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Pholus

(4,062 posts)
Sun Jan 22, 2017, 03:12 PM Jan 2017

My Trump CT. He's in the middle of some crap he never expected to be.

Last edited Sun Jan 22, 2017, 03:44 PM - Edit history (2)

I think Trump is not a happy person right now (did you SEE how sweaty he was at the CIA yesterday, and it wasn't particularly hot) because he is owned from several sides.

1) Putin owns him, no doubt. That doesn't mean that Putin is going to destroy the US -- in fact, he may actually want to work with us in the long run. But, he needs to be able to break out of the West's containment of him and Trump is that golden opportunity. Trump will be his proxy, but a subtle one, weakening one policy after another as well as NATO's resolve to prevent expansion into the West. The end goal is Putin really wants Russian money to have more influence in the more prosperous west. Over time those investments will solidify into other kinds of power.

2) We used to joke about how the CIA briefs a new president by showing them slightly different camera angles of the JFK assassination. I think in Trump's case, they showed him damning evidence that shows that they know that Putin owns him. So the GOP power players now also have an ownership stake in Trump. It's perfect for them....they can push through their 1%'er agenda and Orange Julius takes the reputation dive when the rubes finally realize they've been had -- plus they'll look like heroes for impeaching and imprisoning him.

3) Putin and the GOP are likely negotiating through proxies. They are deciding how much of each other's agenda they can stomach if it gives them their desired goals. Both have things to lose if Don the Con is outed too soon, so they have an uneasy peace for the moment. The old dislikes are still there, but business is business right?

The little bits and pieces of my scant evidence?

i) Trump simultaneously decried Buzzfeed's publication as both "False" and "a leak" and while it is possible both are true, it was also an unorganized defense that kinda left you realizing he was dancing around a truth. Russia IMMEDIATELY backed Trump, even though they honestly shouldn't give a crap one way or another if people in some foreign government wastes time McCarthying each other. I think the Buzzfeed publication was actually a demonstration of power on the part of the GOP, as in "Look Don. It's out there now. You can explain away this single story as noncredible, but if you don't play ball with us the next release will support what came out in this one. We'll make it so you might even live through the scandal of that one too, but the third one will ruin you. So THIS is what you are going to do for us."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/11/donald-trump-kremlin-blast-fabricated-report-russian-ties-asfbi/

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/11/politics/james-clapper-donald-trump/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4107738/Intelligence-chief-told-Trump-Kremlin-spies-claim-compromising-material-personal-life-including-claims-degrading-sex-acts-Moscow-hotel.html

2) Several of Trump's nominees openly break with Trump's rhetoric -- they are not all bootlickers. The highest profile is Mattis, who is anti-Russian to a greater extent than Trump is pro-Russian. Mattis has been ignoring Trump's suggestions for various civilian leadership positions in the DOD. I think Mattis has been placed by the GOP to make sure the Russians do not have a way to force our military into strategic weakness. His first statement to the DOD places great confidence in three things Trump openly does not value: the intelligence community, the State Department, and the value of allies. Trump is so fatally thin-skinned and reactionary that he embarrasses himself on any imagined slight no matter how petty, so why he is giving this a pass?

https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Releases/News-Release-View/Article/1055906/message-to-the-department-of-defense-from-secretary-of-defense-james-mattis

3) Robert Reich repeated claims that the GOP is using Trump and can remove him at will.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/theyll-pull-the-trigger-robert-reich-explains-how-the-gop-is-playing-trump-till-they-can-dump-him/

4) The GOP is in a debate about whether or not to work with Russia. But I think its because only a core group of power players know the true situation and everyone else is confused.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/16/politics/republican-party-tension/

Again, a life wasted reading too many Tom Clancy novels....but while rough my CT explains a lot of strangely unconnected stories.


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My Trump CT. He's in the middle of some crap he never expected to be. (Original Post) Pholus Jan 2017 OP
Pretty interesting takes Norbert9 Jan 2017 #1
Hey, probably is total BS. But some of Trump's odder actions make sense... Pholus Jan 2017 #2
What does CT stand for? oberliner Jan 2017 #3
Conspiracy theory. I claim zero credibility behind what I wrote other than it gives a narrative Pholus Jan 2017 #4
Gotcha oberliner Jan 2017 #5
Do be careful though... Pholus Jan 2017 #6
And here I thought it was a CT Scan where you get the real inside info. TexasProgresive Jan 2017 #8
That Robert Reich piece was interesting Ruby the Liberal Jan 2017 #7
Disagree melman Jan 2017 #9

Pholus

(4,062 posts)
2. Hey, probably is total BS. But some of Trump's odder actions make sense...
Sun Jan 22, 2017, 03:20 PM
Jan 2017

within my little CT. So I'll play with it for a while longer.

Pholus

(4,062 posts)
4. Conspiracy theory. I claim zero credibility behind what I wrote other than it gives a narrative
Sun Jan 22, 2017, 03:28 PM
Jan 2017

to seemingly random actions. And it makes Don the Con look both evil and weak at the same time. And I like that.

Pholus

(4,062 posts)
6. Do be careful though...
Sun Jan 22, 2017, 03:34 PM
Jan 2017

this line of thinking eventually leads to tinfoil hats!

But I was sitting here today thinking about it and decided to put it out there, because while farfetched if it *is* true I want to have dated documentation that I was at least considering the possibility!

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
7. That Robert Reich piece was interesting
Sun Jan 22, 2017, 04:07 PM
Jan 2017

Bias confirmation on my part, but I keep thinking that the GOP is going to go full blast with the thought in the back of their mind that he is their political cover. Anything goes pear shaped (as it will) and they can put the blame on him.

Stroking this man's ego is the key to getting anything done. And stroke they will as long as they don't think they will have to pay the price for it. 2018, we need to tie the Trump disaster around each and every one of their necks.

Thanks for the post!

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
9. Disagree
Sun Jan 22, 2017, 04:44 PM
Jan 2017

Trump has unlimited confidence and zero self-doubt. That is one of the scariest things about him.

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