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Wed Jan 25, 2017, 06:33 PM

The Wall

http://www.npr.org/programs/all-things-considered/
On All things considered, Ari Shapiro interviews Mike Vigil a DEA agent with 30 yr experience. Ari asks him about the wall trump wants to build to help stop drugs. Mr. Vigil said it was nonsense. How could medieval technology work with todays tech? He then says ultra light with a lawn mower engines could deliver right over the wall.
This made me think about a news report I heard long time ago about a tunnel network that had been built. Makes me think that money would be better put to use else where. Wait until the trumpers find out they are going to be footing to bill for it.
I can remember the republicans crowing about tearing down the Berlin wall just to build it here?

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Reply The Wall (Original post)
Bear Creek Jan 2017 OP
Takket Jan 2017 #1
louis-t Jan 2017 #3
Takket Jan 2017 #5
Cracklin Charlie Jan 2017 #28
Bear Creek Jan 2017 #4
avebury Jan 2017 #2
Bear Creek Jan 2017 #6
True Dough Jan 2017 #30
Bear Creek Jan 2017 #10
Blue Idaho Jan 2017 #7
Initech Jan 2017 #22
Blue Idaho Jan 2017 #23
Iggo Jan 2017 #8
Bear Creek Jan 2017 #11
Iggo Jan 2017 #12
Bear Creek Jan 2017 #13
Mosby Jan 2017 #27
grantcart Jan 2017 #9
yeoman6987 Jan 2017 #14
Kingofalldems Jan 2017 #18
panader0 Jan 2017 #15
Bear Creek Jan 2017 #19
Vinca Jan 2017 #16
LisaL Jan 2017 #17
Bear Creek Jan 2017 #20
Buns_of_Fire Jan 2017 #21
underpants Jan 2017 #24
erpowers Jan 2017 #25
Mosby Jan 2017 #29
Bear Creek Jan 2017 #33
onecaliberal Jan 2017 #26
Thomthom5300 Jan 2017 #31
Bear Creek Jan 2017 #32
Thomthom5300 Jan 2017 #34

Response to Bear Creek (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2017, 06:35 PM

1. question i asked my wife an hour ago....

How does the wall stop someone from tunneling underneath it?

or laddering over it?

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Response to Takket (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 25, 2017, 06:40 PM

3. Build a 10 ft wall, someone will bring an 11 ft ladder.

Every photo I've seen of the current mish mash of barriers shows someone climbing over, tunneling under or simply walking around a wall.

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Response to louis-t (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 25, 2017, 06:44 PM

5. or just going through it.... someone could just cut a whole in the mdidle of nowhere unseen

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Response to louis-t (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:08 AM

28. That mish-mash of barriers...

Will cost the taxpayers 50 quillion dollars by the time it's operational(ha!).

Wonder whose pocket that will end up in?

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Response to Takket (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 25, 2017, 06:40 PM

4. LOL

But what a disaster. The wall might just be to keep us in.

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Response to Bear Creek (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2017, 06:39 PM

2. The MSM really needs to compare Trump's

wall with the Berlin Wall. Where is Check Point Charlie going to be?

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Response to avebury (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 25, 2017, 06:44 PM

6. Doors

Trump said there was going to be doors but I like check point charlie. Maybe someone could make a spoof with the bridge of spies with the Trump wall.

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Response to Bear Creek (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 02:23 AM

30. If there are going to be doors

then Drumpf can be the doorknob.

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Response to avebury (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 25, 2017, 06:49 PM

10. Great wall of china


Great Wall was built in the 14th through 17th centuries A.D., during the Ming dynasty (1368-1644). Though the Great Wall never effectively prevented invaders from entering China, it came to function more as a psychological barrier between Chinese civilization and the world, and remains a powerful symbol of the country’s enduring strength.

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Response to Bear Creek (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2017, 06:44 PM

7. Ask the Chinese about the Great Wall, Ask the French

About the Maginot Line, ask the East Germans about the Berlin Wall...

Walls don't work.

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Response to Blue Idaho (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 25, 2017, 08:10 PM

22. Nope, they don't.

And if I recall from history, didn't conservatives champion Reagan for telling Gorbachev "Tear down this wall!!!!". Now they're like "Mr Trump, build this wall!". Hypocrites, the whole damn lot of them!!!

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Response to Initech (Reply #22)

Wed Jan 25, 2017, 08:53 PM

23. You are so right! nt.

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Response to Bear Creek (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2017, 06:46 PM

8. "...to help stop drugs."

I thought that was cute.

It's to stop brown people.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 25, 2017, 06:52 PM

11. People

Can go over, under and around it. Wont work. But logic is missing.

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Response to Bear Creek (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 25, 2017, 06:56 PM

12. Of course it won't work.

But you don't see them clamoring for a wall on the US/Canadian border.

Because the wall along the Mexican border is intended to keep out not just people, but brown people.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 25, 2017, 07:02 PM

13. Oh No

They are already here! I thought this type of crap would be over. For college I had to write a paper and doing the research found out that they did not want Arizonia and New Mexico to be states because "people who are brown can not rule themselves" it is in the congressional record. Cuba expected to become a state after the Spainish American War. Just think how things would have turned out by just doing the right thing the first time.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:06 AM

27. More drugs come across the Mexican/American border than anywhere else.

Cocaine, Methamphetamine and Heroin.

Mexico is the top "exporter" and the number one source of the drugs I mentioned.

There is already 650 miles of wall, it just does not work very well.

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Response to Bear Creek (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2017, 06:47 PM

9. I have seen Marijuana cigarettes getting pushed through

cracks in the wall 10 feet from the port.

The freeze on hiring Federal Employees will quickly decimate the Border Patrol. Last year they cut overtime formula for the BP and some stations are experiencing significant turn over. BP agents ended up $10k less than before and thought that DT was going to make them whole.

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Response to Bear Creek (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2017, 07:02 PM

14. There using a bill from 2006 when both parties voted for it

 

You'd think that we would have revoked the bill in 2009. I sure wish we did.

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 25, 2017, 07:15 PM

18. There you again yeoman6987, blaming Democratss for things Trump does.

I notice your first sentence is what you want to say. The second sentence seems to be for cover.

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Response to Bear Creek (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2017, 07:13 PM

15. What about Canada? Are we going to allow those evil Northerners to just

walk across? The idea of the wall is so stupid as to not be believable.
What about a wall around our airports where many foreigners arrive
every day? Don't forget our seacoasts....

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Response to panader0 (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 25, 2017, 07:20 PM

19. Asked that

They dont care about white illegals. Also Canada is the one cheating us on the NAFTA and not Mexico. I heard on a news program that Mexico is looking to Europe for trade deals first instead of the USA. There are ways that this is the equvalent of shooting your own foot then sticking it in your mouth. This is going to back fire.

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Response to Bear Creek (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2017, 07:15 PM

16. So when do the Trump sons open their new ladder company?

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Response to Bear Creek (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2017, 07:15 PM

17. WTF does he need the wall for? Who would even want to come to US now?

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Response to LisaL (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 25, 2017, 07:22 PM

20. Maybe

So we cant escape.

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Response to Bear Creek (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2017, 07:32 PM

21. "Adam Ruins Everything" did a show recently about immigration...

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Response to Buns_of_Fire (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 25, 2017, 10:18 PM

24. I've seen this clip and it's very good

I've been meaning to catch his show. It does strike as a bit of Alton Brown's schtick on The Food Channel but I'm okay with that.

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Response to Buns_of_Fire (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 25, 2017, 11:40 PM

25. Wish the Mainstream Media Reported Like This

Much of the best information on why it would be senseless for Donald Trump to build a wall on the border between Mexico and the United States has come from the YouTube. I first saw a report by A+J that listed a number of problems that would arise from trying to build a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border. This video presented more helpful information.

The mainstream media never seems to deal with the how and why of building the wall. They tend to just go to the border and interview a few people. Some will say they would be happy for the wall to be built. Others will say a wall should not be built. I do not think I have seen a story on the mainstream media that lists the difficulties that would be faced in building the wall.

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Response to erpowers (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:09 AM

29. There is 650 miles of wall already.

and yet cocaine, Meth and heroin keep pouring across.

Let's not pretend there isn't a problem.

http://www.voanews.com/a/wall-already-runs-along-parts-united-states-mexico-border/3428323.html

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Response to Mosby (Reply #29)

Fri Jan 27, 2017, 11:25 PM

33. Wall

Is useless. The money would be better used on something else. Ask china how the wall kept out the Huns. Mexico is not the drug problem. And if the USA does not have good relationship with them the problem will be worse. Not sure that law enforcement is not the problem. Lots of dark money envolved. We might depend more on them than the other way around. Most of the food is from there and the workers from there pick it here.

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Response to Bear Creek (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2017, 11:50 PM

26. We've already discovered how many tunnels?

Where there is a will, there is a way. That wall isn't going to stop anyone.

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Response to Bear Creek (Original post)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 07:35 PM

31. I'm a little confused... Why build a wall?

 

Isn't their a law that says undocumented workers can NOT work? Start going after companies that employ people that are not permitted to work and the problem goes away. Big fines should do it.

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Response to Thomthom5300 (Reply #31)

Fri Jan 27, 2017, 11:14 PM

32. Agree

But irrational thinking is guiding them. Make the companies hurt who hire them. But wait they claim to be victims. Maybe hiring undocumented workers with substandard work practices and pay should be considered human trafficking.

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Response to Bear Creek (Reply #32)

Sat Jan 28, 2017, 11:02 AM

34. 15 to 20 million going out vs money coming in... no brainer

 

besides who is he gong to get to build a wall or put up a fence... his son? undocumented workers... I guess they can camp in Mexico...

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