violence, and when their fear conflates with their self-righteousness, they appoint themselves guardians of public morality, or God's Designated Hitters.

* They think of themselves as far more moral and upstanding than others-a self-deception aided by their religiosity (many are "born again&quot and their ability to "evaporate guilt" (such as by going to confession).

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
6. Dean got the information on RW authoritarians from Professor
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 07:16 PM
Jan 2017

Bob Altemeyer, who's researched the subject for over 20 years. Altemeyer wrote a book on the subject that I highly recommend. It's available for free here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxxylK6fR81rckQxWi1hVFFRUDg/view





If it turns out you do not like this book, blame John

Dean. You never would have heard of my research if

he had not recently plowed through my studies, trying

to understand, first, various people he knew in the

Nixon White House, and then some leading figures of

the Republican Party of 2004. John Dean is quite a

guy. I think I offended him once by addressing him as

AHonest John,@ which I meant in the sense of AHonest

Abe.@ John strikes one with his candor and openness. I

treasure his friendship as much as I treasure his

unfailing help. Some of his closest friends, I have discovered, go back to his high

school days. I think that says a lot about a person, especially given what John went

through in the 1970s. The former counsel to the president@ has campaigned endlessly

on behalf of my research, making it known wherever he could. This book was his

idea, and you would not be reading it if he had not kept "bringing me up on the stage"

with him as he talked about his Conservatives Without Conscience.


Professor Altemeyer's website: http://theauthoritarians.org/

Democratic strategists have used his work to try to understand the RW mindset.

LeftInTX

(25,106 posts)
9. I rewatched American Experience episode on Nixon
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 09:57 PM
Jan 2017

And I agree. Nixon seemed like a gentleman compared to Trump. But I think Bush was worse than Nixon. Both are creatures of their times. Nixon had Vietnam and the draft. Bush lied us into war and was able to sanitize the whole thing by using the National Guard along with numerous re-deployments.

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