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Thu Jan 19, 2017, 12:08 PM

 

Could Trump Be Proposing A Health Care Plan I Agree With?

Let's, for the moment, assume Trump is not lying this time (admittedly, an assumption that's difficult to make any time).

Trump has said that he will be unveiling a plan in 2 weeks that will "cover everyone". His HHS nominee, Rep. Price has said, under oath, that he has not discussed this plan with the President-Elect.

logically, (and again, there hasn't been any logical way of assessing anything political in the past 18 months), we can deduce something for sure. Donald Trump can in no way come up with a replacement health plan that covers every American, on his own, in two weeks, unless it's the simplest of plans.

The only assumption, beyond Trump bull-shit, is that the Trump plan is "Medicare for all". If that's his plan, he has my full support. If it's not, than we can call "bull-shit".

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Reply Could Trump Be Proposing A Health Care Plan I Agree With? (Original post)
louis c Jan 2017 OP
guillaumeb Jan 2017 #1
stonecutter357 Jan 2017 #2
louis c Jan 2017 #25
stonecutter357 Jan 2017 #32
COLGATE4 Jan 2017 #36
Name removed Jan 2017 #3
tazkcmo Jan 2017 #26
Wounded Bear Jan 2017 #4
Saviolo Jan 2017 #5
Nay Jan 2017 #12
Yavin4 Jan 2017 #6
ProfessorGAC Jan 2017 #14
Yavin4 Jan 2017 #19
ProfessorGAC Jan 2017 #21
dalton99a Jan 2017 #37
hatrack Jan 2017 #7
SidDithers Jan 2017 #8
JTFrog Jan 2017 #9
StubbornThings Jan 2017 #10
Jim Beard Jan 2017 #18
Hoyt Jan 2017 #11
bettyellen Jan 2017 #27
world wide wally Jan 2017 #13
Chemisse Jan 2017 #15
Rustyeye77 Jan 2017 #16
hollowdweller Jan 2017 #17
Jim Beard Jan 2017 #20
Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2017 #23
uponit7771 Jan 2017 #34
HughBeaumont Jan 2017 #22
DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #24
dembotoz Jan 2017 #29
uponit7771 Jan 2017 #35
HAB911 Jan 2017 #28
geek tragedy Jan 2017 #30
wishstar Jan 2017 #31
Pholus Jan 2017 #33
AngryAmish Jan 2017 #38
louis c Jan 2017 #40
matt819 Jan 2017 #39
Jim Beard Jan 2017 #41

Response to louis c (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 12:11 PM

1. Assuming that Trump is not lying is a huuuuuuuge leap of faith.

Trump and/or the GOP would never propose any version of single payer because it would drastically decrease the ability of American businesses to profit from health outcomes.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 12:11 PM

2. i don't believe shit this POS has to say.

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 03:36 PM

25. didn't President Obam say that if "they (including Trump) can come up with.............

 

a better plan than his, "they" would have his full support?

That's all I'm saying in my OP.

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Response to louis c (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 04:01 PM

32. and all i am saying is trump is a lying POS.

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 04:21 PM

36. In the words of one of TV's "judges"

"I wouldn't believe him if his tongue came notarized". Me, neither.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 03:39 PM

26. Free Lunch

Tomorrow

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 12:17 PM

4. Would be wonderful, but....

he's not a policy guy. He's there to sign bills passed by the Repub Congress.

This is, at best, another diversion.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 12:18 PM

5. "cover everyone" is bad translation of "universal access"

The GOP love to use the term "universal access" to health care, because it sounds like they want to offer health coverage to everyone. But what it really means is, everyone has access to health care, but they still have to pay for it. Just like everyone has access to shopping malls and fine dining. It has nothing to do with coverage.

If the plan is universal access, then yes, it covers everyone about the same. That is to say, not at all.

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Response to Saviolo (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 12:28 PM

12. Exactly this. You can access a hospital or a doctor's office, but if you don't have

money or insurance, you don't get health care. It's a weaselly phrase that RWers use all the time. And if you DO have insurance, it'll be expensive, have a stratospheric deductible, and won't cover much.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 12:19 PM

6. Trump is a con man.

Everyone is going to see something in his proposals that they like because that is what con men do.

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 12:29 PM

14. "Art Of The Deal" Right Yav?

Make them think they're actually winning the deal and pull the cards back at the last second. That's what he's always done.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 12:40 PM

19. More like "Art of the Con".

It's all about getting you to have confidence in them, ergo "con men". So, of course, everyone is gong to see something that they like.

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #19)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 12:56 PM

21. Yeah, I Know

But he titled his book "deal". We all know what he meant was "con".

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 04:22 PM

37. Precisely.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 12:20 PM

7. No, he's lying. He lies about everything, all the time. He doesn't know the difference.

And when he's lied in one direction, he'll forget what he said, and just lie in the opposite direction the following day.

Believe. Nothing. He. Says.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 12:20 PM

8. No, it's more likely to be shit insurance for everyone...

with super high deductibles and exclusions out the wazoo.

Yes, you'll have coverage, but it won't do you any good.

Sid

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 12:20 PM

9. Lol. nt

 

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 12:26 PM

10. Trump said something that polls well but he could never implement.

 

The "replacement" will be a disaster because it will be written by someone like Tom Price, Pence, or some other evil Republican.

If I were advising Trump and the Republicans I would tell them to take a trillion dollars and spend it on infrastructure. The GOP and their supporters don't care about spending when they are in power and everyone thinks our infrastructure needs to be fixed now. Plus, if done right, it could create some good paying jobs for a lot of people.

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Response to StubbornThings (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 12:39 PM

18. Did you watch the Tom Price hearings yesterday?

 

I made a thread about it but it sunk. His only plan was everything we had in the past. Groups, High Risk pools and health Savings accounts. The old new plan.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 12:27 PM

11. At this point, we have little choice but to hope he delivers. Maybe folks shouldn't have bashed ACA

so much when we thought it was safe -- some going as far as calling it and Obama a "POS."

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 03:42 PM

27. YEP.

 

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 12:28 PM

13. The two most absolutely meaningless words in the English language are...

"Trump said..."

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 12:30 PM

15. His healthcare plan is filed right next to his secret plan to beat ISIS.

In the ego-driven fantasies of his warped mind.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 12:34 PM

16. Feel free to trust dump...I'm not.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 12:34 PM

17. It's hard to say

 


What I get would be almost the same as ACA except maybe he wants a sort of medicaid expansion at a higher level.

http://ijr.com/2016/02/537107-5-times-donald-trump-praised-socialized-healthcare/

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 12:43 PM

20. He wants everyone to have access......

 

Yes it would be access to a $50 a month payment without any medicaid support that would be $10,000 deductable with a $20,000 lifetime cap. Yup, everyone would have access.

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Response to Jim Beard (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 01:40 PM

23. A $20,000 lifetime cap?

Yikes. Talk about a pig in a poke.

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Response to Jim Beard (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 04:03 PM

34. +1, Sanders was right... I have access to a billion dollar car but no money to buy it

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 01:38 PM

22. Like Bernie said . . .

. . . I have "access" to a $10,000,000 home. That doesn't mean I can afford to buy it.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 01:43 PM

24. If you think Drump is going to support single payer I'm Floyd Mayweather.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #24)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 03:46 PM

29. he obviously would not propose something he knows would never get thru congress

burn up his honeymoon over something he does not believe in?

hardly

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Response to dembotoz (Reply #29)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 04:03 PM

35. He's fuckin stupid... why is this is question?!!?

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 03:45 PM

28. It has been stated he really meant 'access for everyone'

probably via 'coupons or vouchers', not single payer medicare for all

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 03:46 PM

30. Trump is nothing but bullshit, and that's what his policies are.

 

This is a man who's incapable of compassion.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 03:56 PM

31. Pence said it will be "market based"-that means more privatizing,not Medicare for all

He said this yesterday while trying to clarify Trumps tweets

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 04:02 PM

33. Here, you might need to read this.


You'll hear a lot of terminology in the next few weeks. Here's how those terms translate to "the little guy is getting screwed while being told its a good thing."

https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/trumps-four-useless-alternatives-to-obamacare

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 04:24 PM

38. Medicare for all. Ban the states from restricting medical facilities.

 

Allow medical insurance to cross state lines.

Hospitals could price themselves for Medicare, then build luxury wings or luxury facilities for folks with separate insurance.

There. I have sold healthcare. Who wants to get some nachos?

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Response to AngryAmish (Reply #38)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 05:57 PM

40. That's my plan (NT)

 

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 04:35 PM

39. No

If he opened his mouth, he lied.

He has no idea what to do, and nor does the republican party. There's not a prayer that they will institute Medicare for all, as their goal for half a century has been to eliminate Medicare, in the same way that their goal for three quarters of a century has been to eradicate Social Security.

And now that they passed a bill preventing the CBO from analyzing anything related to the changes in Obamacare, there's not a chance that they will even know what the costs or savings would be either way.

We are entering an altered state of reality.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 10:10 PM

41. I don't think this is what the Trump voters thought they were getting.

 

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