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Dem senators harder on DeVos? (Original Post) cilla4progress Jan 2017 OP
Maybe but DeVos wants to ruin radical noodle Jan 2017 #1
But cilla4progress Jan 2017 #2
Oh, I agree they're dangerous radical noodle Jan 2017 #3
She's completely unqualified for the position. Demit Jan 2017 #4
And she clearly had no understanding of rules and regulations avebury Jan 2017 #20
Easier target exboyfil Jan 2017 #5
Laws, after all, are for little people to obey. raging moderate Jan 2017 #8
Nope. She's just supremely unqualified. She knows the best way to get out of this is to keep her RedWedge Jan 2017 #6
The US had perhaps the best educational system in the world until Reagan manufactured a crisis world wide wally Jan 2017 #7
she's completely unqualified--Sessions is qualified on paper geek tragedy Jan 2017 #9
She is the most unqualified candidate since Ben Carson exboyfil Jan 2017 #11
They weren't asking her particularly hard questions, from what I saw. Tanuki Jan 2017 #10
I don't think it is that-Sessions is a Senator and Tillerson may be seen as better than alternatives karynnj Jan 2017 #12
They had five minutes each with no follow up. bluedigger Jan 2017 #13
This ksoze Jan 2017 #14
Not about the schmoozing cilla4progress Jan 2017 #15
Approx. 80% of American kids benefit from public schools Greybnk48 Jan 2017 #16
Do you really? n/t kcr Jan 2017 #17
Did you watch that hearing? mcar Jan 2017 #18
DeVos was a train wreck... SidDithers Jan 2017 #19
Devos had no idea of what IDEA is. Senator Hassan exposed that she didn't have knowledge of suffragette Jan 2017 #21
She thinks guns belong in schools so they can protect against grizzly bears. meadowlander Jan 2017 #22
Alexander actually limited rounds and time for questions more for DeVos suffragette Jan 2017 #23
Devos is the one that scares me the most as she can fuck up our country for many decades moda253 Jan 2017 #24

radical noodle

(7,997 posts)
1. Maybe but DeVos wants to ruin
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 11:07 AM
Jan 2017

public education and she has no background in public education, only private. In addition, teachers are big supporters of Dems and the teachers were represented there yesterday.

radical noodle

(7,997 posts)
3. Oh, I agree they're dangerous
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 11:14 AM
Jan 2017

but what large groups oppose them and go to lobby the senators about them? Are there any?

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
4. She's completely unqualified for the position.
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 11:14 AM
Jan 2017

She blew the answers to some basic questions, like the one Al Franken asked about the difference between proficiency and growth. What's your reason for thinking they should've gone easier on her?

avebury

(10,951 posts)
20. And she clearly had no understanding of rules and regulations
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 01:59 PM
Jan 2017

already in place. She couldn't even punt decent responses to the questions that were directed at her.

I liked Bernie asking her if she wasn't a multi-billionaire would she even be sitting there. Wish the same question had been asked of Tillerson and anybody else that is a billionaire nominee.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
5. Easier target
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 11:15 AM
Jan 2017

Sessions is technically qualified but has positions that are abhorrent.
Tillerson was grilled quite well, and he might not make it. I still can't believe the audacity to not swear him in prior to his testimony. He is not qualified, but we really don't have a way to attack his positions since he has none.

In addition to having abhorrent policies, DeVos is probably the least qualified member nominated to the Cabinet since Ben Carson.

RedWedge

(618 posts)
6. Nope. She's just supremely unqualified. She knows the best way to get out of this is to keep her
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 11:16 AM
Jan 2017

mouth shut and not give the committee anything to latch onto. So there's a lot of desperate smiling and nodding.

world wide wally

(21,738 posts)
7. The US had perhaps the best educational system in the world until Reagan manufactured a crisis
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 11:21 AM
Jan 2017

in an attempt to privatize schools so his cronies could make more money for themselves. He commissioned a study called "A Nation A Risk" and only published half the story like Republicans always do to discredit American efforts to benefit American citizens when there is money to be made.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
9. she's completely unqualified--Sessions is qualified on paper
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 11:23 AM
Jan 2017

and Tillerson isn't completely implausible (lead a large multinational company with dealings around the globe).

Not that Tillerson and Sessions are anything but awful choices, but DeVos is spectacularly unqualified on any level for the job.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
11. She is the most unqualified candidate since Ben Carson
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 11:27 AM
Jan 2017

going back further than that - I guess I would have to say "You are doing a heck of a job Brownie" (I know not a Cabinet position, but too fun not to use).

Tanuki

(14,914 posts)
10. They weren't asking her particularly hard questions, from what I saw.
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 11:25 AM
Jan 2017

The fate of public education is at stake, and she is unqualified. She did not do herself any favors by playing coy and giving bullshit non-answers to fair questions.

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
12. I don't think it is that-Sessions is a Senator and Tillerson may be seen as better than alternatives
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 11:35 AM
Jan 2017

I think she is genuinely weaker as a nominee for a position that could affect a huge part of the country. Not to mention, the questions were not the problem - the answers or lack of answers were.

It is very rare when a sitting Senator is rejected. There are good reasons to reject Sessions as racist, but consider that he will be voted on by his peers. It might be hard to stand against a man you then will have to work with.

I watched the Tillerson hearing - in part - and he was asked many tough questions - on his personal and Exxon"s lobbying on sanctions and his relationship with Russia. If there was any holding back, it was not obvious to me. I assume the Senators make an assessment of whether a nominee is totally unfit or not -- and I would guess that DeVoss is proving that she is completely unqualified.

As to Tillerson, I hate that he is refusing to be open about any vision or diplomatic philosophy that he might have. My biggest concern is that it has been years since he had a boss or even "peers". As such, how will he act as one of the people in a room with his peers. If they think he sees them as subordinates, it is hard to see how that will work. In addition, think back to how both Kerry and Clinton always made it clear that they represented President Obama's position. That takes a certain amount of self discipline - and they had a brilliant President who for the most part they agreed with. (In fact, for EVERY cabinet officer, the relationship with Trump could be problematic - he is incredibly chaotic and seems to have no patience for learning much about the decisions he will have to make.)

With Tillerson, if confirmed, an early test will be how he represents US interests (Not Exxon's) with regards to Russia. Unlike on most domestic issues, foreign policy does not split as easily on a party line basis. If Tillerson/Trump really do move to weaken NATO and EU, while lifting up Russia -- they likely will have as much trouble from the Republicans.

cilla4progress

(24,717 posts)
15. Not about the schmoozing
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 12:31 PM
Jan 2017

may be the composition of the confirmation committee. What I saw they gave more white glove treatment to the men.

Greybnk48

(10,162 posts)
16. Approx. 80% of American kids benefit from public schools
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 12:42 PM
Jan 2017

and she's against it. She wants private, for profit schools with little or no federal standards for kid or teachers. She also wants to force Christian religion on school kids. It's the Scott Walker/Koch school coupon plan to enrich the rich and indoctrinate the children.

I hope they shred her like a fucking piece of pulled pork. She's about the least qualified nominee of all, vagina or no vagina.

mcar

(42,278 posts)
18. Did you watch that hearing?
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 12:49 PM
Jan 2017

If it can be called that. She deserved to be asked hard questions. She is a know-nothing lunatic.

Many of the hard questions were being asked by female senators.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
19. DeVos was a train wreck...
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 01:54 PM
Jan 2017

she couldn't answer the most basic questions about education.

If it looked like questioners were harder on her than on male nominees, it's because she was completely inept at answering.

Sid

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
21. Devos had no idea of what IDEA is. Senator Hassan exposed that she didn't have knowledge of
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 02:28 PM
Jan 2017

the most basic and fundamental federal laws affecting and supporting students' public education, much less the issue of those laws being subverted by some Charter systems.

The Senators demonstrated repeatedly that she is completely unqualified for this position.

To me, the Senators performed their duty and their job in bringing that to light.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2017/01/17/betsy-devos-confused-about-federal-law-protecting-students-with-disabilities/?utm_term=.4ce261160283

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/01/betsy-devos-confirmation-hearing-bernie-sanders-al-franken-real-bad

meadowlander

(4,388 posts)
22. She thinks guns belong in schools so they can protect against grizzly bears.
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 02:38 PM
Jan 2017

She should be laughed out of every room of right thinking people she enters for the rest of her natural life, no matter what kind of genitals she has.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
23. Alexander actually limited rounds and time for questions more for DeVos
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 03:20 PM
Jan 2017
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2017/01/18/daily-202-lamar-alexander-is-dragging-betsy-devos-across-the-finish-line-to-become-secretary-of-education/587e5785e9b69b36fcfeafd7/?utm_term=.08a7d9e6d6d0

Despite howls of protest from every Democrat on the committee, Alexander allowed each member to ask five minutes of questions. He permitted just one round of questioning, compared to the three rounds that Rex Tillerson and Jeff Sessions faced last week. Most committees also give members 10 minutes per round, not five.
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