My trump voting sister said to me, as I was educating her about her vote

[boston bean]

That she forgot pre existing conditions and kids on their parents insurance until they are 27 was part of Obamacare.

I said you what??

She said yeah. We gotta hope for the best with him and that we don't lose that. I said we gotta hope?? That is your fucking answer. She got all upset and told me that the vote was hard for her and she spent the most time she has ever spent on researching trump.

Take it from me, these voters are ignorant yet think they are the smartest.

She also told me that she felt I was brainwashed by a liberal media. At that very instant I understood it was her who was brainwashed by conservative hillary hate.

[JHan]

1. She may be feeling guilt..

Trump voters will go through a phase of denial where they pretend they didn't vote for a piece of excrement.

Check her again in 4 months time.

[Squinch]

8. I have two relatives who are Trump voters who I saw last night. They were both really, really

cranky and defensive about everything, even though politics was not mentioned much at all.

I think they know. I think they know what they did and they can't admit it even to themselves, and they are lashing out on other things. The way little children do.

[JHan]

9. Yeah, and that is unusual. Surely if the guy you voted for won, you'd be happy.

They're gonna have to come to terms with it.

[lunasun]

32. I thought trump voters were always cranky and defensive , good to know they don't always have

that rally vibe going on. Maybe they will admit it eventually. Don't know any trump voters but I had bush voters tell me what a mistake they made. Some voted for Obama later so we can hope2020

[Alice11111]

81. I have done that too.

NT. I didn't talk politics with my Republican relatives over the holidays. I did lash out or get snarky for other stupid things because I was pissed that they voted 4 DT.

[Squinch]

84. Well I'm pissed about that too, but THEY were snarky over stupid things. They just don't seem happy

about their win.

[Alice11111]

89. Sore winners. Imagine if they had lost?!

[4lbs]

67. It reminds me of when Nixon won in a massive landslide in 1972. He got 60% of the vote, more than

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47 million votes, and got 18 million more votes than his Democratic challenger.


Yet, 6 years after he resigned in disgrace, it was virtually impossible to find anyone who would admit to voting for him.

[mobeau69]

75. Just for the record

He didn't resign in 1978 (6 years after '72). He won reelection in '72 while Watergate was bubbling up to the surface.

[4lbs]

80. Nixon left office in 1974. Remember, Ford was President from 1974 to 1976, and then Carter won.

Yeah, it looks like in my original post above, it looked like the timeline may have been screwed by my grammar.

Ooops.

[Alice11111]

79. They say they hate DT, but voted4 him bec Hillary was worse

Just a way to avoid owning up to how stupid they were 4 Voting 4 him, as he continues to do stupid, unethical things.

[Frances]

103. A friend wrote in Johnson's name rather than vote for Hillary

I told that friend that I didn't want to talk politics with her, but that I disagreed totally about Hillary

[Alice11111]

104. Friend of mine did the same, as wife and her fam are Repub

He didn't want family contentiousness, with a new baby.
Voted straight Dem down ticket.

[itsrobert]

2. Her research on Trump was Facebook

and the FakeNews generated by the deplorables.

[Fast Walker 52]

10. probably yeah, or all rightwing sites

[itsrobert]

2. Her research on Trump was Facebook

and the FakeNews generated by the deplorables.

[ecstatic]

12. Bingo! nt

[hatrack]

4. AYFKM?

She forgot.

She FORGOT?

Jesus wept . . . .

[keithbvadu2]

92. All that 'research' and she 'forgot'?

Her entire 'research' was 'Not Hillary'.

[sheshe2]

5. HMOG!

[RBInMaine]

6. It's not "conservative" hate. It is "CRAZED RIGHT WINGER" hate. Say that.

[Crash2Parties]

30. Are they not one and the same these days?

[BlancheSplanchnik]

70. They are. They've been the same since sometime during bush

In my estimation maybe I'm wrong on the timeline.

[cstanleytech]

91. Your wrong on the timeline as the hate goes back decades they just hid it better then

beneath a thin veneer of manners.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

105. I believe that!

[dgibby]

106. Tea Party,

Alt Right , etc, AKA John Birch Society.

[herding cats]

7. Just trivial things to forget in all her extensive "researching" of her choice.

I feel for you, the levels of stupid I've encountered have left me numb.

On thing I will say, is the belief that the media is liberal, and that anyone not supporting Trump in opposing Democrats I'd brainwashed, is extremely prevalent among his voters. Which makes reading them virtually impossible.

[world wide wally]

11. My new business:

Selling red baseball caps that say, "Duuh"

[Crash2Parties]

31. Or blue ones that say, "you broke it, you own it"...

[flying_wahini]

96. I would buy several of those for my Trump supporting family members.

N/t

[Bigredhunk]

13. -

Can't imagine having immediate fam being rw'ers. Having crazy cousins is bad enough.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

14. it's the Scientology lesson again. They make you not trust those who dump on their cult.

Trump voters are in a cult. They know he's horrible, but they WANT him to be good to them. They want him to be horrible to us and all the brown people.

Leah Remini's program on Scientology is insightful if you substitute Trump for the church.

[kimbutgar]

27. I agree 100%

Watching that series explains thumps supporters. They cultivated them, gave them talking points and told them "they only are the only ones telling you the truth". Classic cult 101.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

37. and sadly how painstaking it is to deprogram them.

Basically impossible until they realize they were duped.

[progressoid]

39. That's pretty apt.

And it's going to take a lot of deprogramming to fix this country.

[ProudProgressiveNow]

15. K&R nt

[PatSeg]

16. "The most time she has ever spent researching Trump"???

Oh, god help us! The books, the interviews, the rally speeches, the magazine and newspaper articles, the lawsuits...........the man is an open book and her research led her to vote for him? Maybe her idea of research is different than mine.

[narnian60]

42. +1

[mreilly]

51. all you have to do is follow his Tweets

... that's what I tell anyone who says "the liberal media is brainwashing people to hate Trump!"

No. You can literally spend zero time watching, listening to or reading ANY news outlet and focus 100% on Trump's tweets and you will see what a vile, childish, sneering, undignified, sad loser he really is.

He will tell you EXACTLY what he's about and how disgusting he is through his very own words, and no one else's.

Or are they going to insist the media is making him tweet that shit?

[PatSeg]

64. Exactly

You don't have to listen to anyone else. Trump will tell you who he is if you are listening. But what does this election tell us about his supporters? That is what really concerns me.

[LuckyLib]

100. Do an OP with this heading. You are right on target!

Perfect response to anyone who screams liberal media.

[pnwmom]

17. The law also included a ban on yearly and annual limits,

which would affect almost anyone facing a serious accident or illness.

[LaydeeBug]

18. She can't be educated...she needs to be SCHOOLED. I promise you

although it goes against rational thought, these people became ditto heads because they only learn by DOING. They *love* the fight. They *love* to bicker. They will bicker about anything. They BICKERED about Christmas, for crying out loud.

It is not an elitist statement. Spite just resonates more with them than reason.

[BluesRunTheGame]

19. 40, 30, 20, 10

40 years of the Christian Right.

30 years of Limbaugh and right wing talk radio.

20 years of Fox News.

10 years of Drudge, Breitbart, and Alex Jones.

And what do we have?
A couple of shows on corporate owned TV stations.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

21. Bingo.

When Air America went down in the Bush Years the writing was on the wall.

[dionysus]

50. Dunno. While sometimes RWers replaced it with sports radio to silence it,

the demographocs are just different. While you or i may like left wing radio, most lefties just aren't into AM talk radio... they have cooler things to do

[LisaM]

77. I think that's right. It's kind of the same with sports radio.

I listen to it a lot, but they really focus on the NFL. Because it's NFL fans who put the shows on and call in. I've heard story after story of their trying to cover other sports and the lines dry up.

I liked some of the talk radio shows, but other than a few diehards, a lot went on to other things (Al Franken being a main example).

[dionysus]

78. I was one of the few libs who loves political radio. But college educated white liberal males

in their 20s (at the time of Air America), does not fit the demographic of an AM radio listener, AT ALL... i remember how many ads there were for citrical, analgesic arthritis cremes, gold, and the sleep number bed, i was thinking DAMN, just how old is the average AM radio listener?!

Other than old people , the only other place i heard AM radio was on shop floors, in mechanic shops, ect. And invariably it was either pillbaugh or one of his clones.

Everyone else listened to music or sports...

But yeah, i fondly remember IEAmerica Radio (way better than air america, it had peter werbe and malloy)..

Among the hosts i liked ove thebyears were;

Peter Werbe
Mike Malloy
Nancy Skinner
Randi
Stephanie Miller
Rachel when she was a noob! (On Unfilteres on AA, then later her own show)
Bobby Kennedy Jr and Mike Papantonio (bobby is really good when he leaves the fuckin vaccine topic alone! Grrrrr)
Ed Shultz

The righties always claimed we didn't do good at talknradio because we had no good hosts. The lefties claimed it was because we couldn't find stations, or got shitndown when we did (a few did get replaced with aporta or spanish language radio).

The truth is, liberals in general just don't fit the AM radio listening demographic. DUers are an anomaly, but there's not enough of us to carry a single radio station.

I wonder how many DUers realize how small a group we are. Political junkies like as are not what you'd call a mainstream group. That's why i laugh when people have their little theories how russia singled out DU to hack during the election...

I love DU, been here since the joint began, but damn people, it's a teensy, tiny sliver of the web!

[LisaM]

86. I can't rule out that hacking one of the larger Democratic sites was part of it.....

I don't mean to imply that DU was necessarily on the radar for the Russian Intelligence community, but I can absolutely believe some hacker or Freeper type would have a personal vendetta and say, hey! Let's take them out while we're at it.

I think a.m. radio also appeals to people who drive around a lot (big rigs, obviously, but also who live in towns where driving is the norm, not riding the bus), as well as people who stay home. I also think it's the time of day - we used to listen to some local talk show on a.m. radio at night (KIRO, Seattle), but that station went to sports and they moved what was left of their talk over to FM. The Air America station went to sports. Seattle has two major league teams (well, three if you count the Sounders) and AFAIK, all these station get mediocre to low ratings.

[dionysus]

87. AM radio was a big car thing for me, too. The AA station in NY went ESPN, and i think the

One i listened to in maine either went spanish speaking or just dissappeared!

[SleeplessinSoCal]

88. Al Franken made the most of his program

He educated people. He had on Norman Ornstein who has always been an admirable conservative.

When Randi, Schultz, and Malloy, and Hartmann became the flag bearers, they were easily targeted by a vastly more aggressive freeper audience.

Where are the freezers now? Still pitching a fit? (To use an arcane expression)

[dionysus]

90. Omg i forgot about his show! I loved it...

[SleeplessinSoCal]

93. his books and that show brought me here. n/t

[Buckeye_Democrat]

54. It was doomed. They didn't own the radio stations.

iHeartMedia owns both the stations AND the programming for right-wing trash like Limbaugh's show.

[progressoid]

38. Exactly.

And welcome to DU BlueRunTheGame!

[GliderGuider]

41. The Powell Memo explains it all.

http://reclaimdemocracy.org/powell_memo_lewis/

Trump's victory through brainwashing has been in the pipe since 1971. 45 years of dedicated preparation paid off.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

20. that research...

She may think that she did do research. There is such a swamp of info at your fingertips. She needs a wake-up call on how people get conned because the Internet is full of Conspiracies and lies. Digging for the truth takes time, real elbow grease, and a strong bullshit detector.

[StevieM]

22. But look on the bright side. At least we don't have a president who has her own email server.

Can you imagine how it would have cheapened our nation if that had happened?

[JHan]

66. the horror of it all.

[Jacob Boehme]

23. George has a great take on our current events

[bowens43]

68. yes, what he said.......

people tend to get the government that they deserve.

[MontanaMama]

76. George was a genius and a prophet.

I'd give a whole lot to have him here with us watching this shit show.

[elmac]

24. Never argue with stupid people

they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. old quote by ?

[lunasun]

34. Mark Twain and correctly quoted

[lancelyons]

25. At least your sister is level headed enough to realize that she might have screwed up.

On the other side are many right wing nuts (all GOP) that dont believe any of the bad stuff about Trump and he is their God against the will of the evil liberal population. All media that shows bad things about trump are bad liberal media until it says something good then temporarily its good. Its true that most GOP voters are just not very smart but have some serious disdain for Liberals.

They believe Liberals are evil. We think they are stupid. They will fight at all costs including some that considered rebellion and bearing arms, while liberals just want to fight fairly.

[GP6971]

26. Sounds like my BIL

Already bemoaning the fact that my nieces will never see SS or Medicare. I gave up arguing with him years ago after he almost kicked me out of his house one Christmas Eve after discussions about dimsum.

[blue sky at night]

28. My Daughter just had to go on Medicare....

as she turned 26 in December...I hope everyone isn't forgetting about Social Security and Medicare...if they go I (and many folks) will never be able to retire and if that is the case I W I L L have some pretty nasty shit to say to my idiot family members who voted for their leader! Fucking Eh I will!!

[dionysus]

52. Medicaid?

[IronLionZion]

62. My cousin had to go on Medicaid

he had aged out of his parents' plan and was a student who couldn't afford his own plan. He contracted TB and would have been totally screwed if he hadn't fortunately lived in a state that expanded Medicaid in accordance with the PPACA.

it could happen to anyone, any age, any time.

I have a coworker who recently aged out of his parents' plan and didn't bother signing up for his own plan. We encouraged him to sign up before Trump and the GOP kill it.

[hibbing]

29. ahhh...the liberal media

That same liberal media that showed every single speech he gave from airplane hangers uninterrupted with no critical commentary, that liberal media?


Peace

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

33. Well maybe she's on the ACA, not Obamacare.

You can hope for the best.

I mean, how ADD must she be to have "forgotten" about such things?

I keep on wishing that only those who voted for him would lose their coverage, but alas, it won't work that way.

And I agree with the other comments on her ability to research anything.

Oh, and the kids can only stay on their parents' health plan to age 26, if that helps.

[lunasun]

35. Wait you are saying she didn't vote out of emotion actually gave some thought

researched Trump and didn't know he was going to repeal oObamacare???? This is like saying you didn't know he was going to build a wall . He talked about Obamacare all the time and how it's gone . The first wave of Obamacare installed was the pre existing and the age increase I believe and quite publicized . I swear these people coming up from under a rock hit thier head hard on the way out.
Yeah they all know some covert things we don't see or know and we are brainwashed to ignore it ok

[Luz]

40. They think Obama Care is free medical for brown ppl,

That's what they voted whole-hearted to get rid of. Never imagining it would affect them.

[Cha]

36. I knew that... sorry about your sister, boston.

Yeah, was thinking today.. dump is the first foxscrews pospotus.

There's facts and there's bullshit... if she wasn't aware of the facts about Pre-existing Conditions being accepted with Ocare and the kids being on until 27 then it is she who is brainwashed.

She was ok with a sleazy sexual predatory "celebrity" being our pospotus.. it's she who is brainwashed.

And, there's millions of them.

[Rustyeye77]

43. "she spent the most time she has ever spent on researching trump."

how can 2 sisters be so different ??

[barbtries]

46. yeah,

i would like to see what sources she turned to doing this "research on trump"

[boston bean]

73. I would have too, but isn't it obvious. FOX, brietbart, facebook.

or she looked for hillary hate and found reasons to vote the way she did.

She aint to bright politically.

To be honest, it makes it real hard to accept her knowing what she voted for. But I love her. That don't make it easy or her right.

She's just gonna have to deal, knowing how I feel about her vote.

[MarvinGardens]

97. I feel your pain.

My parents both voted for Drumpf because "he's going to bring back manufacturing." And they blame Obamacare for my Dad's insurance premiums going up. And they watch a lot of Fox News. Both will be on Social Security and Medicare in a few years. We'll see how all that works out....

I love them of course, but it's been hard to accept. They weren't bigots and did not raise us to be.

[LittleGirl]

61. Me and my sister

are complete opposites. She's a raging tea bagger bigot. I haven's spoken to her in 4 yrs except once last summer when we ended up at the same place and the same time. After her first reaction "What are you doing here" her second question was "What do you think of Obama". You can imagine how I took that. I had the flu and ready to knock her block off.
edit: typo

[logosoco]

44. Forgot!!!

I forget a lot of things, especially when I walk into another room, but the big things I can remember.
I think people have already "forgot" what happened the last time we had a (not very good) business man who was born into a rich family as president.

Kinda funny she still has hope!

I can't imagine having a tRump voting sister!

[barbtries]

45. there's liberal Hillary hate too.

all out of proportion to any mistakes she may have made. i think it's the result of literally decades of slime being poured on her. decades of it.

there's no question of me discussing politics with my trump voting relatives. we love each other and want to keep it that way.

[Aristus]

47. I'm sure there was a flurry of bumper-sticker scraping after Nixon resigned in disgrace.

How soon for the misbegotten fluffers of Tangerine Tinyhands?...

[CousinIT]

48. ignorance and hate is what got us Trump (and Comey and Russia helped)

Some of my goddamned family voted for the jackass. Sister is an ignoramous just like yours and my brother is misogynist MRA. He wasn't ABOUT to vote for any woman and openly stated that was why he voted Trump. He's registered 'unaffiliated' and heretofore has always voted Dem. NOW, he's a Republican.

Sister is a rape apologist. She said Trump was just "bragging" like "all men do" when he was talking about grabbing women's genitals. And she pitied "poor" Billy Bush getting fired over that.

Poor Billy Bush. I don't feel sorry for goddamned Billy Bush.

I DO feel sorry for all the women who are, have been and will be disrespected by this sexual predator who is so entitled that he thinks he has a right to grab them anywhere, anytime and for any reason he chooses because he's rich and a "star" (at least in his own mind).

Ignorance and hate.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

49. I pointed out factual errors to a right-wing co-worker years ago and...

she asked me a couple days later if I graduated from college. I replied that I did. She then said (paraphrasing), "That explains your liberal attitudes. College graduates are usually brainwashed."

Many right-wingers don't know that they don't know.

Some of them seem to think "everything's just an opinion" too.

[scscholar]

53. Why even talk to her if she refuses to educate herself?

Cutting off all ties will help save your sanity.

[mac56]

55. Yup

[Eliot Rosewater]

56. Think of it this way, you and I saw a man who never told the truth once, it was obvious

who openly mocked a disabled person (talk about picking on the powerless) and all the rest, vagina grabbing, racism, etc.

Your sister saw that person and still had to research him?

Bullshit, what she and sixty million people did was say they were Ok with racists and the rest as long as they get a tax cut.

Not picking on your sister, you know what I mean.

[boston bean]

58. I do know and i agree with you.

[IronLionZion]

63. Millions of people voted as a protest against diversity and feminism

and some voted against trade deals, gay rights, green energy, and other things that make America great but they would like to get rid of.

When a sewer pipe burst back in my hometown where I grew up, they blamed it on Obama and low flow toilets. They feel that sewage will be managed better with Trump as president and we can have powerful toilets again.

This is an area where idiots waste expensive diesel fuel on "rolling coal" to pollute the air to spite Obama.

[3catwoman3]

57. "Many rightwingers don't know what they don't know."

Or worse, they don't care about what they don't know. And even worse than that, they are proud of what they don't know.

Willful ignorance combined with arrogance is a deadly combination.

[IronLionZion]

59. I had a Latino Trumper tell me Hillary was about to implement socialist Medicare for all

and that we were this close to having soviet rationing of medicine and soon after food too. And that's why he went Trump. Because his family fled Castro's regime and he wants more jobs not socialism.

[Raster]

60. "...she spent the most time she has ever spent on researching trump."

Let me guess...

1. Fox News;
2. Breitbart; and
3. Facebook.

[Angry Dragon]

65. perhaps there might be hope for your sister

[George II]

69. How could it take a lot of time "researching trump"? About 45 seconds should have been enough.

[boston bean]

74. George she also said she voted for Trump because she thought Hillary was a war monger

and her son was going to join the military.. and she trusted trump more.

Think about it. How bright can this person be??? At least politically.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

71. So much researching....oy vey, what did that entail, I wonder.

Certainly not googling "trump".

[rickford66]

72. A friend said she wanted to vote for Bernie but ...

couldn't understand why he "dropped" out !! So she didn't vote.

[Different Drummer]

83. "She also told me that she felt I was brainwashed by a liberal media."

One question...what liberal media?!

[JHB]

85. "The most time she has ever spent"? So... five minutes?

[paleotn]

94. No offense,

but if that was one of my relatives I would have called her fucking stupid. Actually, I did say that to one of my family members who was dumb enough to admit a Trump vote.

[boston bean]

95. Well... that is pretty much it! LOL And she took great offense!

[paleotn]

98. So did mine...

and I just hope it makes them think about the repercussions of their actions. I'm through with the kid gloves routine with family. I'm calling them like I see them from now on. My brother thought it was funny as hell since that's exactly what our dad would have said. Dad was a hardcore FDR Dem to the last.

[boston bean]

99. I wrote a fb to friends and family the friday or saturday after the election, reaming them all good.

I was like fuck that shit! They need to know they are going to own this fucking vote and how it was personally offensive.

It wasn't normal politics, my side lost.

We are dealing with a racist/sexist/xenophobic/homophobic POS. And they voted for it. I'm not white washing that shit.

[liberal N proud]

101. She was probably worried about those damn emails

[Frances]

102. Had a similar experience today

A woman who is on SSI and lives in subsidized housing told me that Trump was going to provide health insurance for everyone.
She said Trump is a good businessman. I told her that the voters in our city refused to return our mayor to office because he had not paid his sub-contractors and I wish more Americans had rejected Trump on those grounds alone.
But a really big issue is Russia. I told her that the reason Trump bad mouths China is that soon China (and India) will be the only large countries that Putin does not control. Putin has Trump in his pocket; he has gotten Britain out of the EU and is continuing to weaken the EU. Trump will help Putin destroy NATO.
Poor old FDR, Truman, and Ike must be wondering what all those soldiers in World War II died for.
I also told my friend that if Trump had been president instead of FDR, Trump would have "made a deal" with Hitler and we'd all be speaking German now. And instead of enjoying unparalleled prosperity after the war, we would have been a German colony with all our Jewish citizens exterminated. And, of course, all the intellectuals and liberals and gays exterminated as well.
I was paying the woman to cut my hair so she didn't have much choice about listening to my rant.
But such ignorance from someone who has so much to lose from a Trump presidency.