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Me.

(35,454 posts)
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 12:37 PM Jan 2017

I'll Say It...I Believe DT Is A Traitor To His, Our, Country

After this morning’s news and revelations, it can no longer be ignored, dismissed or pushed aside. The leader of Russia makes accusations against our President (still) and our intelligence agencies and what does the Puppet do? He tweets about John Lewis. He consistently sides with, not just the leader of any country, but the head of Russia. He is a danger to our country and safety.

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I'll Say It...I Believe DT Is A Traitor To His, Our, Country (Original Post) Me. Jan 2017 OP
I join you. triron Jan 2017 #1
Thank You Me. Jan 2017 #2
Kick 2naSalit Jan 2017 #3
And... 2naSalit Jan 2017 #4
Rec. 2naSalit Jan 2017 #5
I believe that he is a Russian asset, and his support of Putin is traitorous to many a thing. TheBlackAdder Jan 2017 #6
putin has worked him. he was head of the KGB DesertFlower Jan 2017 #61
You're so right, but it's not like you're goin' out on a limb with that one! haha! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #7
True Me. Jan 2017 #15
Putin has successfully executed what is called a "stitch-up" of your country. GliderGuider Jan 2017 #8
well stated. Ligyron Jan 2017 #23
Ditto 50 Shades Of Blue Jan 2017 #9
I have thought so for some time radical noodle Jan 2017 #10
And what a blithering idiot... thegoose Jan 2017 #50
That's a given with him radical noodle Jan 2017 #52
I agree with you for the most part. murielm99 Jan 2017 #59
You nailed him perfectly! radical noodle Jan 2017 #60
TRAITOR hurple Jan 2017 #11
Can't be tried for treason under the Constitutional standard. onenote Jan 2017 #13
But our wonderful friend Elizabeth Warren will be bringing up DK504 Jan 2017 #34
Legitimate grounds for an impeachment resolution onenote Jan 2017 #37
And Mitch McConnell for not supporting a bi-partisan review of the collusion when Obama... iluvtennis Jan 2017 #55
The worst part is that in two years, we will hear politicians and the news media saying, world wide wally Jan 2017 #12
I've been calling him Traitor Trump for weeks vlyons Jan 2017 #14
Me too BlueJac Jan 2017 #16
I have been using that term to describe Trump and his supporters.... Chakaconcarne Jan 2017 #17
Keep Using IT Me. Jan 2017 #20
Exactly! calimary Jan 2017 #54
Just So Me. Jan 2017 #57
If our country is crippled, that would allow them to start invading Europe. Initech Jan 2017 #56
Yes, he's traitor. But what's more disturbing Texin Jan 2017 #18
Every time I post about Mangolini, I use the #traitortrump GoneOffShore Jan 2017 #19
K & R SunSeeker Jan 2017 #21
The president-elect is horribly compromised in many ways. CrispyQ Jan 2017 #22
Of course he is, he is here to destroy us N_E_1 for Tennis Jan 2017 #24
Comrade Trumpov ees very loyal to motherland. tclambert Jan 2017 #25
call your Representatives bdamomma Jan 2017 #26
#TraitorTrump meow2u3 Jan 2017 #27
Sure he is madokie Jan 2017 #28
Putin's Puppet Lady_Chat Jan 2017 #29
I'll join you too. nt LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #30
What's telling is the way Putin makes excuses for Trump and supports him. Ligyron Jan 2017 #31
Putin WANTS a cloud of suspicion around Trump. GliderGuider Jan 2017 #32
Chaos in the West makes Russia look strong - makes Putin smart and fantastic. dalton99a Jan 2017 #44
This isn't about appearances. This is deadly serious shit. GliderGuider Jan 2017 #47
Right on! llmart Jan 2017 #53
EXACTLY. This chaos is precisely what Putin wants and it will rip our country apart. anneboleyn Jan 2017 #58
agree with you on this. putin had very good christmas and his new year looks even better. liberalla Jan 2017 #45
This guy puts Bond movie villains to shame. nt GliderGuider Jan 2017 #48
And yet... ailsagirl Jan 2017 #33
It's so obvious I can't believe anyone with two brain Lint Head Jan 2017 #35
I Refer You To Those Voters Who Previously Voted The Bush Admin IN Me. Jan 2017 #39
I think he is too nt doc03 Jan 2017 #36
And BTW Me. Jan 2017 #38
There's no question about it! ananda Jan 2017 #40
Agreed!! n/t MBS Jan 2017 #41
He is loyal to no one but himself. nolabear Jan 2017 #42
His love is for Russia and all things Russian, and his loyalty is for Putin. dalton99a Jan 2017 #43
you notice bdamomma Jan 2017 #46
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Jan 2017 #49
I don't believe he is, I KNOW he is YoungDemCA Jan 2017 #51
I heartily concur: Donald Trump is a Russian Asset... Raster Jan 2017 #62
Amen The Liberal Lion Jan 2017 #63

Me.

(35,454 posts)
15. True
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 01:13 PM
Jan 2017

However as I watch the goings on I notice everyone carefully avoiding saying, out loud, exactly that.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
8. Putin has successfully executed what is called a "stitch-up" of your country.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 12:52 PM
Jan 2017

You're stuck with Trump and the national and international consequences of his election. It's a done deal. If you move on him, his supporters will go berserk, and the GOP will refuse to contemplate impeachment. If you don't move on him, his supporters will go berserk when he fails to deliver. Your relations with Europe and China are toast.

Putin is the fox, America is the henhouse, and Trump was the key to the door. You've been royally rolled, but the consequences will only become clear over the next 4 years. This is a nightmare.

radical noodle

(7,990 posts)
10. I have thought so for some time
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 12:54 PM
Jan 2017

He's in bed with them. I don't necessarily think it's due to sex tapes. I'm inclined to believe it may be about money.

I noticed this in the transcript of his interview with the New York Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/23/us/politics/trump-new-york-times-interview-transcript.html?_r=0

TRUMP: That’s a very hard thing to do, you know what, because I have real estate. I have real estate all over the world, which now people are understanding. When I filed my forms with the federal election, people said, ‘Wow that’s really a big company, that’s a big company.’ It really is big, it’s diverse, it’s all over the world. It’s a great company with great assets. I think that, you know, selling real estate isn’t like selling stock. Selling real estate is much different, it’s in a much different world. I’d say this, and I mean this and I said it on “60 Minutes” the other night: My company is so unimportant to me relative to what I’m doing, ’cause I don’t need money, I don’t need anything, and by the way, I’m very under-leveraged, I have a very small percentage of my money in debt, very very small percentage of my money in debt, in fact, banks have said ‘We’d like to loan you money, we’d like to give you any amount of money.’ I’ve been there before, I’ve had it both ways, I’ve been over-levered, I’ve been under-levered and, especially as you get older, under-levered is much better.


It seems to me that Trump's type of lies have a pattern. Why would he bring up leverage and say he was under-levered and that banks want to loan him money? It could be self-important bullshit but I think it was a lie to divert attention from the real reason he can't sell his assets. He owes a great deal of money and some of it to someone important in Russia who is holding it over his head.

murielm99

(30,656 posts)
59. I agree with you for the most part.
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 01:02 AM
Jan 2017

This is not about sex, even sex with underage boys or girls, or peepee tapes. He does not care about any of that. Money and being a billionaire are what makes him a man, at least in his eyes.

He has not released his tax returns because he is no billionaire. He is most certainly flat broke, and it would unman him to have people know about it.

He does not owe banks alone. I think he is in hock up to his eyeballs with all sorts of sleazy types. I think he is in hock to Russian oligarchs, international criminals and every type of scum one can think about.

He thinks that he is untouchable. He is Donald Trump. He thinks he can borrow from anyone and get away with it. Let's see what comes out. And let's pray that he does not get desperate enough to blow up the entire world rather than face embarrassment.

radical noodle

(7,990 posts)
60. You nailed him perfectly!
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 01:46 AM
Jan 2017

That's what I've been thinking for months. I think he owes way more than he owns.

hurple

(1,304 posts)
11. TRAITOR
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 12:56 PM
Jan 2017

He is definitely a traitor.

As is Comey (show I believe was FULLY complicit and Fully in on the collusion with Russia)

Mamafort and Bannon, as well. Knowingly.

And McConnell, unwittingly.

All should be arrested and tried.

onenote

(42,374 posts)
13. Can't be tried for treason under the Constitutional standard.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 12:59 PM
Jan 2017

As has been pointed out numerous times here.

onenote

(42,374 posts)
37. Legitimate grounds for an impeachment resolution
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 02:49 PM
Jan 2017

Although I'm not optimistic that it will go anywhere. For one thing, as a Senator, she can't introduce such a resolution (impeachment is handled by the House; only after the House impeaches does the Senate get involved).

But it will be good for her to shine a spotlight on the issue however she can.

iluvtennis

(19,756 posts)
55. And Mitch McConnell for not supporting a bi-partisan review of the collusion when Obama...
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 10:08 PM
Jan 2017

...asked back in September. #resist the #TraitorTrump and his gang of #GOPThugs

world wide wally

(21,718 posts)
12. The worst part is that in two years, we will hear politicians and the news media saying,
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 12:58 PM
Jan 2017

"We never saw anything this drastic coming"

Bet me

Chakaconcarne

(2,387 posts)
17. I have been using that term to describe Trump and his supporters....
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 01:20 PM
Jan 2017

Anyone that can sit idly by and allow Russian influence on our democracy is in fact a traitor.

calimary

(80,693 posts)
54. Exactly!
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 09:20 PM
Jan 2017

Keep pushing this. Pretty soon the GOP itself will start realizing that if they cling to him, they're gonna go down with him. They have indeed reached that moment of - well, let's just call it "enlightened self-interest" - before. One time in particular was led by none other than Barry Goldwater, when Watergate was heating up to the boiling point:

They finally had to do something about Nixon, even while they weren't in the majority. Still required GOP support and they eventually reached a point where they could not face their constituents OR themselves in the bathroom mirror in the morning and try to keep their guy propped up. It was a small group of Republicans who finally came to him and urged him to resign because otherwise he faced certain impeachment.

Sen. Barry Goldwater, Ariz., the 1964 GOP presidential nominee, was a respected conservative leader in a Senate whose Republican ranks were less conservative than now. On Aug. 6, 1974, at the regular Senate Republican Conference lunch, Goldwater fumed: "There are only so many lies you can take, and now there has been one too many. Nixon should get his ass out of the White House -- today!"

Goldwater called William Timmons, a White House aide, to set up a meeting. He told Timmons he wanted to tell the president that many GOP senators wanted him to resign.

Nixon agreed to see Goldwater on the following day. But he insisted that the top GOP congressional leaders accompany him. So Goldwater arrived with Sen. Hugh Scott, Pa., the minority leader, while Scott's House counterpart, Rep. John Rhodes, Ariz., came separately.


http://www.politico.com/story/2007/02/when-the-gop-torpedoed-nixon-002680

It CAN happen. If the CONS think they're in trouble, that "bigly", because of trump, they'll flush him. Public outrage just has to boil over, so that it starts getting on them as though deposited by a projectile-vomiting infant. Look what's happening already. They're already starting to run for the hills because of the avalanche of citizen support FOR the ACA, the "dreaded" "Obamacare," and AGAINST their stated and oft-repeated vow to get rid of it. Look what happened when those assholes in the House tried at night, behind closed doors, in secret, the night before the new session of Congress opened, to get rid of the House's independent ethics watchdogs. That blew up in their faces, too, and they were forced - literally SHAMED (oddly enough, by trump among others) - into reversing what they did.

Initech

(99,912 posts)
56. If our country is crippled, that would allow them to start invading Europe.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 10:44 PM
Jan 2017

Putin is a mad man, and he must be stopped. Trump lifting Russian sanctions and provoking China would basically trigger World War 3. And that's a scary thought.

Texin

(2,585 posts)
18. Yes, he's traitor. But what's more disturbing
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 01:31 PM
Jan 2017

is the fact that this seems just absolutely fine with the rethugs in Congress and the roughly 35% of rethug loyalists who would never dream of voting for or supporting ANYONE other than a rethuglican for office. Seriously, they could put Hitler, Stalin and Caligula on the rethug ticket and their voters would break their ankles trying to get to the polls to vote for the guys.

I've always known this about this group of people, but I've never actually seen such breathtaking audacity by them in their naked, unapologetic support of such a clear and present danger to the sovereignty and security of this country. To say that no Democrat would be or would ever have been given such quarter to say and do such audacious things is an understatement of epic proportion.

At this point, I am fully expecting that US intel community and perhaps other joint security groups, such as MI6, Mossad, etc. will be joining forces and perhaps planning an "incident" that will "neutralize" him (hopefully, forever). I would have no problem with that whatsoever.

CrispyQ

(36,225 posts)
22. The president-elect is horribly compromised in many ways.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 01:52 PM
Jan 2017

The Democratic Party is derelict if they don't come out in a unified voice & call this an illegitimate election. But I don't expect that from the play nice party.

tclambert

(11,080 posts)
25. Comrade Trumpov ees very loyal to motherland.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 02:06 PM
Jan 2017

Your motherland? Nyet. Motherland of Vlad? Da. Konechno.

Ligyron

(7,592 posts)
31. What's telling is the way Putin makes excuses for Trump and supports him.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 02:14 PM
Jan 2017

If he were clever he'd say bad things about him in public to throw off suspicion.

I think the sex thing is fun to poke at him with but a distraction. It's about the money - it always is.

That, and I think they're both White Supremists with a common vision of how the world should be, like many of Trump's supporters.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
32. Putin WANTS a cloud of suspicion around Trump.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 02:18 PM
Jan 2017

In order to destabilize the American political system.

At the moment, Putin looks like the cleverest man in the room - far smarter, deeper and more devious than most here are giving him credit for.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
47. This isn't about appearances. This is deadly serious shit.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 04:29 PM
Jan 2017

If the US is disorganized, distracted, unstable and chaotic, they can't intervene effectively against any of Putin's moves toward Europe, the 'stans, Turkey, the Middle East and the Baltic states. That means Putin is effectively stronger - Russia then becomes an undisputed regional hegemon.

llmart

(15,499 posts)
53. Right on!
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 08:54 PM
Jan 2017

As we would say in the '60's

You are 100% correct. This is serious shit and while we're poking fun at the golden showers info, trump will destroy our country and Putin will take us back to the cold war years.

liberalla

(9,165 posts)
45. agree with you on this. putin had very good christmas and his new year looks even better.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 03:54 PM
Jan 2017

what an ambitious and audacious plan he put in motion... and what a successful result...

he's the big winner in all this... could it have turned out any better for him?

Me.

(35,454 posts)
39. I Refer You To Those Voters Who Previously Voted The Bush Admin IN
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 02:59 PM
Jan 2017

How many of us here saw what was coming but still couldn't get people to believe it?

bdamomma

(63,652 posts)
46. you notice
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 03:58 PM
Jan 2017

how Putin is coming to his defense all the time. These guys are in cahoots with each other, it can't be any plainer.

They are best buds.

Raster

(20,996 posts)
62. I heartily concur: Donald Trump is a Russian Asset...
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 06:41 AM
Jan 2017

...Acting for the benefit of Vladimir Putin and Russia, at the behest of Vladimir Putin and Russia.
This shit is NOT funny anymore!

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