Could Trump Be Proposing A Health Care Plan I Agree With?

[louis c]

Let's, for the moment, assume Trump is not lying this time (admittedly, an assumption that's difficult to make any time).

Trump has said that he will be unveiling a plan in 2 weeks that will "cover everyone". His HHS nominee, Rep. Price has said, under oath, that he has not discussed this plan with the President-Elect.

logically, (and again, there hasn't been any logical way of assessing anything political in the past 18 months), we can deduce something for sure. Donald Trump can in no way come up with a replacement health plan that covers every American, on his own, in two weeks, unless it's the simplest of plans.

The only assumption, beyond Trump bull-shit, is that the Trump plan is "Medicare for all". If that's his plan, he has my full support. If it's not, than we can call "bull-shit".

[guillaumeb]

1. Assuming that Trump is not lying is a huuuuuuuge leap of faith.

Trump and/or the GOP would never propose any version of single payer because it would drastically decrease the ability of American businesses to profit from health outcomes.

[stonecutter357]

2. i don't believe shit this POS has to say.

[louis c]

25. didn't President Obam say that if "they (including Trump) can come up with.............

a better plan than his, "they" would have his full support?

That's all I'm saying in my OP.

[stonecutter357]

32. and all i am saying is trump is a lying POS.

[COLGATE4]

36. In the words of one of TV's "judges"

"I wouldn't believe him if his tongue came notarized". Me, neither.

[tazkcmo]

26. Free Lunch

Tomorrow

[Wounded Bear]

4. Would be wonderful, but....

he's not a policy guy. He's there to sign bills passed by the Repub Congress.

This is, at best, another diversion.

[Saviolo]

5. "cover everyone" is bad translation of "universal access"

The GOP love to use the term "universal access" to health care, because it sounds like they want to offer health coverage to everyone. But what it really means is, everyone has access to health care, but they still have to pay for it. Just like everyone has access to shopping malls and fine dining. It has nothing to do with coverage.

If the plan is universal access, then yes, it covers everyone about the same. That is to say, not at all.

[Nay]

12. Exactly this. You can access a hospital or a doctor's office, but if you don't have

money or insurance, you don't get health care. It's a weaselly phrase that RWers use all the time. And if you DO have insurance, it'll be expensive, have a stratospheric deductible, and won't cover much.

[Yavin4]

6. Trump is a con man.

Everyone is going to see something in his proposals that they like because that is what con men do.

[ProfessorGAC]

14. "Art Of The Deal" Right Yav?

Make them think they're actually winning the deal and pull the cards back at the last second. That's what he's always done.

[Yavin4]

19. More like "Art of the Con".

It's all about getting you to have confidence in them, ergo "con men". So, of course, everyone is gong to see something that they like.

[ProfessorGAC]

21. Yeah, I Know

But he titled his book "deal". We all know what he meant was "con".

[dalton99a]

37. Precisely.

[hatrack]

7. No, he's lying. He lies about everything, all the time. He doesn't know the difference.

And when he's lied in one direction, he'll forget what he said, and just lie in the opposite direction the following day.

Believe. Nothing. He. Says.

[SidDithers]

8. No, it's more likely to be shit insurance for everyone...

with super high deductibles and exclusions out the wazoo.

Yes, you'll have coverage, but it won't do you any good.

Sid

[JTFrog]

9. Lol. nt

[StubbornThings]

10. Trump said something that polls well but he could never implement.

The "replacement" will be a disaster because it will be written by someone like Tom Price, Pence, or some other evil Republican.

If I were advising Trump and the Republicans I would tell them to take a trillion dollars and spend it on infrastructure. The GOP and their supporters don't care about spending when they are in power and everyone thinks our infrastructure needs to be fixed now. Plus, if done right, it could create some good paying jobs for a lot of people.

[Jim Beard]

18. Did you watch the Tom Price hearings yesterday?

I made a thread about it but it sunk. His only plan was everything we had in the past. Groups, High Risk pools and health Savings accounts. The old new plan.

[Hoyt]

11. At this point, we have little choice but to hope he delivers. Maybe folks shouldn't have bashed ACA

so much when we thought it was safe -- some going as far as calling it and Obama a "POS."

[bettyellen]

27. YEP.

[world wide wally]

13. The two most absolutely meaningless words in the English language are...

"Trump said..."

[Chemisse]

15. His healthcare plan is filed right next to his secret plan to beat ISIS.

In the ego-driven fantasies of his warped mind.

[Rustyeye77]

16. Feel free to trust dump...I'm not.

[hollowdweller]

17. It's hard to say

What I get would be almost the same as ACA except maybe he wants a sort of medicaid expansion at a higher level.

http://ijr.com/2016/02/537107-5-times-donald-trump-praised-socialized-healthcare/

[Jim Beard]

20. He wants everyone to have access......

Yes it would be access to a $50 a month payment without any medicaid support that would be $10,000 deductable with a $20,000 lifetime cap. Yup, everyone would have access.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

23. A $20,000 lifetime cap?

Yikes. Talk about a pig in a poke.

[uponit7771]

34. +1, Sanders was right... I have access to a billion dollar car but no money to buy it

[HughBeaumont]

22. Like Bernie said . . .

. . . I have "access" to a $10,000,000 home. That doesn't mean I can afford to buy it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. If you think Drump is going to support single payer I'm Floyd Mayweather.

[dembotoz]

29. he obviously would not propose something he knows would never get thru congress

burn up his honeymoon over something he does not believe in?

hardly

[uponit7771]

35. He's fuckin stupid... why is this is question?!!?

[HAB911]

28. It has been stated he really meant 'access for everyone'

probably via 'coupons or vouchers', not single payer medicare for all

[geek tragedy]

30. Trump is nothing but bullshit, and that's what his policies are.

This is a man who's incapable of compassion.

[wishstar]

31. Pence said it will be "market based"-that means more privatizing,not Medicare for all

He said this yesterday while trying to clarify Trumps tweets

[Pholus]

33. Here, you might need to read this.

You'll hear a lot of terminology in the next few weeks. Here's how those terms translate to "the little guy is getting screwed while being told its a good thing."

https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/trumps-four-useless-alternatives-to-obamacare

[AngryAmish]

38. Medicare for all. Ban the states from restricting medical facilities.

Allow medical insurance to cross state lines.

Hospitals could price themselves for Medicare, then build luxury wings or luxury facilities for folks with separate insurance.

There. I have sold healthcare. Who wants to get some nachos?

[louis c]

40. That's my plan (NT)

[matt819]

39. No

If he opened his mouth, he lied.

He has no idea what to do, and nor does the republican party. There's not a prayer that they will institute Medicare for all, as their goal for half a century has been to eliminate Medicare, in the same way that their goal for three quarters of a century has been to eradicate Social Security.

And now that they passed a bill preventing the CBO from analyzing anything related to the changes in Obamacare, there's not a chance that they will even know what the costs or savings would be either way.

We are entering an altered state of reality.

[Jim Beard]

41. I don't think this is what the Trump voters thought they were getting.