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(This is a long read on electoral politics and policy, but worth it)
Philadelphia Magazine:
In other ways, progressives find their formula more than a little disappointing.
The Boyles critique Philadelphias sanctuary-city policy. Early in their careers, they supported a bill that imposed restrictions on abortion clinics. (Pro-choice activists at the time said the legislation was unnecessary and an obvious gambit to restrict abortion services.) And last year, Kevin backed a proposal that would temporarily keep secret the names of police officers who shoot civilians. I think we should give the benefit of the doubt, in the immediate aftermath of a highly traumatic event, to the police officer. Its a very, very dangerous job, he says. But Black Lives Matter said the bill would worsen relations between cops and civilians; the ACLU called it a threat to transparency.
The Boyles are quick to point out that they both now have been endorsed by Planned Parenthood and are strongly opposed to the GOPs plan to defund both that group and sanctuary cities. They argue that theyve got the same position on immigration as Barack Obama, and that admitting Syrian refugees is a moral imperative. But the Boyles also believe the partys survival depends on it being big-tent enough to hold differing views on historically polarizing topics such as abortion and gun control: If someone is a Democrat and votes with you 95 percent of the time, says Brendan, we probably shouldnt obsess over the remaining five percent. Theyre positing, essentially, that Democrats should be less strident about some of the social issues that have defined the partys platform in order to build a winning coalition around economic policies. Political strategist Mustafa Rashed agrees: If Democrats want to get to the point where theyre anything but a super-minority, they have to widen the tent.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)but in your excerpt, how it's men talking about how the Dems should ease up on abortion.
ymetca
(1,182 posts)The unions blew it long ago by selling out to protect their own. They were afraid to risk their own gains to help others not in their unions, particularly minorities of color, but especially women. They should have been organizing all those maids and waitresses and "shop girls" they failed to see, over and over again, for all those years...
Just because these opportunists can't win without the support of racists and misogynists is not something to be adjusted to. You're either fighting for everybody's rights or you're not. They are not.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)ymetca
(1,182 posts)by placating religious zealots and gun absolutists. Their numbers are declining precisely because of their racism and misogyny. The longer we pander to their ignorance the longer it will take for them to accept they have been bamboozled by scoundrels and con-artists.
They sure want to "save" us. Maybe we should start saving them...
brooklynite
(94,452 posts)...anyone who doesn't abide by liberal orthodoxy MUYST be a "zealot" or an absolutist". There can't possibly be incremental degrees between our position and the right wingers...
ymetca
(1,182 posts)But this quickly devolves into the Liberty Valance problem. How do "decent" human beings stand up to the ruthless? To the murderous? To those willing to commit genocide?
Most people will not choose to become martyrs.
JI7
(89,244 posts)crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)ITS STUNNING that throughout our two-hour conversation, the Boyles never blame their partys sorry state on Russia or James Comey.
My own personal thoughts
Very true. Did they play a part? Yes. As did voter suppression, gerrymandering, etc. BUt we need to move beyond these and look in the mirror. If we don't realize our own shortcomings, we'll never be able to overcome them.
This is why I want a 2020 candidate that is not from the 'coastal elite' areas.
brooklynite
(94,452 posts)dionysus
(26,467 posts)Anyone who used leaked podesta emails, or comeys talk about hillary's emails, to base their vote, wasn't leaning too hard in our favor anyways.
Surely they cost us some support, but i doubt it was the gamechanger many say it is.
The longer we obsess on the past, the worse off we'll be.
If we can't admit we made mistakes, we'll repeat them in 4 years and wonder why we lost twice in a row. It's mind boggling.