Do you agree with me that it is your patriotic duty to punch a NAZI

[DemocratSinceBirth]

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[MrScorpio]

1. Nazi punching is a great American tradition

FDT.

[workinclasszero]

23. Yep

My daddy and uncles did more than punch the bastards in WW2, that's for sure!

[MrScorpio]

34. Damn skippy!

FDT.

[guillaumeb]

2. Act like a NAZI as a means of protesting what a NAZI is saying?

Which leads to what exactly?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. My old man was ordered to kill NAZIS in WW ll

In carrying out that order he took shrapnel to the gut and eye causing blindness in that eye in the Battle Of North Africa. He also contacted malaria.


Spencer got off easy.

[guillaumeb]

10. Violence will be used by Spencer as a recruiting tool.

And using violence only validates violence as an acceptable response.

[rzemanfl]

81. My old man was ordered to kill Nazi's too. He was luckier with the shrapenel (hit his shoulder) in

France.

[Wounded Bear]

3. I'm sure that was "accidental"....

[NCjack]

17. Not accidental. I saw the clip. It was self-defense.

[Wounded Bear]

19. Guess you missed the intended sarcasm...

I put it in air quotes, added an evil smiley face.

[NCjack]

20. My sarcasm piling on your sarcasm failed.

[Orrex]

30. You're both wrong

That big dumb Nazi clearly punched that other man's fist with his big dumb Nazi face.

[NCjack]

37. I did not see that inversion of the event. It is possible, in a Conway

framework of Palinese truthiness.

[Orrex]

39. You're getting bogged down by your "alternative facts"

My facts are the best facts, everyone says so.

[roamer65]

4. In WW2, it was our patriotic duty to kill them.

So Richard should consider himself lucky it was just a punch.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. ...

[backscatter712]

12. Oh noes! A liberal college professor punching a servicemember for his political views!

Everyone to the safe space!!!

[TrekLuver]

6. They way I saw the video is this Spencer guy is quite clumsy. He tripped and fell right into that

fist. Tsk Tsk Tsk.

[speaktruthtopower]

7. There are no real Nazis..

it's usually a shtick to get attention for one purpose or another.

[bluedigger]

11. The quickest way to tell is to punch one.

If you're fist passes right through them, they didn't really exist.

[Orrex]

32. Ok, I LOL'ed.

[shenmue]

53. I wish

[bravenak]

8. American tradition forces us to punch nazis

We must or else

[SidDithers]

13. Yes...nt

Sid

[Scurrilous]

14. Nazi Gets Punched In The Face, Internet Celebrates

<snip>

"Punching Nazis is something of a time honored tradition in the United States. So is making memes. It seems natural then that the Internet wouldn’t waste any time in making a video of white supremacist and neo-Nazi Richard Spencer getting punched in the face go viral."

http://kotaku.com/nazi-gets-punched-in-the-face-internet-celebrates-1791469552

[uponit7771]

15. We can "punch" Nazis in a multitude of ways

[workinclasszero]

16. Easier to punch them now than

when they are loading you into cattle cars headed to the death camps.

And that scum sucking little nazi bastard would do that to all democrats and Jews if he had the power, believe it.

[temporary311]

18. I defer to Captain America and Woody Allen on this

[Buckeye_Democrat]

22. OMG! I must've missed that Woody Allen movie!

[oberliner]

35. You missed Manhattan?

Isn't that his best known movie?

[Buckeye_Democrat]

40. Maybe Annie Hall is more acclaimed? Yes, I never saw Manhattan.

I might have to download it.

[oberliner]

43. Maybe so

Definitely check out Manhattan - though, it is a little creepy considering Woody Allen's personal life.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

45. I just looked at the plot summary and see what you mean.

The life of a divorced television writer dating a teenage girl is further complicated when he falls in love with his best friend's mistress.

Woody's "Oedipus Wrecks", one of three mini-movies shown in "New York Stories" (1989), made me laugh the hardest among any of his movies. I think I was disturbing people in the theater with my tears and uncontrolled laughter.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

46. This scene from Annie Hall reminds me of my mother...

and still cracks me up too.

[oberliner]

47. Yes, Annie Hall is great

So many hilarious moments.

[leftynyc]

64. He won an oscar for Annie Hall (nt)

[oberliner]

67. I think Manhattan was his highest grossing movie, though

Until Midnight in Paris.

[underpants]

26. Woody!

[BlancheSplanchnik]

58. I liked that! Perfect.

I like his movies a LOT.
Shame that one has to feel guilty about that. Too many artistic geniuses with fatal flaws.

[lame54]

21. What would John Wayne do?...

besides black-listing people for their beliefs

[workinclasszero]

24. Know your enemy...these punks will put you in your grave if given a chance

[Eleanors38]

70. Yep. But the consequences are more than A&B. They'll kill you, if possible. NT

[struggle4progress]

25. I believe it is my patriotic to use non-violent methods to the fullest extent possible

It's much easier to destroy civil society than to regain it, once it's been lost

[MountCleaners]

87. I agree

I am an anti-Nazi. I have been stalked and threatened by Nazis. As an anti-Nazi and anti-fascist, I believe I must behave ethically. Violence is a last resort. Also, Martin Luther King, Jr. is one of my heroes.

[HopeAgain]

27. I do wonder if I have become a bad person...

because I keep going back to viewing the video to pick me up when I feel depressed.

[NobodyHere]

28. Can we punch Communists and Muslims too?

[Charles Bukowski]

36. Muslims and Communists equal... Nazis??

There's so much fail in your post, I don't know where to begin.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. Did a poster just compare Muslims to NAZIS?/nt

[emulatorloo]

84. Yes. And Communists.

Typical DU bullshit.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

85. Odd response

It would be akin to my asking if it is ok to punch a pedophile and my interlocutor asking if it's okay to punch a numismatist.

[emulatorloo]

86. Yeah very odd. He's putting words in your mouth to make you look bad.

BTW I seriously doubt a Nazi would have any problem punching a Muslim or a Communist. That's the sort of thing they are really into.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. Are you suggesting Communists and Muslims are NAZIS?

Can we punch Communists and Muslims too?

-NobodyHere

[leftynyc]

65. Are they comparable

in your eyes? Please elaborate.

[Yupster]

100. I think he is trying to ask a good question

Which groups are we okay to punch? and do we each get to choose our own groups to punch?

I voted no.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

118. NAZISM is an eliminationist philosophy . Islam isn't.

NAZISM is an eliminationist philosophy . Islam isn't. It's a false equivalency and hence a logical fallacy.


And this is, respectfully, a slippery slope argument which is also a logical fallacy:

Which groups are we okay to punch? and do we each get to choose our own groups to punch?

-Yupster

Example-

X says it ok to punch NAZIS. Pretty soon he will be saying it's ok to punch numismatists.

[Rex]

29. If it is what Captain America would do, than I am all for it!

Capt knows what is best for America!

[Orrex]

31. It's part of a long tradition

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-pae-0IqjrWA/TkWRynFvn-I/AAAAAAAABW4/Y8BZkMaju4g/s1600/Cap+punches+Hitler+color.jpg

[Initech]

33. Aldo Raine would approve!

[sarisataka]

38. Waiting until a NAZI

is walking alone and having 3-4 people punch him (and kick him and stomp him) will shut him up for a longer time...
Just sayin'

[Charles Bukowski]

44. People act like the Nazis were born at the Nuremberg rallies

or the invasion of Poland. They forget their extremely modest origins.

White supremacists (under the more benign alias "The Alt Right) just helped install a dirty bigot in the White House. They are RESURGENT.

Treat these scumbags as harmless exercisers of free speech at your peril.

[tritsofme]

48. This applause of violence is a sad reflection on our era

[DemocratSinceBirth]

49. "For us it is conquer or die...Hail Trump..." -Richard Spencer

Sounds like he wants to kill me

[nini]

69. Bullshit.. you can't play nice with those evil bastards

They need to be stopped before we end up like Germany in the 30s..this is how this stuff gets started and creeps in to take over.

My dad didn't fight in WWII against those pigs to have us play nice with them now.

[tritsofme]

88. So at what point is violence justifiable against your political opponents?

How much violence is justified? Or does it depend on how much you dislike that particular person or idea?

[nini]

89. Are you shitting me?

We're talking Nazis here. Someone who says he'd like to see the extermination of minorities and all that stuff that goes with his twisted view.

Go ahead and keep your pious purity.

[tritsofme]

92. You are no better.

If you advocate violence against your opponents.

When the Nazis came to march in front of the homes of Holocaust survivors here in Skokie, they were not welcomed, but the ACLU made sure that free speech was protected.

If you punch someone because you don't like their speech, I hope you go to jail.

[nini]

93. You hope I go to jail

thanks!!!

[melman]

78. It's all empty talk anyway

I seriously doubt the OP is out doing any punching.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

122. I almost punched one with the emphasis on almost

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8535197

[melman]

124. High school is a different thing

You can get away with it there.

Out in the real world punching has consequences.

You can get your ass kicked (and maybe much worse) and you can get arrested. Or possibly both.

It's easy for the 93 people that recced this to talk tough online. But would they really follow through and do it in reality?

Doubtful.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

127. That guy hit Spencer and ran away. I have a problem with that.

That guy hit Spencer and ran away. I have a problem with that. If he was so inclined he should have challenged him to a fight with rules.

As to my query it was more of a metaphorical or rhetorical question. I doubt any of us are looking for NAZIS to punch.

[rumdude]

99. It truly is...

[heaven05]

50. it's called preemptive

strike.....what can be said????? given the chance he WILL be ready to kill people different from him...I do not feel sorry for this POS

[BlueCaliDem]

51. Yes! Whenever, wherever you can. eom

[wildeyed]

52. He deserved to be punched just for being such an insufferable, self absorbed

spoiled little douchebag. Going on about the differences between the various supremacist hate groups like his flavor of nasty is so super special and unique. NO! If you have to make the distinction between neo-nazi and whatever that genocidal fratboy advocates, then you already lost the decent people.

[VOX]

54. Like Joe Louis punched Germany's Max Schmeling on 6/22/1938...

In their second matchup. Louis lost the first, but when they met again, Louis delivered a first-round knockout.

[FuzzyRabbit]

55. Richard Spencer got off easy.

Richard Spencer would do much worse. If he could, he would murder millions of Jews, Blacks, and other human beings that do not fit into his twisted idea of how the world should be.

[Hoyt]

56. Poor guy . . . . . . he could have hurt his hand.

[Gothmog]

57. There have been some fun treatment of this punch

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My son sent me a text with fight song added

[DemocratSinceBirth]

59. ...

[Gothmog]

60. From my twitter feed

[workinclasszero]

61. LOL

[cynatnite]

62. It would be my patriotic duty to spill a staining liquid on the front of his pants...

After an accidental bump, of course.

My hands are too valuable to punch a nazi.

[brooklynite]

63. Remember when a protestor at a Trump rally was sucker punched? Did you support that?

[leftynyc]

66. No - he wasn't a nazi

Spencer is. He wants to kill me and I want to kill him first. Does that make me bad person?

[brooklynite]

68. Yes it does...

If he wants to kill you, or even wants to hit you (you can prove that?), call the police. We don't engage in vigilante "justice".

[DemocratSinceBirth]

75. I remember the movie "Holocaust" from when I was a kid

There was a NAZI who some Jews showed mercy toward. He ended up turning them in.

[brooklynite]

77. ...and when we live in a fascist dictatorship, you can apply different principles...

The very fact that you're here writing critical pieces about President Trump and his supporters suggests otherwise.

Reminder - I HAVE lived in a dictatorship with censorship and military suppression of civil rights. This isn't one.

[leftynyc]

83. Nope - I don't accept that

If more Germans had did what that guy did and fought back, perhaps 80 people in my family would have lived to see their children, grandchildren and great grandchildren rather than literally going up in smoke because "good" Germans didn't do a freeking thing (other than turn them in). Any self described nazi gets whatever is coming their way.

[PufPuf23]

91. The OP poster suggested violence against other DUers that did not

agree with his opinion last year.

I responded with a post that was likely to be juried and was juried and I have no argument that my post was deleted.

The OP poster then went back and deleted the post I responded to that suggested violence and his response to my deleted post.

So I strongly agree with you and do not believe that threats of violence are good, even if offered in only a rhetorical sense.

If the USA was in full tilt war with an opponent similar to Hitler's Germany, demonizing the citizens and wishing them violence is IMHO inappropriate.

There are more humane and productive ways to register disgust and political than suggesting violence.

So far anything I have observed comes no where near full tilt war Nazi.

Yes the alt-right guy that got punched is disgusting but what occurred and has been propagated since feeds the beast.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

94. That is libel

The OP poster suggested violence against other DUers that did not

agree with his opinion last year.

-PufPuf23

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028515846#post91

That is libelous and you know it. I would never advocate violence against members of this board for holding an opinion different than mine. If you had even an iota of decency you would delete that calumny against me.

If you have evidence of me suggesting violence against anybody for merely holding an opinion different from mine you can adduce it now, circumlocutions about deleted posts notwithstanding.

So far anything I have observed comes no where near full tilt war Nazi.

-PufPuf23

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028515846#post91

I have

If the Germans people were more vigilant when it came to confronting NAZIS maybe six million of my co-religionists would still be alive, and my dad wouldn't have had to been drafted and sent to fight Hitler's army in North Africa where he was blinded in one eye by shrapnel and contacted malaria.

In closing, your ad hominem attack on me is deplorable and reveals more about you than it can ever reveal about me.


P.S. In the interest of absolute truthfulness I can not rule out that someone used the anonymity of the internet to strongly insult and disrespect me and I responded that person would never say it to my face. That is wholly different than stating I advocated violence against someone for merely holding a different opinion. That is a calumny. Maybe if you spent more time censuring NAZIS and less time censuring long time members of this board DU would be a better place.

[PufPuf23]

95. What is true is not libel. Note that I said your cited post advocating violence may have

been (and likely was) offered in a rhetorical sense.

Your post advocated violence, as noted probably in a rhetorical sense, against the group of DU posters/people that held a particular viewpoint. I do not recall the specifics and there is no use in searching to find the your deleted posts and my juried post.

I expected my post then of censure to be juried and it was. Then several days later you went back and deleted your post the elicited my strong negative response and your follow up post to my juried post. As a result, DU members could look at my juried post but not see what I had responded to get my reaction nor your response to my post. I have had less than 5 juried / moderated posts in over ten years at DU under this and another screen name. I probably even then would not now have recalled the specific incident save for the fact you went back several days later and deleted your portions of the exchange which suggests at least to me that you had your own 2nd thoughts about your posts.

Rhetoric is the slippery slope to political violence. Calling cretins like Spencer "Nazi" and drawing attention to them and advocating violence towards them is specifically what they want and Spencer may well want political violence too. Spencer's rhetoric is ugly and threatening and I hope at least on this issue we agree.

I had a Jewish maternal grandfather and was once married to a practicing Jewish woman and spent time in the Jewish communities of the SF and Berkeley area in the 1960s and 1970s (most of my intimate friends or relations at the time were active in the Jewish religion or like me who was raised mostly without religion and have never espoused a religion; I attended a boarding school for three years of HS that was about 40% Jewish as well and spent 6 years at Cal and earlier lived with those grandparents for part of grade school and occasionally attended synagogue). These people and times have major influence on my liberal Democratic political views to the present (even though I was born and now live rural).

My Dad was a WWII veteran as well. He volunteered in January 1942 and came home from Europe in 1946. He wanted to fly and had no birth certificate or other proof of age so he was baptized in January 1942 immediately prior joining the Army. He stated his birth date so as to put himself under age 30 so he could go to flight school. However, his highest education was 8th grade and he was an infantryman He had basic training in Cheyenne, WY; spent the day before shipping to England in Manhattan, was stationed prior to D-Day near Salisbury, England; and shipped back to the USA from Le Harve, France. He would never talk about his experiences in the war except up to and including his leave time in England. He had a friend from the war who lived in North Carolina that he corresponded with and had made plans to visit in Summer 1995. Instead he passed away Summer 1995, age 86. After his death I found various ribbons and a purple heart and some other items but never found his correspondence with his friend. I have no idea what the various ribbons meant or why he had a purple heart but I did find out he was last stationed in Nuremberg because he had a card/pass to get access to a closed area of the city. He never offered to anyone that he was a veteran but was very displeased with me in that I had such strong feelings about Vietnam. Yet he was the one who called me glad that I received a Vietnam draft lottery number over 300. He was a Democrat that loved FDR but also took to Nixon and Reagan and Fox and Limbaugh and did not see the inconsistency unfortunately so we argued. He never spanked or otherwise threatened me with violence and that is how I have lived my life. He was a life long hunter and to his great and enduring disappointment I quit hunting and left behind any interest in guns when I was 16 in 1969.

I don't post nor spend nearly as much time at DU as I did for years. I still remain a member of the Democratic party and tend to remain so in hope of a better future plus I am too old to change. I am very disappointed and fatigued by what has occurred.

Violence is seldom the answer but usually breeds more strife, dehumanization, and violence. You are giving cretins like Spencer (and Trump the victim) the reaction they want and will use to justify their own actions. Spencer obviously deliberately wants to raise the specter of the Nazi. Ugly.

I find your poll advocating violence offensive and non-productive.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

96. I would never advocate violence against someone for merely holding a different opinion.

I would never advocate violence against someone for merely holding a different opinion. Whatever exchange you are referring to there had to be a lot more to it than that.

As to Mr. Spencer would I physically assault him for his noxious views? Very likely not, but I can not condemn those who do. There are opinions and there are opinions. There is a world of difference in holding the opinion that a mandate is better than single payer and holding an opinion that Jews rules the world, the white race is superior, and people of color are mud people.

[BlueCaliDem]

97. You're blowing DSB's post WAY out of proportion, and you know it.

Stop while you're behind. Do the right thing now - apologize. An apology to DSB is warranted, Puf.

[PufPuf23]

101. DSB's post here advocating violence is at best in poor taste and counter productive

in regards to the rhetoric of Spencer and general discourse.

Others in this thread do agree with me and not with DSB. The difference is that I mentioned that suggesting violence, rhetorically or not, was a past behavior of DSB

DSB makes other posts in this thread supporting or making light of violence.

My lens regards DSB is colored by the fact that in the past DSB rhetorically probably recommended violence against a set of DUers of different opinion.

I posted a criticism that I thought had high probability to be juried and it was.

Several days later DSB must have had 2nd thoughts as the post I responded to and DSB's response to my juried out post because days later when the thread was inactive DSB deleted his posts so my juried post could no longer be seen (by star members) in context.

It would take sometime to find the exchange but it happened; memorable to me in that it was at most one of 5 posts I have ever had juried or moderated in over a decade at DU and probably the only post I have ever made here where I thought had a high likelihood of being juried when I hit send.

I don't get why DSB disserves an apology from me; DSB falsely accused me of libel and if one looks hard enough they can find the exchange themselves.

I don't see DU as a competition and I don't see criticizing suggested violence here as something over-reacted.

[JHan]

109. Punching Nazis is hilarious "period"

DSB's post didn't warrant all this concern - again, because punching nazis is hilarious. I could tell he wasn't advocating violence against everyone who disagrees with him, he just rightly saw the clip as hilarious because it is and because there's no moral good in empathizing with nazis.

I do agree with you that we shouldn't punch people whose views are different to *our own solely on the basis that they disagree with us . Humans are flawed, and our laws recognize this, which is why - even though Spencer is a piece of shit - punching him was wrong. If we condone punching Spencer merely because his views differ to ours, then anyone whose views differ to our own deserves a punch in the face and we've seen how lack of civility has made our politics more corrosive.

Still, this isn't the case to get all hot and bothered about - because at the end of the day, Punching Nazis is funny as hell, even if I wouldn't do it myself ( of course if I'm physically attacked by a Nazi I will punch the hell out of them)

I'd much rather challenge such people to a fight which is a better way to expose the cowardly nature of people like Spencer.

[PufPuf23]

112. Everything is context. I use to really like Hogan's Heros when young.

Nazi punching sounds like the topic for a SNL skit.

I will say that today I am overly sensitized to the idea of Nazi's and violence and the like because it does seem so immediate; what was unthinkable has become the possible.

Spencer is all about attracting negative attention so we should be wary of feeding the beast.

[Gothmog]

110. Your analysis is deeply flawed and sad

You may have more fun on DI where the conservatives are offering a bounty on the person who assaulted the nazi.

[PufPuf23]

113. I really don't think so.

No one would ever confuse me for a conservative.

I am entitled to my opinion and am far from alone at DU and maybe for whatever reason did not find the poll funny nor appropriate.

[Gothmog]

114. I have a sense of humor.

A sense of humor will be helpful in surviving the next four years.

[PufPuf23]

115. I whole heartily agree with you.

Humor is a great mechanism to cope with being human.

[Gothmog]

126. From the Daily Kos

?1485282415

[BlueCaliDem]

111. Again. You've blown the OP out of proportion and making it into something it isn't.

Now you're trying to defend it by mentioning deleted posts from last year.

I'm sorry, but there's no excuse other than stung pride to bring something up like that and to discredit DSB. That's against the rules here, btw.

FYI, DSB would never advocate violence against another DUer, which is what you've stated and appear dogged about it. I don't believe your assertions based on my own experience with DSB. That OP was a JOKE. Why get so hot and bothered about it?? Why did it trigger your abnormally long dissertation? That's what I'd like to know.

Puf: The OP poster suggested violence against other DUers that did not agree with his opinion last year.

I am urging you to the right thing and apologize to DSB and to put this gripe against DSB to bed. It's not helping you.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

119. It was way more than that.

It was stated that I advocated violence against an entire group of DUERS merely for holding a different opinion, That's crazy talk.

[PufPuf23]

128. Fact: Last year DSB made a post suggesting violence against DUers that held an opinion

counter to DSB's own.

Fact: I responded with a post that I thought would be juried and it was.

Fact: Several days later DSB went back and deleted the post the elicited my post and a post in response to my post.

I recall this well and recall DSB well because it was one of very few posts I have ever had juried and the only time I ever hit "send" expecting to be juried.

This "poll" specifically reminded me that DSB advocating violence against DUers and specifically that DSB had on review several days later deleted their own posts leaving my juried post without context.

My initial post in this thread was specific about DSB having a specific history of mentioning violence, whether as a joke or not, at DU; particularly in a heated thread at a heated time at DU.

This is no gripe; rather a statement of disapproval of and not thinking a joke is funny nor productive.

Try to find the interchange; search on DSB and "deleted" for 2016. lol

Maybe DSB should not make jokes advocating violence?

FYI DSB did make a post advocating violence against DUers and made this OP that at best is a joke in poor taste.

Oh yeah, DSB has the moral authority of MLK.

[BlueCaliDem]

130. So you refuse to apologize for dredging up old grudges? Okay. I guess I know where you're

coming from.

[PufPuf23]

131. I don't get the reasoning why I owe DSB an apology.

DSB did make a post advocating violence to DUers.

I responded with a post likely and in fact juried.

DSB responded to my juried post.

DSB must of had second thoughts because DSB then went back and deleted the two posts leaving my juried post available to read by star members but lacking the context.

Given DSB has over 70,000 posts, a search to find the series of posts is fruitless.

There was the same pattern as this thread; I was not the only poster that did not appreciate DSB's "humor" or at that time to the veiled hostility to members of DU that disagreed with DSB's opinion.

At least now DSB is advocating punching Nazis now rather than other DUers.

DSB says it didn't occur, I say that it did.

I have no specific agenda and don't read nor post at DU as often as in the past.

I saw a post this AM and responded and agree this interchange has gone too far.

I am not alone (but may be a minority at current DU) in my opinion about the "joke". So what?

DSB finds advocating violence as something funny. Others don't.

Why is an apology necessary from me? Perhaps DSB should reconsider whether advocating violence is funny?

[emulatorloo]

133. Fact: "history of violence" you're putting words in DSB's mouth, and making up shit.

I know DSB's character and I don't beleive you about these "deleted" posts. If you haven't fabricated them out of whole cloth, I seriously doubt they said what you claim they said.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

116. I never advocated violence against anybody for merely holding a different opinion.

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My lens regards DSB is colored by the fact that in the past DSB rhetorically probably recommended violence against a set of DUers of different opinion.

You are assassinating my character because you think I "probably rhetorically " recommended violence against a set of DUERS of different opinion. I I never advocated violence against anybody for merely holding a different opinion. I will take a polygraph test. These attacks on my character are beyond the pale. I have had a broken nose, a broken elbow, a broken arm, and a broken orbital bone. Your hurtful words and brutal assault on my character hurt more, a lot more.

Others in this thread do agree with me and not with DSB

-PuffPuf23

BTW, that is an appeal to popularity which is a logical fallacy.

DSB's post here advocating violence is at best in poor taste and counter productive

in regards to the rhetoric of Spencer and general discourse.

-PuffPuf 23

This is not general discourse:

“Martin Luther King Jr., a fraud and degenerate in his life, has become the symbol and cynosure of White Dispossession and the deconstruction of Occidental civilization. We must overcome!”

– National Policy Institute column, January 2014

“Immigration is a kind a proxy war—and maybe a last stand—for White Americans, who are undergoing a painful recognition that, unless dramatic action is taken, their grandchildren will live in a country that is alien and hostile.”

– National Policy Institute column, February 2014

“Our dream is a new society, an ethno-state that would be a gathering point for all Europeans. It would be a new society based on very different ideals than, say, the Declaration of Independence."

– Quoted by Vice, October 2013

“When we hear any professional ‘Latino’ support this or that social program, we sense in our guts that her policy proscriptions are rationalizations for nationalism. She might say ‘more immigration is good’; she means ‘The Anglos are finished!’”

– Speech at the 2013 American Renaissance conference

“What blocks our progress is the meme that has been carefully implanted in White people’s minds over the course of decades of programming, from Mississippi Burning to Lee Daniel's The Butler—that any kind of positive racial feeling among Whites is inherently evil and stupid and derives solely from bigotry and resentment. And that the political and social advancement of non-Whites is inherently moral and wonderful.”

– National Policy Institute column, September 2013

[Adrahil]

73. Being a Nazi makes a difference. It does. NT

[MurrayDelph]

71. It's a patriotic duty to STOP a Nazi

But I'd rather not do ur in a way that will require jury nullification to let me stop the next.

[prayin4rain]

72. I'm certainly not going to cry over it. But, generally, a Nazi's words should be met

with words. A Nazi's actions should be met with action. Since, he was not in a threatening stance, probably shouldn't have hit him. But, I'd let the puncher off if I was on the jury.

[meadowlander]

74. What does it accomplish

other than making you feel a little better? It doesn't change their mind and it encourages idiots to feel sorry for them and maybe take what they have to say more seriously.

Now a good old fashioned shunning or public shaming I can get behind...

[manicraven]

82. Shunning, punching, yelling...whatever it takes to drive them back into the dark hole

they crawled out from.

[JHan]

76. It's funny as fk ..lol

[Turbineguy]

79. I think of it more in terms of...

"Deeply Satisfying".

[get the red out]

80. I am more into cursing

I am chicken, I would just curse at them.

[nini]

90. My WWII Army dad is spinning in his grave

Jesus.... I guess that 'history repeats itself' stuff is real.

[Spider Jerusalem]

98. I find something vaguely Nazi-like in the phrase "patriotic duty"

[MountCleaners]

102. There are always going to be Nazis

It's more important to attack what they feed off of.

The alt-right is small in numbers, but they get their energy and encouragement from the much larger "Patriot" movement, everyday racism, and the angry gun people. Those people have to be demoralized and discredited if you want to see fewer Nazis. Then the Nazis wouldn't feel so emboldened to give interviews at an inauguration.

President Trump isn't helping, is he? He's encouraging them.

[randr]

103. There are still a few WW11 vets left

who's duty was to kill Nazi's.
And a lot have died fighting the Communists.
Wonder what made so many vets turn their backs on our Nation?

[workinclasszero]

104. They were brainwashed by hate radio

and heretic religious right preachers and churches.

This is really nothing new. Its a repeat of how the nazi party gained power in Germany.

Hate propaganda works, the Big Lie works.

[randr]

105. So true

[zipplewrath]

106. And people wonder

And people wonder why I say we live in a violent culture.

It is a bipartisan attitude that violence is a primary solution to conflict.

[MountCleaners]

107. I wonder how many people here

...spend their time observing Nazis and other hate groups (there are others). For example, they are the ones who coined the term "cuckservative" and attacked the National Review. They did this because they feel that the conservative movement is rightfully theirs, and they have done a damn good job of shutting down any dissent over there. So basically, you have to oppose nationalist politics that arouse these people to pollute the 'net and intimidate and harass people. They like to attach themselves to more "mainstream" movements because their numbers are so small. Those movements that allow this have to be discredited, and that takes work and time.

[zipplewrath]

108. Does it take violence?

Because that seems to be the attitude of DU at the moment.

[Adrahil]

120. Primary? No.

We've tried facts and reason. Nazis are not going to be pursuaded by those.

Besides, if you are not willing to punch a Nazi, who WOULD you punch!?

[zipplewrath]

121. No one

Not as a primary response. But then, I tend towards pacifism a bit. But the vast majority of people don't, which is why we tolerate torture, and policy brutality, and a rape culture, and the extensive private ownership of firearms....

[MountCleaners]

123. Exactly

I've hung around with anti-fascist punks who talk about "booting" Nazis. I realized that it is not in women's interests to support this sort of machismo.

Personally, as a woman, and as one who has been the victim of violence, I am AFRAID of people who would first resort to violence. It's the glee with which they do it. Losing one's temper is more understandable than those who find punching funny and entertaining. I didn't enjoy the video of Spencer being punched. I didn't think it was funny.

Feminist theory talks a lot about this stuff. It's sad that so many progressives haven't read critiques of violence.

[zipplewrath]

129. Many of our problems won't end until we get to this

It's the old 12 step thing. Step one is admitting the problem.

I can trace a wide variety of social problems back to the ingrained sense of justifiable violence in which our society accepts. Bullying, date rape, much of our foreign policy, police brutality, gun violence, road rage, torture, and in some sense it feeds our xenophobia and misogyny as well. Really, it is connected indirectly to our attitudes about "political correctness" in that we don't feel that we should have to be concerned about the safety (emotionally or otherwise) of other people.

Watching movies is getting harder to do anymore in that so many plot lines involve violence as entertainment. And we furthermore minimize the effects of violence by showing people being subjected to unsurvivable violence, and just getting up and walking away. Worse, the characters that are involved in extreme acts of violence, often forced upon them, and they "get over it" within the time frame of the movie (or even shorter for a TV show). Super heros are characters with expanded abilities to commit acts of violence. It all gives a highly distorted view of violence, its usefulness, and its consequences.

Not sure what it is going to take to move people away from this. Strangely, even though people accept violence, the majority rarely actually acts upon it. Yet we continue to accept the concept anyway.

[dembotoz]

117. i am vice chair of the local dem party in a very very red area

even before this election i was concerned over member security at public events such as parades

we get taunted, sometimes something thrown at us....

this does not help

[Madam Mossfern]

125. No

Use your words.

[sl8]

132. "Patriotism is the last refuge for a scoundrel"

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Even more so when it is used an excuse for violence.