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pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 07:43 AM Jan 2017

A Tale of Two Tornado Disasters (one under DT and one under Obama)

A tale of two tornado disasters, one being currently mishandled by DT (also by Georgia Gov. Deal).



January 25, 2017: Four days after the tornadoes began on the 21st, DT still has not issued a disaster declaration and there is little FEMA presence in the affected states. (DT hasn’t even nominated a new head of FEMA.)

Contrast that to Obama’s FEMA response in May 2013 to a tornado disaster in Oklahoma. (See timeline below) The disaster declaration was made within 2 days and 400 personnel were on the ground within 4 days.


January 2017

January 21-22, 2017: a vast storm system claims at least 19 lives in the Southeast.

Jan 22, 2017: DT pledges tornado aid for Georgia, Florida, and Alabama.

Jan. 22, 2017: Georgia Governor declares a state of emergency

Jan. 23, 2017: Governor of Mississippi officially requests disaster aid.

In Georgia: “The chair of the county’s Board of Commissioners called out the federal government Monday morning.’ We need help,’ Christopher S. Cohilas said during a news conference. “FEMA, please get people on the damn ground.”

“While Cohilas singled out the federal government for his ire, it is state officials who must first make a disaster declaration, clearing the way for federal assistance. Soon after Cohilas’ comments, Gov. Nathan Deal’s office announced that nine more counties had been declared disaster areas. One of them was Dougherty County.

“The state is making all of our resources available,” Deal said at an afternoon news conference. State officials said they are continuing search and rescue efforts in South Georgia, with more than 250 state employees working to clear debris, and provide shelter and disaster relief.”

http://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/albany-aims-for-fema-help-for-storms/r3HYjULgPKOu42YaIyvDvM/

http://www.ajc.com/news/breaking-news/south-georgia-need-help/SNOPQLEJIUJwjTvsIKRASO/

“Following a recommendation from Georgia Emergency Management and Homeland Security Agency (GEMHSA) officials and local Emergency Management Agencies, Gov. Nathan Deal is expanding his emergency declaration for nine additional counties in South Central Georgia impacted by severe weather and tornado touchdowns. He is also extending the executive order to run through midnight on January 30.

“The state of emergency now exists in the following 16 counties: Atkinson, Baker, Berrien, Brooks, Calhoun, Clay, Colquitt, Cook, Crisp, Dougherty, Lowndes, Mitchell, Thomas, Turner, Wilcox and Worth. Mitchell and Dougherty Counties, previously impacted by similar severe weather, are now covered under this emergency declaration.

“Gov. Deal plans to visit the affected areas on Wednesday, January 25.”

http://gov.georgia.gov/press-releases/2017-01-23/deal-expands-and-extends-state-emergency-nine-additional-counties


Jan. 24, 2017:

Gov. Nathan Deal said he expects the federal government to soon sign off on a request for assistance for the wave of storms that killed at least 15 people in south Georgia and four more across the region.

Deal said Tuesday he received word from the Federal Emergency Management Agency that it has completed a round of assessments for the first spate of storms that struck the Albany area earlier this month, “and we have every reason to expect the second request will be granted and approved very quickly.”

South Georgia officials and residents implored the federal government for more help after the deadly storms that struck over the weekend.

http://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/deal-federal-aid-coming-soon-for-victims-south-georgia-storms/5Ylsp4C4F7xi8mRip0twhL/

Deal, who is set to visit the storm-damaged areas on Wednesday, said he’s confident President Donald Trump and his administration would respond. For good measure, his office said he asked the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees FEMA, to expedite the disaster declaration.

http://www.ajc.com/weather/tornado-confirmed-deal-seek-federal-aid-for-south-georgia/zkuKBdh3Kvdy9jl5fMRoON/

Jan. 25, 2017:

No Major Disaster Declarations have been posted on FEMA’s site related to the January tornadoes.


https://www.fema.gov/disasters?field_state_tid_selective=All&field_disaster_type_term_tid=9218&field_disaster_declaration_type_value=DR&items_per_page=20


WHERE IS FEMA?

http://www.snopes.com/2017/01/24/mississippi-governor-deadly-tornadoes/

http://www.ajc.com/weather/tornado-confirmed-deal-seek-federal-aid-for-south-georgia/zkuKBdh3Kvdy9jl5fMRoON/

____________________________________________


MAY 2013, another tornado disaster handled by Obama’s FEMA

May 18-20, 2013: tornadoes hit Oklahoma

May 20,2013: “As the President told Governor Fallin tonight, the administration — through FEMA — is committed to providing all the assistance it can to Oklahoma as the response effort unfolds. Already, FEMA has deployed an Incident Management Assistance Team, Urban Search & Rescue Teams, and an Medical Emergency Response Support Team to provide resources to hard-hit areas in Oklahoma.”
“The President approved a Major Disaster Declaration for Oklahoma, making federal funding available to support affected individuals, as well as additional federal assistance to support immediate response and recovery efforts.

May 21, 2013: tornado victims began to register for assistance
“The President received a briefing in the Oval Office on the response by Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism Lisa Monaco, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, Chief of Staff Denis McDonough, Deputy Chief of Staff Alyssa Mastromonaco and other senior members of the President’s response team.”

May 22, 2013: by 2 a.m. more than 1000 people had registered for tornado assistance;
“FEMA has more than 400 personnel already on the ground supporting the response, including three national Urban Search and Rescue Teams, an Incident Management Assistance Team, as well as personnel focused on helping survivors register for and receive the federal assistance made available by the major disaster declaration signed by the President on Monday night.”

May 23, 2013: “According to FEMA, since Monday night, the national Urban Search and Rescue teams completed searches of more than 1,200 structures in the affected area.
FEMA and federal partners have established an Incident Support Base to stage commodities. More than 127,000 liters of water and nearly 30,000 meals have been delivered to the state to support response efforts.”

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2013/05/21/president-obama-responds-tornadoes-oklahoma

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A Tale of Two Tornado Disasters (one under DT and one under Obama) (Original Post) pnwmom Jan 2017 OP
When provided with facts Trump supporters will not notice. gordianot Jan 2017 #1
They will when we have another Katrina -- and we will. n/t pnwmom Jan 2017 #2
G-d's wrath? RicROC Jan 2017 #8
tRump supporters in the affected areas will notice. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2017 #11
They will blame Obama - after all, it was HIS FEMA 2 days before the storms ended karynnj Jan 2017 #21
The only thing standing in the way is the orders, right? Ilsa Jan 2017 #3
Maybe. But Obama's approach -- getting in early with a large response, pnwmom Jan 2017 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author mountain grammy Jan 2017 #5
That makes it ok to ignore suffering? brer cat Jan 2017 #13
And you are right, of course it doesn't. mountain grammy Jan 2017 #24
I do understand. brer cat Jan 2017 #25
I looked at the FEMA page...... well I looked at the first page HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #6
Not when significant deaths have occurred and bodies need to be dug up pnwmom Jan 2017 #9
I have not made a single such post HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #15
You said that the Women's March wasn't anti-Trump, pnwmom Jan 2017 #16
I said that the DC organizers said that it was for rights, and that marchers marched for HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #17
And Thursday was the Michael Moore event, which was anti Trump HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #20
Aide must have been rendered immediately however treestar Jan 2017 #18
I clicked on the link from the original post HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #19
Hurricanes take a lot less treestar Jan 2017 #23
But he's talked about sending troops to Chicago mgardener Jan 2017 #7
Oh Where's Heckuva Job Brownie when you need him? n2doc Jan 2017 #10
"Where is FEMA?" Zoonart Jan 2017 #12
I'm afraid those poor people voted for incompetency. Vinca Jan 2017 #14
He only reacts to tweets! NRaleighLiberal Jan 2017 #22

RicROC

(1,204 posts)
8. G-d's wrath?
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 08:21 AM
Jan 2017

Don't those tornados prove that G-d is displeased with the voters in those states who voted for Trump? *sarcasm*

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,000 posts)
11. tRump supporters in the affected areas will notice.
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 09:06 AM
Jan 2017

It is important that the news media continue their path back to truthfully reporting the news fully and truly balanced (does not mean equal time), so that the word gets out to wider areas and so that the root cause (tRump) is identified clearly.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
21. They will blame Obama - after all, it was HIS FEMA 2 days before the storms ended
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 10:22 AM
Jan 2017

Just like it was Clinton's fault on 911, because Bush had only been President for about 8 months.

However, Obama was blamed for the crash of the markets in September 2008 -- because he WAS elected in 2008 - right.

It is appalling that nothing on the federal level has happen yet. It would be better if Trump were worried about that rather than his smaller than Obama crowd sizes.

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
3. The only thing standing in the way is the orders, right?
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 08:00 AM
Jan 2017

Doesn't fema have everything and everyone they need except orders?

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
4. Maybe. But Obama's approach -- getting in early with a large response,
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 08:07 AM
Jan 2017

even if it turns out not to all be needed -- won't be followed by lean and mean DT.

Response to pnwmom (Original post)

brer cat

(24,560 posts)
13. That makes it ok to ignore suffering?
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 09:13 AM
Jan 2017

btw Albany (Dougherty County) one of the hardest hit areas is black and blue, probably a poor choice of descriptors since they've been hit twice this month by tornadoes.

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
24. And you are right, of course it doesn't.
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 10:39 AM
Jan 2017

That's not who I am, but I'm losing my grip.
Nearly 2000 dead because of Katrina incompetence, and it'll get worse. I'm physically and financially doing all I can, but sometimes i open my mouth and stupid stuff falls out.
I'm deleting the comment..it's awful.

brer cat

(24,560 posts)
25. I do understand.
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 06:53 PM
Jan 2017

I think a lot of us are losing our grip. We have never had to deal with anything as horrible as this administration, and it is increasing our anxiety as well as anger.

Take care of yourself.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
9. Not when significant deaths have occurred and bodies need to be dug up
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 08:33 AM
Jan 2017

out of rubble.

Do you think Katrina could have waited for a month?

Obama in May 2013 declared a Disaster 2 days after tornadoes first struck, and 2 days after that had 400 FEMA people on the ground.

DT still hasn't declared a disaster in any of the states. The Georgia governor has also been dragging his heels. Neither has been doing an adequate job.

How can you justify DT finding time to meet with people like Kanye West and NOT spending the time to nominate a new head of FEMA?

In the last couple of days you've made multiple posts defending DT. Your concern has been noted.

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
15. I have not made a single such post
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 09:27 AM
Jan 2017

And I marched on Thursday and Saturday, did you?

Marching gives me insight into rioting.

I would have marched last night, but had theatre tickets.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8527788

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
16. You said that the Women's March wasn't anti-Trump,
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 09:43 AM
Jan 2017

so I'm not sure what the significance of your marching was.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
18. Aide must have been rendered immediately however
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 09:46 AM
Jan 2017

there is likely some bureaucratic process to declare the disaster.

Also you have done tornadoes only. That they have caused enough damage to be declared disasters could take a while to determine.



treestar

(82,383 posts)
23. Hurricanes take a lot less
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 10:31 AM
Jan 2017

They are immediate and often before the end of the hurricane.

But surely aide would have started by now under Obama.

mgardener

(1,816 posts)
7. But he's talked about sending troops to Chicago
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 08:19 AM
Jan 2017

Where they have not been requested.
Talk about states rights.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
10. Oh Where's Heckuva Job Brownie when you need him?
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 09:03 AM
Jan 2017

Hard to find just the right kind of lazy grifters for the job. But I have confidence that Trump's team will find them.

Vinca

(50,269 posts)
14. I'm afraid those poor people voted for incompetency.
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 09:16 AM
Jan 2017

If Trump doesn't kill you one way, he'll do it another.

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