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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI'll Say It...I Believe DT Is A Traitor To His, Our, Country
After this mornings news and revelations, it can no longer be ignored, dismissed or pushed aside. The leader of Russia makes accusations against our President (still) and our intelligence agencies and what does the Puppet do? He tweets about John Lewis. He consistently sides with, not just the leader of any country, but the head of Russia. He is a danger to our country and safety.
triron
(21,914 posts)It must keep being said so no one is lulled into believing otherwise.
TheBlackAdder
(28,070 posts)DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)and knows how to manipulate people.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)However as I watch the goings on I notice everyone carefully avoiding saying, out loud, exactly that.
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)You're stuck with Trump and the national and international consequences of his election. It's a done deal. If you move on him, his supporters will go berserk, and the GOP will refuse to contemplate impeachment. If you don't move on him, his supporters will go berserk when he fails to deliver. Your relations with Europe and China are toast.
Putin is the fox, America is the henhouse, and Trump was the key to the door. You've been royally rolled, but the consequences will only become clear over the next 4 years. This is a nightmare.
Ligyron
(7,592 posts)We're screwed here.
50 Shades Of Blue
(9,771 posts)radical noodle
(7,990 posts)He's in bed with them. I don't necessarily think it's due to sex tapes. I'm inclined to believe it may be about money.
I noticed this in the transcript of his interview with the New York Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/23/us/politics/trump-new-york-times-interview-transcript.html?_r=0
It seems to me that Trump's type of lies have a pattern. Why would he bring up leverage and say he was under-levered and that banks want to loan him money? It could be self-important bullshit but I think it was a lie to divert attention from the real reason he can't sell his assets. He owes a great deal of money and some of it to someone important in Russia who is holding it over his head.
thegoose
(3,115 posts)Word salad and constant self-aggrandizement. Just want to puke.
radical noodle
(7,990 posts)murielm99
(30,656 posts)This is not about sex, even sex with underage boys or girls, or peepee tapes. He does not care about any of that. Money and being a billionaire are what makes him a man, at least in his eyes.
He has not released his tax returns because he is no billionaire. He is most certainly flat broke, and it would unman him to have people know about it.
He does not owe banks alone. I think he is in hock up to his eyeballs with all sorts of sleazy types. I think he is in hock to Russian oligarchs, international criminals and every type of scum one can think about.
He thinks that he is untouchable. He is Donald Trump. He thinks he can borrow from anyone and get away with it. Let's see what comes out. And let's pray that he does not get desperate enough to blow up the entire world rather than face embarrassment.
radical noodle
(7,990 posts)That's what I've been thinking for months. I think he owes way more than he owns.
He is definitely a traitor.
As is Comey (show I believe was FULLY complicit and Fully in on the collusion with Russia)
Mamafort and Bannon, as well. Knowingly.
And McConnell, unwittingly.
All should be arrested and tried.
onenote
(42,374 posts)As has been pointed out numerous times here.
DK504
(3,847 posts)the emoluments clause on day one.
onenote
(42,374 posts)Although I'm not optimistic that it will go anywhere. For one thing, as a Senator, she can't introduce such a resolution (impeachment is handled by the House; only after the House impeaches does the Senate get involved).
But it will be good for her to shine a spotlight on the issue however she can.
iluvtennis
(19,756 posts)...asked back in September. #resist the #TraitorTrump and his gang of #GOPThugs
world wide wally
(21,718 posts)"We never saw anything this drastic coming"
Bet me
vlyons
(10,252 posts)My other name for him is Criminal in Chief.
Chakaconcarne
(2,387 posts)Anyone that can sit idly by and allow Russian influence on our democracy is in fact a traitor.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Until we have a critical mass of that thought, then we will see justice.
Keep pushing this. Pretty soon the GOP itself will start realizing that if they cling to him, they're gonna go down with him. They have indeed reached that moment of - well, let's just call it "enlightened self-interest" - before. One time in particular was led by none other than Barry Goldwater, when Watergate was heating up to the boiling point:
They finally had to do something about Nixon, even while they weren't in the majority. Still required GOP support and they eventually reached a point where they could not face their constituents OR themselves in the bathroom mirror in the morning and try to keep their guy propped up. It was a small group of Republicans who finally came to him and urged him to resign because otherwise he faced certain impeachment.
Sen. Barry Goldwater, Ariz., the 1964 GOP presidential nominee, was a respected conservative leader in a Senate whose Republican ranks were less conservative than now. On Aug. 6, 1974, at the regular Senate Republican Conference lunch, Goldwater fumed: "There are only so many lies you can take, and now there has been one too many. Nixon should get his ass out of the White House -- today!"
Goldwater called William Timmons, a White House aide, to set up a meeting. He told Timmons he wanted to tell the president that many GOP senators wanted him to resign.
Nixon agreed to see Goldwater on the following day. But he insisted that the top GOP congressional leaders accompany him. So Goldwater arrived with Sen. Hugh Scott, Pa., the minority leader, while Scott's House counterpart, Rep. John Rhodes, Ariz., came separately.
http://www.politico.com/story/2007/02/when-the-gop-torpedoed-nixon-002680
It CAN happen. If the CONS think they're in trouble, that "bigly", because of trump, they'll flush him. Public outrage just has to boil over, so that it starts getting on them as though deposited by a projectile-vomiting infant. Look what's happening already. They're already starting to run for the hills because of the avalanche of citizen support FOR the ACA, the "dreaded" "Obamacare," and AGAINST their stated and oft-repeated vow to get rid of it. Look what happened when those assholes in the House tried at night, behind closed doors, in secret, the night before the new session of Congress opened, to get rid of the House's independent ethics watchdogs. That blew up in their faces, too, and they were forced - literally SHAMED (oddly enough, by trump among others) - into reversing what they did.
The Hundredth monkey effect, so to speak
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundredth_monkey_effect
Initech
(99,912 posts)Putin is a mad man, and he must be stopped. Trump lifting Russian sanctions and provoking China would basically trigger World War 3. And that's a scary thought.
Texin
(2,585 posts)is the fact that this seems just absolutely fine with the rethugs in Congress and the roughly 35% of rethug loyalists who would never dream of voting for or supporting ANYONE other than a rethuglican for office. Seriously, they could put Hitler, Stalin and Caligula on the rethug ticket and their voters would break their ankles trying to get to the polls to vote for the guys.
I've always known this about this group of people, but I've never actually seen such breathtaking audacity by them in their naked, unapologetic support of such a clear and present danger to the sovereignty and security of this country. To say that no Democrat would be or would ever have been given such quarter to say and do such audacious things is an understatement of epic proportion.
At this point, I am fully expecting that US intel community and perhaps other joint security groups, such as MI6, Mossad, etc. will be joining forces and perhaps planning an "incident" that will "neutralize" him (hopefully, forever). I would have no problem with that whatsoever.
GoneOffShore
(17,309 posts)Along with #nonewnazis , #noquislings
CrispyQ
(36,225 posts)The Democratic Party is derelict if they don't come out in a unified voice & call this an illegitimate election. But I don't expect that from the play nice party.
N_E_1 for Tennis
(9,593 posts)tclambert
(11,080 posts)Your motherland? Nyet. Motherland of Vlad? Da. Konechno.
bdamomma
(63,652 posts)and Senators and tell them they enemies of the state.
meow2u3
(24,743 posts)#QueasyQuisling
#TangerineTyrant
#PutinsPuppet
madokie
(51,076 posts)Lady_Chat
(561 posts)Hillary sure got that right.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Ligyron
(7,592 posts)If he were clever he'd say bad things about him in public to throw off suspicion.
I think the sex thing is fun to poke at him with but a distraction. It's about the money - it always is.
That, and I think they're both White Supremists with a common vision of how the world should be, like many of Trump's supporters.
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)In order to destabilize the American political system.
At the moment, Putin looks like the cleverest man in the room - far smarter, deeper and more devious than most here are giving him credit for.
dalton99a
(81,065 posts)GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)If the US is disorganized, distracted, unstable and chaotic, they can't intervene effectively against any of Putin's moves toward Europe, the 'stans, Turkey, the Middle East and the Baltic states. That means Putin is effectively stronger - Russia then becomes an undisputed regional hegemon.
llmart
(15,499 posts)As we would say in the '60's
You are 100% correct. This is serious shit and while we're poking fun at the golden showers info, trump will destroy our country and Putin will take us back to the cold war years.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)liberalla
(9,165 posts)what an ambitious and audacious plan he put in motion... and what a successful result...
he's the big winner in all this... could it have turned out any better for him?
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)ailsagirl
(22,837 posts)not a damn thing is being done about it
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)cells to rub together doesn't know that.
Me.
(35,454 posts)How many of us here saw what was coming but still couldn't get people to believe it?
doc03
(35,148 posts)Kudos to John Lewis for coming as close to saying it as anybody in his position has
ananda
(28,782 posts)It's a fact.
nolabear
(41,915 posts)dalton99a
(81,065 posts)bdamomma
(63,652 posts)how Putin is coming to his defense all the time. These guys are in cahoots with each other, it can't be any plainer.
They are best buds.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)K&R though.
Raster
(20,996 posts)...Acting for the benefit of Vladimir Putin and Russia, at the behest of Vladimir Putin and Russia.
This shit is NOT funny anymore!