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Bear Creek

(883 posts)
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 07:33 PM Jan 2017

The Wall

http://www.npr.org/programs/all-things-considered/
On All things considered, Ari Shapiro interviews Mike Vigil a DEA agent with 30 yr experience. Ari asks him about the wall trump wants to build to help stop drugs. Mr. Vigil said it was nonsense. How could medieval technology work with todays tech? He then says ultra light with a lawn mower engines could deliver right over the wall.
This made me think about a news report I heard long time ago about a tunnel network that had been built. Makes me think that money would be better put to use else where. Wait until the trumpers find out they are going to be footing to bill for it.
I can remember the republicans crowing about tearing down the Berlin wall just to build it here?
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The Wall (Original Post) Bear Creek Jan 2017 OP
question i asked my wife an hour ago.... Takket Jan 2017 #1
Build a 10 ft wall, someone will bring an 11 ft ladder. louis-t Jan 2017 #3
or just going through it.... someone could just cut a whole in the mdidle of nowhere unseen Takket Jan 2017 #5
That mish-mash of barriers... Cracklin Charlie Jan 2017 #28
LOL Bear Creek Jan 2017 #4
The MSM really needs to compare Trump's avebury Jan 2017 #2
Doors Bear Creek Jan 2017 #6
If there are going to be doors True Dough Jan 2017 #30
Great wall of china Bear Creek Jan 2017 #10
Ask the Chinese about the Great Wall, Ask the French Blue Idaho Jan 2017 #7
Nope, they don't. Initech Jan 2017 #22
You are so right! nt. Blue Idaho Jan 2017 #23
"...to help stop drugs." Iggo Jan 2017 #8
People Bear Creek Jan 2017 #11
Of course it won't work. Iggo Jan 2017 #12
Oh No Bear Creek Jan 2017 #13
More drugs come across the Mexican/American border than anywhere else. Mosby Jan 2017 #27
I have seen Marijuana cigarettes getting pushed through grantcart Jan 2017 #9
There using a bill from 2006 when both parties voted for it yeoman6987 Jan 2017 #14
There you again yeoman6987, blaming Democratss for things Trump does. Kingofalldems Jan 2017 #18
What about Canada? Are we going to allow those evil Northerners to just panader0 Jan 2017 #15
Asked that Bear Creek Jan 2017 #19
So when do the Trump sons open their new ladder company? Vinca Jan 2017 #16
WTF does he need the wall for? Who would even want to come to US now? LisaL Jan 2017 #17
Maybe Bear Creek Jan 2017 #20
"Adam Ruins Everything" did a show recently about immigration... Buns_of_Fire Jan 2017 #21
I've seen this clip and it's very good underpants Jan 2017 #24
Wish the Mainstream Media Reported Like This erpowers Jan 2017 #25
There is 650 miles of wall already. Mosby Jan 2017 #29
Wall Bear Creek Jan 2017 #33
We've already discovered how many tunnels? onecaliberal Jan 2017 #26
I'm a little confused... Why build a wall? Thomthom5300 Jan 2017 #31
Agree Bear Creek Jan 2017 #32
15 to 20 million going out vs money coming in... no brainer Thomthom5300 Jan 2017 #34

Takket

(21,425 posts)
1. question i asked my wife an hour ago....
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 07:35 PM
Jan 2017

How does the wall stop someone from tunneling underneath it?

or laddering over it?

louis-t

(23,199 posts)
3. Build a 10 ft wall, someone will bring an 11 ft ladder.
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 07:40 PM
Jan 2017

Every photo I've seen of the current mish mash of barriers shows someone climbing over, tunneling under or simply walking around a wall.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
28. That mish-mash of barriers...
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:08 AM
Jan 2017

Will cost the taxpayers 50 quillion dollars by the time it's operational(ha!).

Wonder whose pocket that will end up in?

avebury

(10,946 posts)
2. The MSM really needs to compare Trump's
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 07:39 PM
Jan 2017

wall with the Berlin Wall. Where is Check Point Charlie going to be?

Bear Creek

(883 posts)
6. Doors
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 07:44 PM
Jan 2017

Trump said there was going to be doors but I like check point charlie. Maybe someone could make a spoof with the bridge of spies with the Trump wall.

Bear Creek

(883 posts)
10. Great wall of china
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 07:49 PM
Jan 2017

Great Wall was built in the 14th through 17th centuries A.D., during the Ming dynasty (1368-1644). Though the Great Wall never effectively prevented invaders from entering China, it came to function more as a psychological barrier between Chinese civilization and the world, and remains a powerful symbol of the country’s enduring strength.

Blue Idaho

(4,988 posts)
7. Ask the Chinese about the Great Wall, Ask the French
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 07:44 PM
Jan 2017

About the Maginot Line, ask the East Germans about the Berlin Wall...

Walls don't work.

Initech

(99,915 posts)
22. Nope, they don't.
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 09:10 PM
Jan 2017

And if I recall from history, didn't conservatives champion Reagan for telling Gorbachev "Tear down this wall!!!!". Now they're like "Mr Trump, build this wall!". Hypocrites, the whole damn lot of them!!!

Iggo

(47,489 posts)
12. Of course it won't work.
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 07:56 PM
Jan 2017

But you don't see them clamoring for a wall on the US/Canadian border.

Because the wall along the Mexican border is intended to keep out not just people, but brown people.

Bear Creek

(883 posts)
13. Oh No
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 08:02 PM
Jan 2017

They are already here! I thought this type of crap would be over. For college I had to write a paper and doing the research found out that they did not want Arizonia and New Mexico to be states because "people who are brown can not rule themselves" it is in the congressional record. Cuba expected to become a state after the Spainish American War. Just think how things would have turned out by just doing the right thing the first time.

Mosby

(16,168 posts)
27. More drugs come across the Mexican/American border than anywhere else.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:06 AM
Jan 2017

Cocaine, Methamphetamine and Heroin.

Mexico is the top "exporter" and the number one source of the drugs I mentioned.

There is already 650 miles of wall, it just does not work very well.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
9. I have seen Marijuana cigarettes getting pushed through
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 07:47 PM
Jan 2017

cracks in the wall 10 feet from the port.

The freeze on hiring Federal Employees will quickly decimate the Border Patrol. Last year they cut overtime formula for the BP and some stations are experiencing significant turn over. BP agents ended up $10k less than before and thought that DT was going to make them whole.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
14. There using a bill from 2006 when both parties voted for it
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 08:02 PM
Jan 2017

You'd think that we would have revoked the bill in 2009. I sure wish we did.

Kingofalldems

(38,361 posts)
18. There you again yeoman6987, blaming Democratss for things Trump does.
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 08:15 PM
Jan 2017

I notice your first sentence is what you want to say. The second sentence seems to be for cover.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
15. What about Canada? Are we going to allow those evil Northerners to just
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 08:13 PM
Jan 2017

walk across? The idea of the wall is so stupid as to not be believable.
What about a wall around our airports where many foreigners arrive
every day? Don't forget our seacoasts....

Bear Creek

(883 posts)
19. Asked that
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 08:20 PM
Jan 2017

They dont care about white illegals. Also Canada is the one cheating us on the NAFTA and not Mexico. I heard on a news program that Mexico is looking to Europe for trade deals first instead of the USA. There are ways that this is the equvalent of shooting your own foot then sticking it in your mouth. This is going to back fire.

underpants

(182,279 posts)
24. I've seen this clip and it's very good
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 11:18 PM
Jan 2017

I've been meaning to catch his show. It does strike as a bit of Alton Brown's schtick on The Food Channel but I'm okay with that.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
25. Wish the Mainstream Media Reported Like This
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:40 AM
Jan 2017

Much of the best information on why it would be senseless for Donald Trump to build a wall on the border between Mexico and the United States has come from the YouTube. I first saw a report by A+J that listed a number of problems that would arise from trying to build a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border. This video presented more helpful information.

The mainstream media never seems to deal with the how and why of building the wall. They tend to just go to the border and interview a few people. Some will say they would be happy for the wall to be built. Others will say a wall should not be built. I do not think I have seen a story on the mainstream media that lists the difficulties that would be faced in building the wall.

Bear Creek

(883 posts)
33. Wall
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 12:25 AM
Jan 2017

Is useless. The money would be better used on something else. Ask china how the wall kept out the Huns. Mexico is not the drug problem. And if the USA does not have good relationship with them the problem will be worse. Not sure that law enforcement is not the problem. Lots of dark money envolved. We might depend more on them than the other way around. Most of the food is from there and the workers from there pick it here.

onecaliberal

(32,489 posts)
26. We've already discovered how many tunnels?
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:50 AM
Jan 2017

Where there is a will, there is a way. That wall isn't going to stop anyone.

 

Thomthom5300

(16 posts)
31. I'm a little confused... Why build a wall?
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 08:35 PM
Jan 2017

Isn't their a law that says undocumented workers can NOT work? Start going after companies that employ people that are not permitted to work and the problem goes away. Big fines should do it.

Bear Creek

(883 posts)
32. Agree
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 12:14 AM
Jan 2017

But irrational thinking is guiding them. Make the companies hurt who hire them. But wait they claim to be victims. Maybe hiring undocumented workers with substandard work practices and pay should be considered human trafficking.

 

Thomthom5300

(16 posts)
34. 15 to 20 million going out vs money coming in... no brainer
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 12:02 PM
Jan 2017

besides who is he gong to get to build a wall or put up a fence... his son? undocumented workers... I guess they can camp in Mexico...

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