The Co-Chair of the Womens March actively campaigned against Hillary Clinton

[oberliner]

Linda Sarsour is one of the co-chairs of the march.

She actively and aggressively campaigned against Hillary Clinton, both in the primary (where she supported Bernie Sanders) and in the general (where she suggested people write-in Bernie Sanders or vote Jill Stein).

She is the reason Hillary was left off the list of honorees - as she has explained via Facebook.

To be so dismissive of Hillary Clinton, especially at this moment in history, is, to borrow a word, deplorable.

[LAS14]

1. This is awful!!! nt

[oberliner]

12. Consider signing this petition

#AddHerName: Include Hillary Clinton as a Women's March on Washington Honoree.

https://www.change.org/p/woman-s-march-on-washington-addhername-include-hillary-clinton-as-a-women-s-march-honoree?recruiter=868677&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=share_for_starters_page&utm_term=des-md-no_src-no_msg

Thanks!

[LAS14]

30. I did. Thanks.

[mcar]

48. Done!

[radical noodle]

72. Signed!! N/T

[Cha]

200. Signed!

[scscholar]

33. Agreed

These purity tests are killing us.

[brush]

180. What is with some of these Sanders supporters? Let the Hillary hate go already

Huge day coming up with the women's march and a co-chair Sanders supporter keeps Hillary, the first woman nominee for president of a major party, from being honored.

Way to divide the movement, undoubtedly full of Hillary supporters, before it even gets started.

What goes through these peoples' head to think that's a good idea?

Didn't we see enough of this divisiveness from them during the primaries?

[Cal Carpenter]

2. Welcome to the world of coalition-based, independent movements

[oberliner]

4. Some folks are pissed about them leaving HRC off their list of honorees

I really think the group ought to have included her, personally.

[Cal Carpenter]

13. That's all well and good but this is an independent movement

and none of their honorees are partisans. This is not an oversight, nor is it a slight against Clinton in particular. This is what effective social movements do.

You can read their entire set of Unity Principles by clicking "Click to Download Full PDF" at the top of this link:

https://www.womensmarch.com/principles/

The whole list of honorees is on that PDF

On the left side of that link, you'll see where you can see the stated mission and other details about it. If 'folks are pissed' then they can decide for themselves which side they're on.

[oberliner]

16. None of their honorees are partisans?

What are you talking about it?

One of them was a two-time Green Party Vice Presidential candidate.

Edit to add: You can support the principles of the march and still be pissed that HRC isn't on the honoree list.

[Cal Carpenter]

26. Fair enough, I missed that.

But in the grand scheme of things, as the vast majority of people on this site would agree, the Greens barely count when it comes to partisanship. They've never had a candidate win any federal office and there have been very few in state or even city positions. And some people will work with a party to run as a protest candidate simply because there is virtually no other way to get any attention or traction otherwise - this is more strategic than partisan.

For social movements to succeed, they must remain independent of major political parties which actually hold any power. This is almost universally true, particularly in the U.S. Any honest look at history shows you that parties are dragged kicking and screaming into change after years and even decades of work by independent activists. This is true from the the abolition of slavery to the New Deal to marriage equality.

And yes, one can be pissed about certain specifics but still ultimately support the cause. That's what I mean by deciding which side one is on.

[yardwork]

37. This doesn't sound independent to me at all.

It sounds like the organizers have a very strong partisan agenda. They campaigned against Hillary Clinton, both in the primaries and - indefensibly - in the GE.

I have family members and friends who will literally die if the ACA is repealed. I'm really not in the mood today to learn that the March organizers turn out to be complete assholes.

[pnwmom]

147. Not ALL the organizers. Many are strong Hillary supporters. It's a diverse group. n/t

[yardwork]

148. Well, it's troubling to me that at least one national co-chair helped Trump win.

I don't get it.

[pnwmom]

149. All the people who oppose DT need to work together now, no matter

who we supported in the past.

But they were wrong not to include the name of the woman who won the popular vote by 2.9 million votes.

[yardwork]

150. Does the co-chair oppose Trump? It's not clear to me that she does.

[pnwmom]

160. She is not "the co-chair" -- she is one of four.

She is an activist fighting for the rights of Muslims, so she is unlikely to be a DT supporter.

[Charles Bukowski]

174. By campaigning against

the only candidate capable of beating Shithead, she made today's events possible. She harmed those who she claims to fight for.

[pnwmom]

175. I see no indication that she campaigned against Hillary in the general.

And I'm glad Bernie and Hillary supporters are coming together for this march.

[yardwork]

178. Are you saying that the OP is incorrect?

[pnwmom]

188. I'm saying I did a google search and couldn't come up with a link.

Maybe the OP knows something but s/he didn't put a link in the OP, so there's nothing to confirm it.

The most I could find was a link to an article where she said Bernie supporters should stay active, and if you didn't live in a swing state, you could "vote your conscience." But if you did, you had a responsibility to vote to protect the most vulnerable from DT.

That's a critical IF.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-supporter-political-activism_us_57e93c56e4b0e80b1ba3137b

That’s the message from Linda Sarsour, a civil rights activist who supports Sanders. If you don’t live in a swing state ― New Hampshire, Nevada, Wisconsin or Virginia, to name a few ― “you can vote your conscience,” Sarsour said.

“Anyone you want. Write in Bernie. Vote Jill [Stein],” Sarsour suggested.

But if you do live in a swing state, she says you have a “responsibility to protect the most vulnerable,” whom Trump relentlessly attacks.

“(Trump is) prepared to suppress our movements,” she said, “crack down on us in ways we haven’t seen in our lifetime yet.”

[yardwork]

193. That's a direct quote encouraging people to vote against Hillary.

That's proof of what the OP said. That's what cost us the election and got us Trump.

[emulatorloo]

40. The first sentence is a quote from HRC's 1995 speech in Beijing. Yet they don't credit her

That's just weird to me. Seems pretty petty. This is their guiding principle:

"We believe that Women’s Rights are Human Rights and Human Rights are Women’s Rights."

Excerpt from HRC's speech on September 5th 1995, in Beijing, China:

https://m.

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You are right, the cause is bigger. It is weird but it shouldn't stop people from going.

[Cha]

199. "We believe that Womens Rights are Human Rights and Human Rights are Womens Rights."

Excerpt from HRC's speech on September 5th 1995, in Beijing, China:

Oh that's the uncredited quote I've been hearing about.. thank you!

[Cal Carpenter]

220. Clinton wasn't the first to use that phrase

and she won't be the last. Like the march itself, it is bigger than her. There's even a wiki page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_rights_are_human_rights

[Cha]

223. So? It came to prominence as the name of a speech given by Hillary Clinton, the First Lady of the

Women's rights are human rights. The First Lady Hillary Clinton during her speech in Beijing, China. ... It came to prominence as the name of a speech given by Hillary Clinton, the First Lady of the United States, on 5 September 1995, at the United Nations Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_rights_are_human_rights

No one is saying the March is about Hillary.. but leaving her name off the Honorees for Women who have paved the way for Women's Rights was insensitive to Millions of Women who have been inspired by her.

Michelle Obama's and a lot of other Women who have paved the way were missing too.

Hillary Clinton's Name Was Omitted From the Women's March Honoree List and People Are Angry

snip//

On Thursday, January 19, the movement released a document about its guiding vision and definition of principles, which included the names of 27 women who have "paved the way" for equal rights. Clinton, who was the first-ever female presidential nominee for a major political party, was not among them — and people took notice.

snip//

A petition on Change.org was created in light of the omission. "As activists and allies, we are dismayed that March organizers excluded Hillary Rodham Clinton as an honoree who has inspired women around the world to serve and to lead," the request reads.

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/hillary-clintons-name-left-off-womens-march-honoree-list-w462125

[oberliner]

58. There are other partisan political folks on the list as well, such as Bella Abzug and Barbara Jordan

I just think that Hillary ought to be among that group of honorees, under the circumstances, and I agree with those who are peeved that she was not included, and I think Ms. Sarsour's explanations for doing so are pretty weak.

There have been some interesting articles written about this march and some of the divisiveness that has emerged among some participants. I strongly support anyone who takes part in the march, but I also understand those who are frustrated with the leadership.

[Jim Beard]

129. For The Democrats to win,

make them come to us.

[DanTex]

202. The Greens definitely count when it comes to partisanship. They are Republican stooges.

The purpose of the Green Party is to dissuade people from voting for Democrats so that Republicans can take power. They've pulled it off twice in the last 16 years at the presidential level.

And the other problem with Green Party involvement is that most of the country views the Green Party as nutcases. The very worst thing that could happen with this march is if the Greens try to use it as a kind of recruiting tool, or a tool to increase their visibility.

[Jim Beard]

125. Sorry for them but I am very partisan.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. That's stupid, divisive and all kinds of wrong. But it shouldn't deter anyone

from participating. She's just one person out of many thousands. I wish I could be there and I wouldn't give a crap if one of the organizers is a nitwit.

[oberliner]

5. Agreed

It shouldn't deter anyone - but it is frustrating.

[kcr]

52. She's just the one person who organized it and can choose to add Hillary's name. I'm not going.

And I hope others join me in my decision.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

65. This is why Democrats lose elections they should win.

They spend too damn much time fighting among themselves over unimportant crap and taking offense over something or other instead of looking at the big picture and working together toward a goal.

[oberliner]

69. One can say that snubbing Hillary is why Democrats lose elections they should win

But we don't want to re-fight the primary here.

[yardwork]

73. Exactly.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

75. Snubbing Hillary regarding this march is stupid, but

it's the petty act of one person. That act by one person should not affect the larger purpose of the march, which is to show Trump and the GOP that women are united against them. Let the organizer know you are not pleased, wear a Hillary t-shirt, but GO!!

[oberliner]

85. That's not what the purpose of the march is

At least not according to the website.

They don't mention Trump at all.

[kcr]

80. She is the reason we lose. She actively campaigned against Hillary in the general for fuck's sake.

If I had known about this sooner I never would had anything to do with it. She's part of the reason we had to have one in the first place. Screw her.

[yardwork]

83. I agree completely.

[hollowdweller]

132. So we should just pick one primary candidate and then all vote for them?

Trump kicked ass on all the GOP opponents and then beat us. He had a lot of opponents.

Maybe the key to winning is a MORE knock down drag out primary, where all the soft spots get aimed at early?

I'm not sure what you are saying.

[deurbano]

170. Apparently she campaigned against Clinton in the general.

[keithbvadu2]

115. "and working together toward a goal" - Cut your nose off to spite your face

"instead of looking at the big picture"

Yep! You got it.

[Jim Beard]

134. When did the greens do anything for us except draw away votes........

Thats all they can do in Europe. They haven't out right won an election.

[pnwmom]

190. Not true. She's one of four co-chairs. And it's also not true that she worked

against Hillary in the general. No one should stay home because of this.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-supporter-political-activism_us_57e93c56e4b0e80b1ba3137b

That’s the message from Linda Sarsour, a civil rights activist who supports Sanders. If you don’t live in a swing state ― New Hampshire, Nevada, Wisconsin or Virginia, to name a few ― “you can vote your conscience,” Sarsour said.

“Anyone you want. Write in Bernie. Vote Jill ,” Sarsour suggested.

But if you do live in a swing state, she says you have a “responsibility to protect the most vulnerable,” whom Trump relentlessly attacks.

“(Trump is) prepared to suppress our movements,” she said, “crack down on us in ways we haven’t seen in our lifetime yet.”

[yardwork]

194. That is a direct quote of her working against Hillary in the GE.

[pnwmom]

198. No, it's a recognition of the critical role of the swing states.

And of the fact that she could have gotten 5 million more votes in the blue states and it wouldn't have mattered.

[yardwork]

213. Nobody thought Pennsylvania or Michigan were swing states.

This activist encouraged her thousands of followers to vote against Hillary. The phrase "vote your conscience" perpetuated the falsehood that Hillary was "almost as bad" as Trump.

Clinton lost by a few hundred thousand votes in a few states. This is why.

[pnwmom]

214. She lost by 80,000 in 3 states, including the swing states of PA and MI. n/t

[yardwork]

215. That is exactly my point.

[pnwmom]

217. No, it isn't. Those states are traditional swing states and she was NOT saying

it was okay to vote for Jill or Bernie there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swing_state

Election analytics website FiveThirtyEight identifies the states of Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin as "perennial" swing states that have regularly seen close contests over the last few presidential campaigns

[yardwork]

218. I disagree. Once the false narrative is out there it can't be controlled.

Every single person who perpetuated the falsehood that Hillary was almost as bad as Trump helped defeat Hillary. Once the falsehood is out there, it can't be controlled by adding little wimpy phrases like "but not in swing states."

Who knows how many people in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh and Ann Arbor and Detroit and Kalamazoo and Madison voted against Hillary because they were encouraged to "vote their conscience" and thought their states were "safe."

[killbotfactory]

6. The cause of the march is bigger than Hillary or a petty organizer.

At least it should be

[oberliner]

8. That is true

All of the principles identified are worthy of support, that's for sure.

But I think they ought to honor Hillary as well, especially now.

[oberliner]

10. That makes no sense

Why not just encourage them to include Hillary among the honorees?

I think that's a worthwhile effort.

[Arazi]

9. So now Bernie Sanders supporters are deplorable?!

Are you fucking kidding me?

That's bullshit. We need these folks on our side NOW to unify against the orange fuckstick.

JFC, stop fighting the primaries The election is over

[oberliner]

11. Bernie Sanders supporters are not deplorable

Leaving Hillary Clinton off a list of honorees for a march celebrating women trailblazers is deplorable.

[Arazi]

15. Same fucking thing. It's stupid

As someone else just mentioned, Susan B Anthony's name isnt on there either.

Are they SBA haters too?

This is why Dems are losing. This is petty divisive shit

[oberliner]

19. No, it's not

There is no reason why we can't encourage them to include Hillary on the list.

[yardwork]

22. I agree that it is petty and divisive of the organizers to disrespect Hillary this way.

The organizers should be ashamed of themselves. And bragging on Facebook about encouraging people to vote against Hillary in the GE?

Disgraceful.

Deplorable behavior. This is why we lost the election.

[hollowdweller]

122. Why don't they have her speak? Does anybody know if she is attending??

Women's issues are huge for her so you'd think she'd be marching with them, even if as a private citizen.

[Bettie]

183. I find it hard to believe she hasn't heard about it

or been contacted by one or more of the women there.

Maybe she didn't want to be involved. Maybe she didn't want to make it about her.

We. Do. Not. Know.

[Cha]

34. NO it is not the same.

[kcr]

60. How is it the same fucking thing?

Do all Bernie supporters get a free fucking card to do whatever fucking thing they fucking want and never get called on it, because if anybody every does call them on it, people get to cry and claim all Bernie supporters are being trashed and it's divisive?

Bull fucking shit!

[Arazi]

71. She actually got off her butt and organized! Did you?

To call her work deplorable is shameful. If you want a march organized your way, get out there and do.the fucking work.

This is a genius action. It's gotten a ton of publicity but yeah, feel free to shit on it because Hillary's name isnt on some stupid list. Well neither is Rosa Parks, or Susan B Anthony or Sally Ride etc etc etc

[oberliner]

91. She did not initiate it

Do you know how she became involved?

[oberliner]

101. What a hateful and divisive thing to say

This is why Democrats lose elections.

[Arazi]

105. No we lose because we get caught.up in this petty bullshit

Hillary would exhort us to march

[oberliner]

107. I exhort everyone to march

And respect and admire all who do so.

I also support those who are calling for Hillary's name to be added to the list (and I'm annoyed that Linda Sarsour, in particular, seems to be opposed to doing so).

But my annoyance at that is minor relative to the anger and sorrow I feel about Trump becoming POTUS - and I encourage marches, protests, and other similar expressions of those sentiments.

[Arazi]

109. Agreed 100%

[oberliner]

114. Glad we can find common ground

Here's hoping we can work together in spite of our various internal disagreements in support of the greater good.

That said, I do think it's OK to have internal disagreements and hash them out on places like DU.

[Cha]

197. No one is saying Not to March.. it was petty to leave Hillary name

off the list of Honorees for paving the way for Women's Rights. Michelle's too.


Women's March LV
?@WomensMarchLV
We honor those that have fought for us. That includes the woman that won 3,000,000 more votes! @HillaryClinton #WhyIMarch

https://twitter.com/WomensMarchLV/status/822258288091807744/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

[lapucelle]

89. The "divisive shit" was leaving Hillary's name off the list.

If you want to curse some out for being divisive, you should contact Sarsour. Her petty move will become the media's narrative tomorrow.

This is nothing but self-indulgent hubris. The march is about us, not Sarsour.

[oberliner]

97. It should

And the others you mentioned as well. They are pretty significant figures. Hillary seems the most egregious given the context, but there are strong arguments for those other women as well.

[Arazi]

100. Nobody here gives a shit @ them tho. This is Manufactured Outrage (tm)

It's divisive bullshit

[oberliner]

103. Well, the passion for Hillary is more immediate and current

Considering how many of us have been so personally invested in trying to get her elected to be the first female president over this past year and a half. I think that is why there is more of a reaction to her exclusion rather than the other worthy women you cited.

[apcalc]

204. Manufactured outrage , my ass.

[Cha]

208. Divisive is not putting Hillary's name on the list of Honorees..

who paved the way for Women's Rights

[yardwork]

216. Exactly. The false equivalencies have to stop.

[Cha]

222. They're all over the place.. permeating the board.

It's ridiculous. Trying to marginalize Hillary and those who care that she was left off the Honoree list while her quote from when she was in China is on the site uncredited.

"We believe that Womens Rights are Human Rights and Human Rights are Women's Rights."

Women's rights are human rights. The First Lady Hillary Clinton during her speech in Beijing, China. ... It came to prominence as the name of a speech given by Hillary Clinton, the First Lady of the United States, on 5 September 1995, at the United Nations Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_rights_are_human_rights

[lapucelle]

110. You wanna know what pisses me off?

Self-indulgent, petty, doctrinaire BoBs who put Trump in the White House and now seek to make this march about themselves rather than about us, that's what pisses me off .

Now excuse me while I put you on ignore.

[Jim Beard]

139. If it is a womans movement, why not? If you run out of ink writing those few names,

I will loan you my pen.

[Beartracks]

155. Likewise, the march is about us, not Clinton.

Just saying.

HOWEVER, I certainly think she should have been recognized, acknowledged, honored, etc. Her life and career and accomplishments are exemplary.

But I wouldn't let that particular organizer's omission (or bias or whatever) negate the support that this march/protest warrants from all Americans.

A friend of mine, a member of the Pantsuit Nation, traveled to DC today to attend, and I applaud her for it -- and she's apparently not bothered by the lack of Hillary's name on the roster, so neither am I.

I hope this march gets a lot of GOOD attention, and doesn't get over-shadowed by this dumb oversight.

=====================

[OrwellwasRight]

192. My name's not there either.

I'm boycotting!

[apcalc]

203. Thanks so much Arazi, for calling something important to us

' just stupid'.

Way to mininize people and their feelings...

Good luck with that.

[emulatorloo]

55. Stop shoving words in people's mouths.

As far as I can tell, it is Linda Saursour. who's obsessed w refighting the primary. She's the one Direct your ire at her.

[Arazi]

76. Yeah, I'm furious Rosa Parks name isn't on that list!!11!

No marching for me, no sirree!!11

An utter diss to civil rights pioneers

[oberliner]

96. Seems strange to have left her off the list as well

I wonder how they came to choose the women that they did.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

221. It's an odd list, given the ommissions. They shouldn't have included the list imo.

I hope people will proudly show their support for Hillary today and leave the fight over the list for later.

[emulatorloo]

119. I'm annoyed Sarsour used a HRC quote as their guiding principle but wont't credit it

At best, that's plagiarism. At worst, it's a petty move by a person who won't let go of primary 2016.

VALUES & PRINC IPLES
● We believe that Women’s Rights are Human Rights and Human Rights are Women’s Rights. This is the basic and original tenet from which all our values stem.

---------------------------------
HRC on September 5th 1995, in Beijing, China:

https://m.

"no marching for me, no sirree!!11" yea! More putting words in other people's mouths

This event is bigger than the pettiness of one of its organizers. I've only seen one person say they don't want to go now. I encouraged her to go.

[deurbano]

173. Yes.

[elmac]

108. No, but any Bernie supporter, like I was, am

who didn't support and vote for Hill in the GE would certainly fit the deplorable model.

[Arazi]

113. I dont fucking care one bit. Are you with us against the orange monster now?

For me, welcome to the loyal opposition.

It's time we worked together. We need each other now.

Welcome back

[elmac]

128. Hey, I don't care if she is a deplorable

as long as she puts the screws to sniffles. She will probably be working for fox news after this so might as well get a little use out of her.

[KT2000]

14. this sounds like an effort

to reduce turnout and it may be working. Think RW could be up to tricks?
As Dems we need to not be reactionary and keep our eyes on the big picture. We always get trapped by the edict that "you should only marry a virgin."

[oberliner]

20. I don't think so

I think that the leadership of the march are not fans of HRC particularly.

[FSogol]

86. especially the timing of it.

[hollowdweller]

126. It really does.

[RandiFan1290]

196. Several are obvious trolls

You will NEVER see them criticize anything on the right.

They ALWAYS attack the left.

[yardwork]

17. That's very disappointing. How petty of the organizers.

This is just becoming known today. People are upset and rightly so.

[oberliner]

23. Have you signed the petition?

https://www.change.org/p/woman-s-march-on-washington-addhername-include-hillary-clinton-as-a-women-s-march-honoree

[yardwork]

24. Done. Thank you for the link and this thread.

[LisaM]

32. I signed it.

It's like one last kick in the gut.

[Cha]

35. Signed! Mahalo for this convenient way to sign, oberliner!

[Cal Carpenter]

31. If people are just figuring this out today, they didn't do their homework

The principles, mission, and honorees have been online for several days, at least.

[Cha]

36. I found out yesterday.. we find out when we find out.

[Arazi]

44. +1000. This has been known for weeks

If you didn't like the organizers, start your own march

[yardwork]

57. The list of honorees was released yesterday, apparently.

[Arazi]

64. The goals, mission and organisers are no mystery. Why isn't Rosa Parks included?!11!!

Damn them!!111 now I refuse to go

shakes fist

[oberliner]

99. What an odd reaction

Why not just support those who are asking for Hillary to be recognized?

[Arazi]

104. Or recognize that the organizers get to structure this as they like

And if you don't like it, get up and make your own march.

What an odd reaction that now, at the literally 11th hour, a manufactured outrage comes up to divide us.

Hillary would exhort us to march. You and I know this. I hate seeing DUERS falling for divisive bullshit again

[oberliner]

106. A reasonable option is to sign a petition

suggesting that Hillary's name ought to be included. Perhaps if large numbers of us do that, the organizers will consider adding her name.

[apcalc]

205. Manufactured outrage ...you keep saying that

Who the hell are you to determine the source of , or minimize ,my outrage?

Exactly WHAT do you know about it?

Manufactured my ass.

[oberliner]

59. Or how about just encouraging them to include Hillary Clinton?

As thousands have done via the petition.

[yardwork]

45. You knew this and were fine with it?

[JI7]

18. everyone i have seen that are going supported hillary and don't know anything about this list

Or person behind it.

[oberliner]

21. Here is a link

https://peopledotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/25812-wmwguidingvision26definitionofprinciples.pdf

Edit to add:

And here's the petition with respect to HRC:

https://www.change.org/p/woman-s-march-on-washington-addhername-include-hillary-clinton-as-a-women-s-march-honoree

[JI7]

165. the problem is one person who seems like one of those career types

career leftist types who like to see republicans in office .

i think one reason people take issue is because she IS anti hillary and told people not to vote for hillary in the GE.

but all of the women i know who are marching are huge hillary supporters. and she IS a big part of the reason they are marching and showing how she got 3 million more than trump.

[Cha]

38. Good! Hillary's name should definitely be on the list whether

it's an over site or not.

[TrekLuver]

25. If Satan wants to organize a march against Trump than I'm going to attend...plus the

afterparty would probably be fun. LOL.

[elmac]

112. Satan would never organize a march against himself

but as they say, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[oberliner]

118. It's not a march against Trump

At least not according to the website and organizers.

[TrekLuver]

127. Yeah I know but for me it is. And the organizers can go and say whatever they want but

we all know that Trashpot has a little something to do with this march.

[oberliner]

131. I hear ya

And I think a lot of people agree with your sentiments.

[no_hypocrisy]

27. HRC should be LEADING the March.

[LisaM]

28. And, she kept it under wraps until the 11th hour.

When I see pictures of those planes full of women, laughing and chanting and ready to unite - and probably quite unaware of this slight - it makes my stomach hurt.

[Cal Carpenter]

42. No, she didn't keep it under wraps. The group's website is available to anyone

https://www.womensmarch.com/

The list of honorees, principles, coalition members, sponsors and everything else is right there.

I find it hard to believe that many of the people going aren't aware of what they are going to.

I'm flabbergasted by this thread.

[LisaM]

53. The list of names was put up on the 19th.

I heard about it today. Well, the backlash on the site is fierce.

[Jim Beard]

140. The 19th, yesterday?

[LisaM]

189. Correct.

Sigh.

[Cal Carpenter]

211. No. It was released on the 12th or maybe earlier

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2017/01/12/the_women_s_march_on_washington_has_released_its_platform_and_it_is_unapologetically.html

There is a hyperlink to the full PDF including the list of honorees in that article from the 12th. I'm not sure when the PDF was put up but it was the 12th at the latest as the article on Slate shows.

[Cal Carpenter]

210. This is NOT true. This was released on the 12th or earlier

The list of names is on the pdf linked in this article on Slate:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2017/01/12/the_women_s_march_on_washington_has_released_its_platform_and_it_is_unapologetically.html

That's where and when I saw it. You keep repeating that this list was not released until the 19th. This is totally false.

[cynatnite]

29. I'm wearing my "A woman's place is in the White House" shirt tomorrow. n/t

[elmac]

116. That is great

and so very true.

[Cal Carpenter]

39. For those who are surprised by any of this, I suggest visiting this site:

https://www.womensmarch.com/

This information is publicly available. The principles and vision, the honorees, the organizations which have joined the coalition and sponsored the march, it's all right there.

[LisaM]

138. The list was released yesterday.

Most people heard about it today. I don't know how many ways I can say this.

[jalan48]

41. I'm a bit behind the times here. What is the stated purpose of the march?

Is it strictly about women? Thanks.

[Cal Carpenter]

43. Website here:

https://www.womensmarch.com/

[jalan48]

54. Thanks-as I read the FAQ page the march is about "women's rights as human rights".

[oberliner]

63. Yes, Hillary's famous phrase was used, but Hillary herself was left off the honoree list

Which was released yesterday.

Hence the online reaction - and this thread from me.

[jalan48]

68. It seems to be a big omission. She was the first female candidate for President, like her or not.

[KingCharlemagne]

177. Well, actually, Shirley Chisholm was the first female candidate for President, from either of

the two major political parties. Back in 1972. She would have made an awesome Prez too.

[jalan48]

179. True-I should have said major party.

[KingCharlemagne]

181. LOL - Shirley Chisholm was a great Democrat, but she did not

get the nomination.

Hillary was not the first female candidate for POTUS, but she was the first major-party nominee.

Pedantic itch scratched. Now back to regular programming.

[emulatorloo]

66. A little reminder for us: Excerpt from HRC's speech on September 5th 1995, in Beijing, China

https://m.

[HoneyBadger]

56. Not exactly, it is about rights

Mission & Vision

We stand together in solidarity with our partners and children for the protection of our rights, our safety, our health, and our families - recognizing that our vibrant and diverse communities are the strength of our country.



OUR MISSION

The rhetoric of the past election cycle has insulted, demonized, and threatened many of us - immigrants of all statuses, Muslims and those of diverse religious faiths, people who identify as LGBTQIA, Native people, Black and Brown people, people with disabilities, survivors of sexual assault - and our communities are hurting and scared. We are confronted with the question of how to move forward in the face of national and international concern and fear.

In the spirit of democracy and honoring the champions of human rights, dignity, and justice who have come before us, we join in diversity to show our presence in numbers too great to ignore. The Women’s March on Washington will send a bold message to our new government on their first day in office, and to the world that women's rights are human rights. We stand together, recognizing that defending the most marginalized among us is defending all of us.

We support the advocacy and resistance movements that reflect our multiple and intersecting identities. We call on all defenders of human rights to join us. This march is the first step towards unifying our communities, grounded in new relationships, to create change from the grassroots level up. We will not rest until women have parity and equity at all levels of leadership in society. We work peacefully while recognizing there is no true peace without justice and equity for all.

HEAR OUR VOICE.
“
It is not our differences that divide us. It is our inability to recognize, accept, and celebrate those differences.
— Audre Lorde
GUIDING PRINCIPLES

Women’s rights are human rights, regardless of a woman’s race, ethnicity, religion, immigration status, sexual identity, gender expression, economic status, age or disability. We practice empathy with the intent to learn about the intersecting identities of each other. We will suspend our first judgement and do our best to lead without ego. We follow the principles of Kingian nonviolence, which are defined as follows:

Principle 1: Nonviolence is a way of life for courageous people. It is a positive force confronting the forces of injustice and utilizes the righteous indignation and spiritual, emotional, and intellectual capabilities of people as the vital force for change and reconciliation.

Principle 2: The Beloved Community is the framework for the future. The nonviolent concept is an overall effort to achieve a reconciled world by raising the level of relationships among people to a height where justice prevails and persons attain their full human potential.

Principle 3: Attack forces of evil, not persons doing evil. The nonviolent approach helps one analyze the fundamental conditions, policies and practices of the conflict rather than reacting to one’s opponents or their personalities.

Principle 4: Accept suffering without retaliation for the sake of the cause to achieve our goal. Self-chosen suffering is redemptive and helps the movement grow in a spiritual as well as a humanitarian dimension. The moral authority of voluntary suffering for a goal communicates the concern to one’s own friends and community as well as to the opponent.

Principle 5: Avoid internal violence of the spirit as well as external physical violence. The nonviolent attitude permeates all aspects of the campaign. It provides a mirror type reflection of the reality of the condition to one’s opponent and the community at large. Specific activities must be designed to maintain a high level of spirit and morale during a nonviolent campaign.

[jalan48]

61. Thank you-this was very helpful.

[LisaM]

62. Of course it's about rights. That's not the point.

The point is that they decided to have a list - maybe they shouldn't have - and she was deliberately left off. The list was only made public yesterday. Tens of thousands of women who voted for Hillary are travelling to this march from all over the country. They are probably completely unaware of this.

The list was likely released late with good reason. It would have depressed attendance.

Now, it's just creating needless division.

[Arazi]

90. Rosa Parks, Susan B Anthony, Marie Curie - also left off

Also women pioneers for womens/human rights.

If you wanted this march to have a different list of names, then feel free to organize your own march

[democratisphere]

46. She needs to get on the right side of the sh't quick.

Idiot.

[Warpy]

47. I think it's a good idea NOT to make it about politicians

I don't give a flying fuck if she supported Jill Stein or Minnie Mouse, either.

This is not about Clinton or Sanders or even the organizers. This is about ALL WOMEN who are at risk because of Trump and his followers and their toxic masculinity and the rollback of our basic rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It's serving notice on every macho bastard and lady who hates women that we're not going to go back, no matter how many stupid laws they try to pass.

Clinton is not being snubbed. She can march with the rest and I think a lot of people would be glad to see her join.

Trying to make this all about her is missing the point completely

[eShirl]

201. THIS

FFS, THIS

[KittyWampus]

49. Wear Your Hillary Gear, Problem Solved.

[JHan]

50. Hillary Supporters need to shout her name and make their presence felt...

It was a bullshyte move and not surprising coming from Linda, but the march is important.

[gwheezie]

51. Hate this but still going

I think it's stupid on this person's part. I was disappointed with Bernie & many of his supporters. That being said, I am going to the rally & I will carry Hillary's name in large letters on my jacket.
My main objective is that ASAP after the inauguration we get visible quick to make a statement that Trump represents a minority of Americans. I also think there are people with their own narrow agenda that are trying to divide the opposition. I see this as a starting point to finding how I'm going to proceed, because I intend to fight Trump & the right-wing loon agenda every day.

[chillfactor]

67. god I wish you people would quit with this BS already...

this march is NOT about Hillary...I supported her, I voted for her.....but posters like you are making this into a fight of us against them. I find it disgusting and self-defeating.

[oberliner]

144. Huh?

Posters like me?

Jeez, this is a discussion forum, right?

1. Hillary is great
2. Bernie is great
3. The march is great
4. Everyone should attend who can
5. We should all stand together against Trump
6. We should all fight for the values and principles we believe in
7. Hillary should've been included on the list of honorees

Is it really so controversial to hold those views - and "disgusting" to want to talk about one of them here.

For me, there ought to be more to DU than just agreeing with everything completely.

[truebluegreen]

70. I don't care.

This march isn't about one person, Linda Sarsour or Hillary Clinton.

This is about all women (and men supporting them) protesting Trump and his goon government. I'm marching in my city, what everybody else does is up to them, but the more the merrier.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

74. And so of course this means the entire march

isn't that relevant.

Oh, wait. Hillary Clinton isn't the point of this march. Being opposed to Trump IS.

[nolabear]

77. Hold together, people. Don't let posts like this divide us.

The bigger picture is us, not Hillary or whatever someone did to her. I'm sorry she did but we have to stand together.

Divisive.

[OrwellwasRight]

78. Who cares?

This is not about getting a do over on the election. This is about women's rights and women's lives.

Is this a progressive board or an HRC fan board? There are more Democrats than just HRC.

[oberliner]

164. Can progressives have arguments with one another?

Or do we have to agree completely about everything?

[OrwellwasRight]

191. According to you,

it is "deplorable" to have this march not be about Hillary Clinton. So your post to me is about stamping out any remnant of the party that is not about elevating Hillary Clinton. So you should be asking yourself that question, not me.

[oberliner]

212. Not true

Leaving Hillary off the list of women being honored by the march is deplorable, in my opinion.

I think the march definitely should not be about Hillary Clinton. I just think she ought to be included as one of the women on that list (alongside Winona LaDuke and Corazon Aquino and the dozens of others that were on there).

[LisaM]

79. This is SO typical. Hillary is needlessly insulted. People who like her speak up.

Then it's thrown back at us like we're the problem. No. It was an intended insult. The march was never about her. Now it is. And it's not because of us and it's not because of Hillary either.

[still_one]

81. Thanks for the heads up Ob. I signed the petition and will be their

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along with my Hillary pins

I'll be marching, NOT for sarsour, but for Women who have been discriminated against simply because of their gender, for Planned Parenthood, and other groups and organizations that have fought for women's rights, and for individuals such has Hillary who have fought their entire lives for women's rights.

[Turn CO Blue]

82. and yet Dolores Huerta and Gloria Steinem (also Co-Chairs) campaigned for Hillary.

Please put all the facts out there.

Is that you -- David Brock?

[oberliner]

163. David Brock?

I support getting all the facts out there. Lots of pro-Hillary people are supporting the march. I am supporting the march. This doesn't impact that for me, at all.

[RandySF]

84. If she campaigned against Hillary in the general

she is no better than the Russians or other deplorables.

[yardwork]

95. Exactly.

[liquid diamond]

123. I have more respect

for a trump supporter than these fucking traitors.

[HopeAgain]

87. On local NPR here in Florida

they said that the organizers discourage signs and rhetoric against any individual, including Trump, at the local March in support of the National march.

My wife and I said if it is timed like it is, and it's not anti-Trump, than fuck it, we're not going. A message needs to be clearly sent to this President.

[Raine]

88. So, I guess getting out and showing Trump we won't tolerate his crap

isn't worth doing because feelings are hurt. What is the point of all this dumping on the eve of the march, to keep numbers low, hmmm.

[oberliner]

161. This is a discussion board, isn't it?

Can't we have a discussion? I really really don't think doing that will keep numbers low.

[matt819]

92. Okay

It's awful. Misguided. Short-sighted.

But don't let that guide your support of snd participation in tomorrow's snd other protests.

[yardwork]

93. I notice the posters claiming this is fake are ignoring this thread and links.

[BainsBane]

227. They are fooling no one.

[Equinox Moon]

102. I had a thought...

Is it possible this is a rumor/meme to sabotage the Women's March?

[oberliner]

117. Check out this article

Agenda for Women’s March has been hijacked by organizers bent on highlighting women’s differences

http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2017/01/19/agenda-for-womens-march-on-washington-has-been-hijacked-by-organizers-bent-on-highlighting-womens-differences/

I think it's reasonable to say that there is some actual legitimate friction even among those of us who are ostensibly on the same side.

[janx]

120. Maybe or maybe not, but it's a media/social media mess.

https://www.facebook.com/lsarsour/photos/a.521294454717797.1073741825.521294318051144/521294461384463/?type=1&theater

[liquid diamond]

111. We continue to shoot

ourselves in the foot even though division cost was the presidential election. This is so fucking stupid. We haven't learned shit.

[elmac]

121. circular firing squad

yes, we must be very careful of this, we need to forget about who did what to whom and worry about what we can do to sniffles.

[Skittles]

124. careful

or some asshole DUer will tell you this is MANUFACTURED OUTRAGE

[oberliner]

159. Discussion forums are for discussions

At least that's the way I look at it.

[juxtaposed]

130. o my dog,,, pitch forks and torches folks, circle our outrage and get her!!

give it a frigging break hrc lost only b/c she was hrc. The right wing had her beat years before she ran. No fault of her. 24-7 for years every person that spent time in cars or trucks heard endless babble about her.

[Jakes Progress]

184. o my god,, the ignorance.

[marlakay]

133. Yes its shitty but what is your goal

With this post? I had never heard of her before and plan to attend local march.

It is very very important women are out there, if the person who started it screwed up ignore her, it has been taken on by millions of women i would bet who are just like me wanting to support all women!

[oberliner]

135. Let's try to get Hillary included as an honoree

I posted a link to a petition in support of that upthread.

[marlakay]

136. We can do that without spreading disharmony

Here. If this place can't come together how can the rest of the country?

[oberliner]

142. Discussion forums are for discussions

It's okay to have disagreements and express annoyance and frustration with things we don't agree with (even if they are minor in comparison to the big picture struggles we are facing).

[JoeOtterbein]

137. THE GOP wants you to stay home, please don't listen!

[oberliner]

157. No one should stay home

People should go to the march, and also maybe sign the petition to get Hillary included among the honorees.

[Uponthegears]

141. Every time another Hillary supporter

Posts this divisive stuff, I hope people take the time to actually look at the National co-chairs of the Women's March

Notice anything about it?????

Anything at all?????

https://www.womensmarch.com/team/

An abundance of Hillary supporters, perhaps?

But NOOOOOOO, you single out one Bernie supporter and try to make it all about an intentional slight against Hillary,

Yea, that's it, this group of women, which just happens to include one of Hillary's campaign co-chairs, got together to slap you in the face.

This is a manufactured outrage.

[oberliner]

143. Facts are facts

This particular person does not like Hillary and campaigned against her. She is now trying to defend why Hillary was not included on the list of honorees. My view is that Hillary should be included - and, given the context, it's ridiculous not to do so.

That said, I think everyone should take part in this march if they are able to. It will be a great statement against Trump and in support of the values and principles we share.

There is no reason why we can't also sign a petition encouraging Hillary to be added to the list and express our feelings about the fact that she was not initially included.

There is no outrage. Just a discussion on a discussion forum.

[Uponthegears]

146. I'm willing to take you at your word

But read the comments . . . There are more than a few people who now say they are staying home.

Thank you for going, but trying to spin the presence of a single aggressively anti-Hillary co-chair (like Mansour) - can't deny that, she was not a help in the GE - into an accusation that a group of women that included one of Hillary's Clinton's 2016 campaign co-chairs intentionally slapped her in the face is pretty suspect.

[oberliner]

151. Your point is taken

My only beef here is with Sarsour. My annoyance with her does not dampen my support for the march.

I would encourage people, though, to sign the petition calling for Hillary to be included in the list of honorees.

[Uponthegears]

176. Terrific post

I'm no fan of Mansour or anyone else who abandoned Hillary.

I campaigned for Bernie up until the Convention and then went back through the communities where I'd worked and beat the streets for Hillary. This election meant so much to people who look like me that there was no way I was going to not do everything I could to beat the orange pustule.

I'm just tired of the same small group looking for any reason they can find to blame people for supporting Sanders.

Thank you again for going

[brush]

187. So why is Hillary not one of the honorees? The thought of her being excluded is ridiculous...

to the extreme.

[Uponthegears]

195. While anything I say

Would be nothing but speculation, I would forward two possibilities. The first is pretty much of an Occam's Razor . . . she was simply overlooked in the first instance and the astoundingly divisive and accusatory response by her supporters was undermining and diverting from the objective of the march (which was not to honor great women in history but to stand up for all women of the present) that organizers decided it was best to not lend credence to the false accusations being made by affording them the dignity of a response. The second is that there was a conscious decision that attaching Hillary's name to the run would allow it to be portrayed by a media enamoured with Trump as just more complaining about the election.

Obviously I don't know the answer, but IMHO either of these is more likely than one person on the committee convincing folks who generally supported Hillary that they should slap Hillary in the face.

[brush]

206. There are other honorees, right? How would Hillary being one mark the day as a tribute to her?

[Uponthegears]

207. Because the MSM hates us

AND hates Hillary even more AND would not hesitate for a moment to make this look like just more complaining about the election instead of a message of resistance.

Same caveat though, I have no inside information, I'm just trying to answer your question.

[Equinox Moon]

145. FAKE NEWS MANIA!

Do not let grabberman and his cronies sabotage the Women's March by spreading memes. Think about it. Trump does not want the Women's March to be more successful than the low turnout inauguration.

Don't let them stop our movement!!!

[oberliner]

156. I want the march to be succesful

I think it's OK to go on a message board like this one and have a discussion like this without causing any negative impact on the march itself that I support wholeheartedly.

[Bettie]

182. Exactly the point

they don't want this to be bigger than his sad little party.

So, they work to ensure that many people will stay away.

Seems to be working for people here.

[DefenseLawyer]

152. Hillary's campaign is over. n/t

[BainsBane]

226. It is, because of people like Sarsour

And her president Trump she worked so hard to elect. She owns this shit. That she pretends to be part of the opposition when she led the collaboration shows the duplicitousness of deplorables like her.

[oberliner]

154. Thanks for deleting the obscenities

I am not really meaning to make a point about why Hillary lost (while winning the popular vote by millions).

I am just saying that this particular person is anti-Hillary and I think it's stupid not to include HRC among the honorees for this particular march under the circumstances.

[KittyWampus]

158. I have my own opinions on why this thread was started.

[oberliner]

166. What are they?

I always appreciate your insights and reflections.

[melman]

162. Who give a fuck

God, what a ridiculous non-issue. Three threads about this bullshit!

[oberliner]

168. Almost 7,000 people have signed the petition so far

So, at least that many.

[Cha]

209. It's not a non issue to all those who have signed the petition

including me.

[myrna minx]

167. Wow - there sure have been many attempts to make sure this march doesn't happen

or to depress turnout.

[KittyWampus]

169. Yup. Make a note of who is doing it.

[oberliner]

172. Why?

To what end?

[oberliner]

171. The march will definitely happen

And everyone on DU who is able to go, should.

That has nothing to do with this thread.

[Jakes Progress]

185. "Don't blame me. I voted for Hillary"

Put that on a sign and join us in the march.

To hell with this petty, unknown twit.

[BainsBane]

228. Yes! I'm taking my Hillary sign!

[fishwax]

186. I don't think she campaigned against Hillary in the general election

She did say that voters in non-swing states could "vote their conscience," but also said that it was essential that Sanders supporters help to ensure Clinton's election and Trump's defeat.

I think the snub of Clinton's legacy in the march tomorrow is a shame, but I don't think all the attacks on Sarsour or the speech are much better, in the grand scheme of things.

[SidDithers]

219. Wonder what her JPR name is...nt

Sid

[BainsBane]

225. She campaigned for Trump

She worked to put that asshole in office. He is her president.

I'm taking my Hillary sign to the rally today. Fick the ratfucking Trump enablers. Every person who does from loss of medical insurance or Social Security is on her and those like her. Trump would not be president wi gout he cooperation of her and those like her.