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Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 03:09 PM Jan 2017

Trump's education pick says reform can 'advance God's Kingdom'

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/betsy-devos-education-trump-religion-232150


The billionaire philanthropist whom Donald Trump has tapped to lead the Education Department once compared her work in education reform to a biblical battleground where she wants to "advance God's Kingdom."

Trump’s pick, Betsy DeVos, a national leader of the school choice movement, has pursued that work in large part by spending millions to promote the use of taxpayer dollars on private and religious schools.

Her comments came during a 2001 meeting of “The Gathering,” an annual conference of some of the country’s wealthiest Christians. DeVos and her husband, Dick, were interviewed a year after voters rejected a Michigan ballot initiative to change the state’s constitution to allow public money to be spent on private and religious schools, which the DeVoses had backed.


This is a state of emergency, this woman cannot be in charge of our education system.
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Trump's education pick says reform can 'advance God's Kingdom' (Original Post) Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 OP
Look who her brother is. Why would you figure she'd be different? Pholus Jan 2017 #1
Like I said, this is a state of emergency, very frightening but then so are all of Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #4
This woman has already brought a heap o' hurt to Michigan schools... Raster Jan 2017 #2
Mercifully Michigan does not have vouchers etherealtruth Jan 2017 #8
This is a Code Phrase!!!! "advance God's Kingdom" Jacob Boehme Jan 2017 #3
one persons religeon has been used since the dawn of time to destroy the lives of others. putitinD Jan 2017 #5
while her brother Erik Prince slays heathens for profit dalton99a Jan 2017 #6
Put DeVos in charge of Sunday school, not our education system. democratisphere Jan 2017 #7
Remember that Christianity before the enlightenment was no Dawson Leery Jan 2017 #9
Grizzlies are God's creatures too underpants Jan 2017 #10
"advance God's Kingdom"...as in Bring on the Last Days? Ken Burch Jan 2017 #11
Just wish we could go back to November 1, 2016, and we could all LOUDLY and AGGRESSIVELY Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #13
Excuse me, I DID support her in the fall. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #16
I wasnt referring to you specifically, just trying to make sure Jill Stein and Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #17
Whathisname idiot voters??? Really??? Parker DeWitt Jan 2017 #22
Advance God's Kingdom undermine secular Constitutional democracy meow2u3 Jan 2017 #23
Has her position been voted on yet? nt jonno99 Jan 2017 #12
No. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #14
Thanks. Looking around, it appears that the full senate votes will occur early next week. nt jonno99 Jan 2017 #19
and which God would that be? vlyons Jan 2017 #18
oh geez bdamomma Jan 2017 #20
This Ought To Be A Disqualifying Statement ProfessorGAC Jan 2017 #21

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
4. Like I said, this is a state of emergency, very frightening but then so are all of
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 03:13 PM
Jan 2017

his appointments.

Sure wish we could go back to election day and ask 3rd party voters to not vote 3rd party.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
2. This woman has already brought a heap o' hurt to Michigan schools...
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 03:12 PM
Jan 2017

...she is part of the uber-zealot flavor of Christians that believe they are fighting a holy way....

...and did we mention her brother is Eric "Blackwater" Prince, Darth Cheney*'s private "enforcer"?

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
8. Mercifully Michigan does not have vouchers
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 03:16 PM
Jan 2017

(despite DeVos)

http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/charterschoice/2017/01/why_michigan_doesnt_have_school_vouchers_and_probably_never_will.html?print=1


The DeVoses have been influential advocates and philanthropic supporters of school choice policies in their home state and beyond—helping launch and shape Michigan's charter school sector over the last two decades. But the DeVoses are also big proponents of school vouchers, which allow students to use public money to attend a private school.

So if the DeVoses have been so successful in influencing charter school policy in the state, why doesn't Michigan have a single voucher program? The answer has to do with something in the state's constitution called a Blaine Amendment.

Named for James G. Blaine, a U.S. representative from Maine who served in the House in the late 1800s, Blaine Amendments appear in 37 state constitutions, and they ban states from sending public money to private or religious institutions. Michigan's Blaine Amendment is the most restrictive in the country.

"This is a very specific Blaine Amendment to stop funds going to private schools," said Robert Enlow, the president and CEO of EdChoice. "Most other Blaine Amendments don't typically ... mention mechanisms like vouchers." Although the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 2002 that school vouchers did not violate the U.S. Constitution's establishment clause (because states don't choose which private schools to send the money to, parents do), Blaine Amendments in state constitutions, like Michigan's, have acted as a bulwark slowing the spread of vouchers.

Jacob Boehme

(789 posts)
3. This is a Code Phrase!!!! "advance God's Kingdom"
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 03:12 PM
Jan 2017
Danger! Danger! This is the kind of coded message that the lunatic fringe Bible Thumpers use to signal each other that they're on the same team.... Betsy needs to get the Gong Show Exit hook NOW!!!!

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
9. Remember that Christianity before the enlightenment was no
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 03:16 PM
Jan 2017

different from the Islam that the Christian nuts live in fear of. They are different sides of the same coin.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
13. Just wish we could go back to November 1, 2016, and we could all LOUDLY and AGGRESSIVELY
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 03:19 PM
Jan 2017

express our support for HILLARY and tell anybody who would listen we do NOT have to hold our noses to vote for her, etc.

Response to Ken Burch (Reply #15)

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
17. I wasnt referring to you specifically, just trying to make sure Jill Stein and
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 03:24 PM
Jan 2017

whatshisname idiot voters learned their lessons.

I just do that whenever I can, because I think some are still not learning that lesson.

 

Parker DeWitt

(28 posts)
22. Whathisname idiot voters??? Really???
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 04:14 PM
Jan 2017

And now we now why Trump won -- total disdain for voters from the Clinton camp. You can't shit on voters and expect them to support you. It's attitudes like that put Trump in the White House. Congratulations. Enjoy the next four years!

meow2u3

(24,759 posts)
23. Advance God's Kingdom undermine secular Constitutional democracy
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 04:23 PM
Jan 2017

and impose radical evangelical fundamentalism on those of us who don't share their kooky beliefs.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
18. and which God would that be?
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 03:28 PM
Jan 2017

oh she means Jehovah, the jealous god. In Tibetan Buddhism, the asuras are the jealous gods. Always making trouble and waging war on the upper gods. But alas the realm of the asuras and the heaven of the upper gods are both still part of samsara.

So I don't need Mrs DeVoss to impose her version of "God's Kingdom" on me. I don't believe in her God, and neither do a lot of other Americans. I don't need her implying that my religious beliefs and practices are not as good as hers. What I do need is an Education secretary, who will fight for free higher education, great public schools, decent salaries for teachers, and pre-K childcare.

ProfessorGAC

(64,851 posts)
21. This Ought To Be A Disqualifying Statement
Wed Jan 18, 2017, 03:40 PM
Jan 2017

It's prima facie an advancement of a specific religious tenet. Don't we have some document that says the government can't do that, or something?

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