Melania Trump Defended on DU

[snooper2]

ROFLMFAO

Oh poor poor Melania



















People forget so much

[tenderfoot]

1. That child looks a lot happier

I will say that.

Have a good time.

[snooper2]

2. Yes, that child will lay her head down on a $750 pillow tonight, and dream of pure silver spoons

[tenderfoot]

3. because $750 pillows are the key to happiness

eom

[snooper2]

4. enjoy your heater working tonight

[tenderfoot]

5. enjoy mocking potential domestic abuse

eom

[NotThisTime]

7. It's obviously not even potential, it's full on verbal and mental abuse

[snooper2]

8. yes, she is a poor victim with no way out

are you really trying to kid anyone?

FUCK TRUMP, his wife is is one of his enablers. PERIOD

[Hekate]

12. It seems you know little of the mechanisms of domestic abuse, rich or poor

[snooper2]

13. I'm well aware from my career thank you...it seems that

a segment of DU .....


never mind-

[JustAnotherGen]

51. He can't be impeached over that

It's a non issue.

[elehhhhna]

52. You forgot the caviar infused body moisturizing lotion rubdown hello

[NanceGreggs]

6. I didn't realize ...

... that defending people when they deserve being defended was a matter of how much or how little money they had.

I also didn't realize that DU consisted of so many psychics who know Melania's inner-most thoughts - and yet the site is full of them tonight!

Live and learn, eh?

[Hekate]

9. Are we being overrun? We've got people actually advocating using a 10 year old as a ....

....political punching bag.

As for Melania -- based on a lot of published info about Mad King Donald, I think Melania is an abused spouse. I'm not going to criticize her for just existing, no matter how much money her husband has. He's good with prenups -- my guess is she won't get a cent once her boy turns 21.

[KittyWampus]

23. bullsh*t. NOBODY is advocating attacking Barron. NOBODY is doing it.

[tblue37]

26. Marla's prenup gave her $2 million. nt

[JI7]

33. but i wonder if Melania maybe being here illegally and a foreigner

would not have known about these things and just agreed to marry him and sign whatever he wanted.

[TexasBushwhacker]

43. Seriously?

If so, Trump is one greedy motherfucker.

[elehhhhna]

53. I think she could make a deal from lot of money if she thought about leaving him now

Yes he's a complete douche but it does look like he's taking care of his wife and children. At least financially. I think she's just going to wait it out until widowhood . When barons 21, Trump will be 81. As the wife of a President, she, at 51, will still be a huge trophy. Think Jackie Onassis.

Imagine the frenzied activity at THAT auction.

[snooper2]

10. and why does she need defended? She married the prick...

Are you all saying she is a stupid dweeb in over her head or what? Be clear here...

[Hekate]

14. Abused women are not "stupid dweebs in over their heads," as you put it so cruelly.

Aren't you just a special piece of work.

[snooper2]

19. Do you have any actual evidence she has been abused?

besides deciding to marry a fucking asshole which was her choice, and having his sperm in her; her choice?

Jesus Christ on a pogo stick is it Saturday on DU or Monday?

[NanceGreggs]

15. So because she married ...

... someone we consider a "prick", she doesn't deserve defending?

Wasn't that the right-wing's stance when Bill cheated on Hillary - that because she married him, anything at all could be said against her whether it was true or not?

[snooper2]

24. Is there some actual evidence that she is unhappy, abused, a video, interview, anything?

or are you just taking that from the cues you see when she is on the tv for a few minutes?

Have you watched any of the interviews with her at all over the past year? What are you defending her FROM? To make her a fake victim doesn't help anyone and makes folks on the left..look...stupid.




Please post a reply with any evidence.....anything.....

[NanceGreggs]

29. No, there is NO such evidence.

And that's my point.

Some of us have been "defending her" against the posts here by those insisting they KNOW she is unhappy, abused, etc., based on their interpretation of her body language, her facial expressions, the way she walks, the way she talks - an endless stream of on-line psychoanalysis mixed with some new-found psychic ability to KNOW what she is thinking or feeling at any given moment.

"She hates her husband. She is miserable when he's around. She only married him for the money. She looks disgusted when he comes near her. She planned to divorce him before he was elected, and now she can't. She's staying in NY because she can't stand to be around her husband."

These posts have been all over DU - posted by people who insist they actually KNOW what Melania's innermost thoughts are, KNOW what goes on behind closed doors, and KNOW what takes place inside Melania's head.

[DanTex]

27. Trump is a threat to the continued survival of humanity, and she helped him become president.

What's there to defend? I don't think anyone should attack her, or anyone else, with lies, obviously. But no lies are needed. She stood at the Republican convention and told everyone how great Trump was. She made excuses for him when he bragged about sexual assault. And so on.

I'm sure her marriage to Trump isn't quite domestic bliss. But this is the life she chose. She was a successful international supermodel when she married him, and she was like 35 years old. She wasn't some naive kid, she knew what she was getting into. Which is fine with me: people have the right to enter into loveless marriages for money if they want to.

But I'm not going to feel bad for her. Now, if any evidence comes out that Trump is actually abusing her, that her actions are the result of threats, not her own volition, then obviously that changes things. But there isn't any. All evidence is, she chose to marry Donald Trump, she chose to support his presidential campaign.

[NanceGreggs]

35. So a woman supported her husband.

WOW! Prepare the guillotine - off with her head!

I heard the same bullshit from RWers when Hillary chose to stand by her husband despite his dalliances. When did WE become like them?

Did you honestly expect Melania to publicly denounce her own husband during the campaign? Has it never occurred to you that she might actually see him differently than we do, or that she might actually love the guy? Stranger things have happened.

Where is your evidence that this is a "loveless marriage" entered into for money? Or do you just "know" that based on - well, based on what? Reading tea-leaves?

[DanTex]

38. Her husband is Donald effing Trump. Why does she get a pass just because she's married to him?

Bill Clinton was not a threat to the continued survival of the human race. Donald Trump is.

No, I didn't expect her to denounce her husband. I expected her to do exactly what she did: talk about how great he was, how it's not a big deal that he brags about sexually assaulting women, push birtherism, etc. Exactly what I expected from Reince Preibus and Newt Gingrich and the rest of the right-wingers. All of them are deplorable, including her. None of them get a pass, no matter who they are married to.

You're right, I don't know whether their marriage is loveless. That's my opinion. It sure looks like it, but hey, maybe it's domestic bliss. Who cares? Loveless or not, she is still responsible for her own actions and her own words. That's what I judge her by.

Of course, upthread people in the "don't be mean to Melania" camp are talking about how she's being abused, so maybe you should take up their marital situation with them. Obviously if she is being abused or threatened, that changes things. If her words and actions are under duress, then she is indeed not responsible for them. But there is no evidence whatsoever that she said those things under duress, and unless some such evidence shows up, she is just as culpable as any other Trump surrogate.

[NanceGreggs]

42. Melania is not just "another Trump surrogate".

She's his wife. She spoke in support of her husband - as most women would do, just as most men would speak in support of their wives.

Preibus and Gingrich et al are speaking as politicians, not as spouses. If you don't understand the difference between the two relationships, I really can't help you.

But, ya know, I think it's vitally important that while Trump is a threat to the survival of the human race, bashing Melania is what everyone should be focused on. It's just so, uh, productive and constructive.

[DanTex]

46. She's a grown up. She has free will. And she went on national TV to push birtherism.

You seriously want to give her a pass for that because she's married to Donald Trump? And how about Don Jr, does he get a pass for saying that Putin is a stronger leader than Obama, because, you know, every good son would do that for his father.

Please, speak for yourself with that "most women would do" stuff. Because I know a lot of women, and men (like me), who would never in a million years go on TV to tout birtherism, no matter who they were married to.

In fact, if I were married to Trump, I would leave him as soon as I realized he was a racist sociopath. Sure, no spouse is perfect, but I'm pretty sure that when you're married to someone who is inspiring hate crimes and spearheading the revival of white supremacy, that's kind of a red flag. We're way past "he doesn't help out with household chores".

But, whatever, her personal life is her business. But her political advocacy is everyone's business.

[LenaBaby61]

36. Excellent post.

Melania's also a birther. Pretty sure Michelle Obama didn't take too kindly to her questioning her husband's being an American citizen. But because Michelle is nothing but class personified, she looked past Melania's racism and ignorance.

I do not for one minute feel that she should be physically abused by that pig of a husband of hers IF we find out that it did happen.

However, I feel NO pity whatsoever for Melania in other aspects of that alleged loveless marriage at all. As you rightfully said, she married that hog when she was a fully grown woman of the world (And then some if the rumors are true). She had her big girl panties on when she entered into the Gates of HELL.

[Cha]

41. Melania pushed Birtherism, too! Good god.. There are no fucking words.

Except the stupid burns.. no class. Just pushing stupid LIES with her sick husband.

We know exactly who she was talking to, too.. the brainwashed idiots who voted him in. trump started his road to NOW on the back of President Obama's birtherism.. hers was in 2011..

Mahalo, Lena!


Nerdy Wonka ?@NerdyWonka
First Lady Michelle Obama is all of us. She is not going to pretend she's here for this racist mess.

G.O.A.T.
10:34 AM - 20 Jan 2017

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[HAB911]

48. Thank you Cha!!!!!!!........n/t

[Cha]

50. You're

, HAB

[elleng]

28. Thanks.

[Lotusflower70]

11. Your point is?

Yeah I will defend her. As a psychologist that works with abuse victims and survivors, I have seen them from all races and socioeconomic status. If she is a victim, I won't attack her no matter who she is married to.

[nolabear]

17. Amen. I'm a psychotherapist too. It's so much more complex than people understand.

Hell, I have no idea what's going on there. But I can't imagine anyone having the kind of warm and supportive relationship that makes for happiness with that man. And I know people can fool thems lives in many ways and have terrible wake ups later. I won't criticize her.

[Lotusflower70]

21. I agree

It is complex. I do not understand how someone people think money makes it better. Pain is still pain. I don't feel the need to demonize her. Her eyes look so vacant and sad. True that. People can trick themselves into thinking everything is fine or that you have put up with some things to be comfortable. No one deserves that even if they live in a golden palace.

[nolabear]

30. And it's such a human wish to think you're able to change them.

And to be too ashamed or afraid to "fail."

[Lotusflower70]

32. That's the rub

Empathetic people can be attracted to and attract narcissists. The empathy wants to help and support sometimes at the expense of self. And then there can be self-esteem issues. The hardwiring from upbringing and society not to fail is rampant.

[nolabear]

56. Amen to that. Trying to fix the past is our Achilles heel sometimes.

We all do it. Heck, most of my writing has elements of giving people things I want, or working through things I have felt hurt about. It's much easier when you can create the entire reality. 😄

[Lotusflower70]

58. Interesting observations

I am a writer as well and I would agree that there is some truth to that for me. But I have found that I am more comfortable in the skin I am. This has happened while raising a son. I just determined that I was going to do what pleased me as opposed to having my primary focus be on others. Once I started to nurture and replenish my soul, it helped balance my giving spirit.

[DanTex]

31. Who cares if she has a warm and supportive relationship?

She helped Trump become president, she made excuses for his bragging about sexual assault. There are 6 billion other people on the planet that stand to suffer because Trump became president, something she helped bring about.

Whether she is happy in her marriage is totally irrelevant. The same goes for Reince Priebus or Newt Gingrich or Betsy DeVos or anyone else on team Trump. It's not about domestic bliss, it's about the future of the world.

[nolabear]

55. I can multitask.

[DanTex]

57. No idea what you mean by that.

[snooper2]

18. if, maybe, possible, I think, might be, perhaps

All people online with substitutions of what one can clearly see as a marriage where they spend 1% of there time together. People calling her a victim because she is female are missing the point.

BY A FUCKING LONG SHOT

Wait until she is on the stump advocating for abstinence only like Michele Bachmann. Then the DU tune will change.....

[Mister Ed]

25. Yes, wait until then. Please.

Wait until she starts to harm people the way Michele Bachmann has before attacking and disparaging her. We can all agree on that.

[DanTex]

34. How about when she made excuses for Trump's bragging about sexual assualt?

Can we disparage her for that? Or just the simple fact that she stood up at the RNC and talked about how great a president Trump would be.

Is that not enough? She's already harmed people by helping Trump become president.

[NanceGreggs]

37. And exactly how many voters ...

... voted for Trump based on Melania talking about what a great president he would be?

Do you honestly believe that anyone who was anti-Trump suddenly decided to vote for him because his wife said he was a nice guy?

Seriously? If anything, she might have cost him the votes of people who heard her accent and thought a "furriner" FLOTUS was against their deport-all-immigrants stance.

[DanTex]

39. There is no way to know that, as I'm sure you're aware.

But I'm pretty confident that Melania influenced more voters than Newt or Reince, but somehow there aren't threads talking about how we should be nicer to Newt Gingrich because really he didn't play that big of a role, it's not his fault, leave Newt alone.

Why do you think that is? Strange, isn't it? In general, DU seems to have a uniformly negative opinion of Trump surrogates. I can't think of a single instance where someone went on national TV talking about how great Trump was, how Obama's birth certificate is a legitimate issue, how bragging about sexual assault is just "boy talk" and DUers decided, meh, that Trump defender is probably a good person, let's not be judgemental. But we're supposed give Melania a pass because......?

[loyalsister]

45. Not a psychologist

but a confidant and supporter of friends who have been through it. We obviously don't know details about their relationship. However, we do know without a doubt that Trump is misogynistic and has a history of mistreating women.

He and this campaign have clearly done terrible things to her. I think she was used as distraction when some speechwriter from the campaign gave her a plagiarized speech. How much time was wasted making fun of her rather than watching what was happening in the campaign.

Then came the news about Trump essentially assaulting women came out, and everyone knows the general lack of decency and disrespect of women he has.

For women who are abused, even in the most subtle ways, it is completely humiliating for others to know they are married to a misogynist. In her case the entire world knows what a disgusting pig he is. The way one friend put it, when people found out and she didn't have the guts to leave, she felt like she deserved what she got for being stupid.

[truebluegreen]

16. This is ugly. We aren't.

[Lucinda]

44. +1

[m-lekktor]

22. You're impressive. nt

[nini]

40. So.. we can only sympathize with one person at a time?

Maybe some people need to learn to multi-task.


I'm neutral on the Melania stuff but she certainly does looks like an abused woman.

[liquid diamond]

47. I don't understand it either.

I think some pity her just because she is female.

On the contrary, I just see her as a woman who tried to use her looks to her advantage, and it backfired. The fucking gold digger knew what she was getting into. Bed. Made. Lie.

[HAB911]

49. K&R

[LanternWaste]

54. I can certainly understand your frustration at so many

I can certainly understand your frustration at so many people placing a greater primacy on simple decency and adult civility rather than peevish irrelevancies and petulant shots the undisciplined mind finds so viscerally satisfying.


It's comforting to know that the better angels of your nature have compelled you to concern yourself with the irrelevant. How dare they act like adults while we adults rationalize behaving like children.

[snooper2]

61. Deep LOL

It is really interesting how certain posters will come to the defense of a political figure, only when female.

[HAB911]

59. Internet Creates #FreeMelania After It Appears Shes Held Hostage At Inauguration

(VIDEO)

[bravenak]

60. She's a Birther

Impossible to feel sorry for her, really. She goes along with each and every one of Don's cons